cbhathco Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Long time lurker, first time poster. Had to come out of the woodwork to add a few current organ groups. I really dig this music. -Eric Scone (in Miami) leads Scone Cash Players -The White Blinds, led by drummer Michael Duffy (L.A./Miami) -The City Champs, out of Memphis. Their first two albums totally slay. -Tim Carmon Trio, whose new album King Comfy is extremely good. Great tunes, perfectly recorded. -The New Mastersonds (four piece). Their guitar player, Eddie Roberts, is the P.T. Barnum of current soul jazz music. -Ibrahim Electric (from Denmark, their live album is totally bonkers) All of these groups have multiple albums out there in the ether and are actively out there writing and gigging this music. What impresses me is that this is a genre/tradition that is alive. It's not just a bin of old records. Also, that video of Wil Blades linked above comes from a live album he did with Charlie Hunter (on normal-human guitar) and George Sluppick (of City Champs fame) called Just Play the Blues. An excellent showcase of his talent. And don't sleep on Amendola vs. Blades, his duo with drummer Scott Amendola. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 23 minutes ago, cbhathco said: -The New Mastersonds (four piece). Their guitar player, Eddie Roberts, is the P.T. Barnum of current soul jazz music. I saw them almost 20 years ago on my stag do [bachelor party] and they were about 5 years old already. I was drunk enough not to enjoy the show, and sober enough to remember it. Cheers, Mike. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Zeger Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 Though James Francies isn’t exclusively playing organ, he does here with Pat Metheny’s Side Eye trio. I’ve also see Francies with Chris Potter. Excited to hear what he’ll do next. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omvibes Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 I would urge people to check out anything that Kit Downes (Troyka, Deadeye, and a host of other things) does, the guy is an absolute genius. Talking of genius, 'Organ Freeman' is a fantastic name for an organ-led group, wish I'd thought of it 🙂 Here's my contribution, an organ trio with a slight difference - organ, drums and…vibraphone. Saw them play in Budapest a while ago, was very nice indeed. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adan Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 To state the obvious, genre and instrumentation are different things that often overlap. A fiddle, dobro, banjo group is probably playing old time country, but nowhere is it written that they have to. In a similar way, when I think of "organ trio" I think soul jazz, pop tunes goosed up in the way that sort of comes naturally when played on the B3; Richard Groove Holmes playing Misty or Charles Earland I Love you More Today than Yesterday. A lot of stuff in this thread is super interesting, but it isn't that. But the thread is titled "Organ trios," so it's supposed to be about the featured instrument, not the genre. Speaking for myself, I love the Soul Jazz version of the organ trio. It's a timeless sound I'll listen to forever. Quote Gigging: Crumar Mojo 61, Hammond SKPro Home: Vintage Vibe 64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SamuelBLupowitz Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 6:47 PM, Adan said: To state the obvious, genre and instrumentation are different things that often overlap. A fiddle, dobro, banjo group is probably playing old time country, but nowhere is it written that they have to. I remember watching the documentary about Chris Thile's first tour with the band that would become Punch Brothers -- which, for those who don't know, has the instrumentation of and old time string band (mandolin, acoustic guitar, violin, banjo, upright bass), but is equal parts classical, jazz, art song, and alt-rock; it's "progressive acoustic" music. There is a moment in the film where the documentarian catches Thile on a frustrated phone call with his management, about how they can't bill the group as "hot bluegrass" or any other such things, especially when they play Bluegrass festivals, because they're coming out and playing a multi-sectioned, through-composed suite about his divorce when people are expecting stomp-and-clap fiddle tunes, and it was alienating the audience. I really felt that. I too love an old-school approach where a group of musicians decide "this is the thing that we do." But I also have a special love for groups that use a traditional instrumentation to try new things. I'm really enjoying the breadth of styles evident in the groups shared here -- soul, jazz, rock, avant-garde, anything you can imagine, all with organ, drums, and some other combination of guitar, bass, or horn. Keep it coming, y'all! 3 Quote Samuel B. Lupowitz Musician. Songwriter. Food Enthusiast. Bad Pun Aficionado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To B3 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 I like the Koch-Marshall trio for a more rockn roll aproach of the format: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUC0gao4-Xs And some trios from my homeland of Brazil are very good too. Hammond Grooves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZcMQnQkFeE Du Rompa Hammond Trio: And Hammatrio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUZOhemHrjk 1 1 Quote My drawbars go to eleven. Gear: Roland VR-09, Nord Electro 2 61, Korg CX-3. Hear my music: facebook.com/smokestoneband Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossRhodes Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 11:12 AM, cbhathco said: Long time lurker, first time poster. Had to come out of the woodwork to add a few current organ groups. I really dig this music. -Eric Scone (in Miami) leads Scone Cash Players -The White Blinds, led by drummer Michael Duffy (L.A./Miami) -The City Champs, out of Memphis. Their first two albums totally slay. -Tim Carmon Trio, whose new album King Comfy is extremely good. Great tunes, perfectly recorded. -The New Mastersonds (four piece). Their guitar player, Eddie Roberts, is the P.T. Barnum of current soul jazz music. -Ibrahim Electric (from Denmark, their live album is totally bonkers) All of these groups have multiple albums out there in the ether and are actively out there writing and gigging this music. What impresses me is that this is a genre/tradition that is alive. It's not just a bin of old records. Also, that video of Wil Blades linked above comes from a live album he did with Charlie Hunter (on normal-human guitar) and George Sluppick (of City Champs fame) called Just Play the Blues. An excellent showcase of his talent. And don't sleep on Amendola vs. Blades, his duo with drummer Scott Amendola. I am really enjoying these guys, thanks for the recommendation! 3 1 Quote Jazz is the teacher, Funk is the preacher! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docbop Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 Well it was an organ trio that a buddy from school talked me into going to hear that converted me to a Jazz fan, it was the Jimmy Smith Trio with Phil Upchurch on guitar. If I listen to a organ trio today it would be the Larry Golding trio with Peter Bernstein on guitar and Bill Stewart on drums. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJUSCULE Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Some great names so far, there really is a healthy scene out there these days. A great player I learned about here years ago who probably doesn't get enough attention is Red Young. At the time, this band (Black Red Black) put a record out that I bought on Bandcamp and quite enjoyed. Interestingly, the record is no longer available and I see almost no mention of it online anywhere. Regardless, Red is still active with several groups, I believe. Another nice trio in a blues setting (w/ traditional LHB vs Lachy having an electric bass player) is Matt Schofield with Jonny Henderson on B3. And of course, as has been said, we have a wealth of resources and excellent players here on the board. Jim, Mitch, Brian, Bobby, Todd, etc etc etc. I quite enjoyed this clip JoJoB3 posted recently. Has some nice ARP textures as well, and Will Bernard is always a bonus too. 1 1 Quote Eric Website Gear page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chummy Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 I've been silently following this thread, discovered some great gems, keep 'em coming folks ! 2 Quote Catch me on YouTube for 200 IQ piano covers, musical trivia quizzes, tutorials, reviews and other fun stuff... https://www.youtube.com/p1anoyc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider76 Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 4:26 PM, Matthiola said: Organ/guitar/drums trio is easily my favorite line-up. This is something I never really understood. How come that the "standard" organ trio came to be Hammond+drums+guitar? To me the guitar seems totally redundant next to an organ that can easily do the same parts plus much more. Wouldn't a bass or a lead instrument (sax, trumpet etc) make more sense? Ps is it possible that nobody mentioned the Cory Henry trio yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill bosco Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 56 minutes ago, Spider76 said: This is something I never really understood. How come that the "standard" organ trio came to be Hammond+drums+guitar? To me the guitar seems totally redundant next to an organ that can easily do the same parts plus much more. Wouldn't a bass or a lead instrument (sax, trumpet etc) make more sense? Ps is it possible that nobody mentioned the Cory Henry trio yet? the combination makes a lot of sense when the organist is blowing lead with his right hand while his left hand is playing the bass . a guitar keeps up the chords of the tune . and besides , they just compliment each other so well . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 IMO, organ-based music has always appealed to a niche listening audience. Same goes for KBs in general. Thankfully, there are still musicians who've chosen to make organ their primary voice. Kudos to those who've stuck with it and found an appreciative audience too. As mentioned above, the traditional organ/drum/guitar trio works well in maintaining a full sounds when the organist is playjng bass and blowing leads. I'm not an organist but I'm a proponent of KB-led bands using a similar approach. The technology available to KB players nowadays makes it easier. Long live KB-based music and bands in one format or another.😎 Quote PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
re Pete Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 On 11/18/2023 at 10:06 PM, retrokeys said: These Hammonds sound great. A 58 and 66 says the credits at end. For me, hearing Don Patterson in Philly at Gert's lounge drew me in with the full organ sound from outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill bosco Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 On 11/28/2023 at 6:17 AM, Spider76 said: This is something I never really understood. How come that the "standard" organ trio came to be Hammond+drums+guitar? To me the guitar seems totally redundant next to an organ that can easily do the same parts plus much more. Wouldn't a bass or a lead instrument (sax, trumpet etc) make more sense? Ps is it possible that nobody mentioned the Cory Henry trio yet? i think that was just for one gig , but awesome tasty stuff for sure , is that a word ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamuelBLupowitz Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 On 11/28/2023 at 6:17 AM, Spider76 said: This is something I never really understood. How come that the "standard" organ trio came to be Hammond+drums+guitar? To me the guitar seems totally redundant next to an organ that can easily do the same parts plus much more. Wouldn't a bass or a lead instrument (sax, trumpet etc) make more sense? For me as a player -- and mind you, I am not the virtuoso that some who work in this format are -- I am much more comfortable being able to trade off both the lead/melody/solo role and the rhythm/comping role, especially when I'm covering the bass as well. I've certainly heard organ trios with a sax instead of a guitar, and then there are groups like Medeski Martin and Wood that have a bass player, and the keyboards cover the great majority of the harmonic and melodic content. I think having a second instrument that can cover lines as well as chords just allows for more flexibility. I know when I play in my singer-songwriter trio (piano/bass/drums), being the primary soloist and chordal instrument is an extra challenge -- a bass or drum solo requires a bigger change to the texture than just throwing it over to a horn or guitar. Plus, that lineup has the advantage of having the additional focal point of a lead singer, as well as vocal harmonies to vary the texture and thicken things up harmonically. Jazz piano trios are common, of course, and in that instrumentation, piano, bass, and drums is much more familiar. I suspect that the more percussive nature of the piano, as well as its more static tone and less round, full low end relative to the organ, led to this. Total conjecture, but the predominance of organ/drums/guitar may also have something to do with the amplified nature of the Hammond, that another amplified instrument has an easier time keeping up. I'm thinking about the early days of the jazz organ trio, Jimmy Smith and such, and the kind of clubs they would play. I suspect it was long before every venue had a built-in PA system, so a guitarist bringing an amp was all set, whereas a horn player might find themself in a situation where they had to compete with a drum set and a Leslie speaker without any reinforcement. They didn't make those fold-up travel PAs back then! I know jazz drummers were much more accustomed to playing at a level that would allow horns and acoustic piano to carry, but tube Leslies do tend to sing a little more once they hit a certain volume, so I'd be interested in thoughts from folks better acquainted with the history. 3 Quote Samuel B. Lupowitz Musician. Songwriter. Food Enthusiast. Bad Pun Aficionado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider76 Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Great explanation, thanks so much! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthiola Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Also, organ and guitar just blend so well sonically, pure tonal bliss. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthiola Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 5 hours ago, SamuelBLupowitz said: I am much more comfortable being able to trade off both the lead/melody/solo role and the rhythm/comping role, especially when I'm covering the bass as well This is the real strength of the OGD line-up from a players perspective, imho. With a bassist you would have two comping roles simultaneously and be careful what harmonics you play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doerfler Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 analogika (Chris Haertel) is a regular contributer on this forum 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niacin Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Quote Gig keys: Hammond SKpro, Korg Vox Continental, Crumar Mojo 61, Crumar Mojo Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niacin Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 If you're ever in Melbourne, Jake Mason is the man: 1 Quote Gig keys: Hammond SKpro, Korg Vox Continental, Crumar Mojo 61, Crumar Mojo Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niacin Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Carlo de Wijs 'modular' Hammond: Quote Gig keys: Hammond SKpro, Korg Vox Continental, Crumar Mojo 61, Crumar Mojo Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightbg Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/28/2023 at 6:17 AM, Spider76 said: This is something I never really understood. How come that the "standard" organ trio came to be Hammond+drums+guitar? To me the guitar seems totally redundant next to an organ that can easily do the same parts plus much more. Wouldn't a bass or a lead instrument (sax, trumpet etc) make more sense? Ps is it possible that nobody mentioned the Cory Henry trio yet? New York City has a “cabaret” law that limited live musicians to trios (not to mention restrictions on dancing). This was partly due to a club fire which killed many due to inadequate exits. The big bands were gone, but cats like Wild Bill Davis capitalized on it and partially created the organ trio, and his band was Floyd Smith on guitar, Chris Columbo on drums, and himself originally on a Hammond C2, then later the -3 models. This was before Jimmy Smith started playing organ. 2 1 Quote 1967 B-3 w/(2) 122's, Nord C1w/Leslie 2101 top, Nord PedalKeys 27, Nord Electro 4D, IK B3X, QSC K12.2, Yamaha reface YC+CS+CP "It needs a Hammond" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MAJUSCULE Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 21 hours ago, Matthiola said: Taking me back to the Joshua Redman Elastic Band with Sam Yahel. Listened to those records a lot in high school. 1 Quote Eric Website Gear page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthiola Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 Yes, that first Joshua Redman Elastic Band album is a desert island album. Highly recommended. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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