The Real MC Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 The two best outboard Leslie simulators are the Dynacord CLS-222 and the Neo Ventilator. I own both. Interesting note: both are products from Germany. Very difficult sound effect to replicate, but they figured it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 also possibly of note... arguably, they figured it out if you can devote $500+ of dedicated electronics to getting the one effect. 😉 Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesB3 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 Are there $500 of electronics in the box? Quote Yamaha CP73; 145 gig Leslie; Nord Electro 61; Oberheim OB3^2; Wurlitzer 200A; Ampeg Gemini I amp; Speakeasy Leslie preamp; QSC K-10 (dearly departed, now serving the Lord in Bryant AR: '58 B3, Bob Schleicher 50C Leslie) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timwat Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 Are there $1400 worth of electronics in an iPhone? The concept of form utility suggests the answer is yes...as long as you don't have to purchase the parts and DIY it yourself. If the Vent or Dynacord allows you to not load your Leslie into your van, risk getting it scarred, schlep it out onto a cart and wheel it onto stage, then find out it's not loud enough to compete with the guitar player's half stack without mic'ing it, then carting it off stage, back into the van, and back into your home studio, I suppose that'll be worth $500 for many. Ain't the parts in the box, it's the function of the box versus alternatives. 9 Quote .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 HX3 looks like its origins are in DE as well. What this says to me is at least a few folks across the pond in the “land of poets and thinkers” are deeply interested in Hammond + Leslie. They either can’t get their hands on them easily or hate to carry them. Maybe both! Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pa Gherkin Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 As always, timwat nails it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzpiano88 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 16 minutes ago, timwat said: Are there $1400 worth of electronics in an iPhone? The concept of form utility suggests the answer is yes...as long as you don't have to purchase the parts and DIY it yourself. If the Vent or Dynacord allows you to not load your Leslie into your van, risk getting it scarred, schlep it out onto a cart and wheel it onto stage, then find out it's not loud enough to compete with the guitar player's half stack without mic'ing it, then carting it off stage, back into the van, and back into your home studio, I suppose that'll be worth $500 for many. Ain't the parts in the box, it's the function of the box versus alternatives. Exactly. Differentiation drives pricing ability. They'll raise the price to improve their gross margin irrespective of the rpc. The best products are highly differentiated by R&D and IP, and if they have a low raw parts cost, it's the best of all worlds. Quote J a z z P i a n o 8 8 -- Yamaha C7D Montage M8x | CP300 | CP4 | SK1-73 | OB6 | Seven K8.2 | 3300 | CPSv.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Quinn Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 German engineering is awesome! Doesn’t matter if it’s a car, a dishwasher, or a Leslie simulator. Quote https://alquinn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delaware Dave Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 I think the Italians also figured it out with the Burn and the Viscount Leslie sim. 2 Quote 57 Hammond B3; 69 Hammond L100P; 68 Leslie 122; Kurzweil Forte7 & PC3; M-Audio Code 61; Voce V5+; Neo Vent; EV ELX112P; GSI Gemini & Burn Delaware Dave Exit93band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzpiano88 Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 37 minutes ago, Al Quinn said: German engineering is awesome! Doesn’t matter if it’s a car, a dishwasher, or a Leslie simulator. Not to mention secret drug kingpin superlabs 😆 1 Quote J a z z P i a n o 8 8 -- Yamaha C7D Montage M8x | CP300 | CP4 | SK1-73 | OB6 | Seven K8.2 | 3300 | CPSv.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Gauss Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 Yo! Queens NY representing... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 2 hours ago, BluesB3 said: Are there $500 of electronics in the box? Well, at retail price, yes. Or it could be, as jazzpiano88 suggested, what the market will bear. But for whatever reason, it's not like anyone else has been able to make something as good for less. Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldwin Funster Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 Both NEOs Founder and another well regarded leslie sim maker , of the GSI Burn are named Guido. Eh? Rib rib. See where I'm going with this? Actually nowhere. Sometimes things that have 2 things in common is not a correlation. 1 Quote FunMachine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenheeter Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 Both Guidos are brilliant!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Tatum Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Guido is an Italian name, not a German one. Maybe we should be giving Italy equal, if not greater, props? I mean, it is, after all, arguably, the cradle of Western civilization. Italy, Germany, Great Britain, the triumvirate of Western Civilization. Honourable mentions: Greece, France, Israel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 19 minutes ago, Floyd Tatum said: Guido is an Italian name, not a German one. Maybe we should be giving Italy equal, if not greater, props? I mean, it is, after all, arguably, the cradle of Western civilization. Italy, Germany, Great Britain, the triumvirate of Western Civilization. Honourable mentions: Greece, France, Israel. Guido for sure gets plenty of attention here, not to worry. He plays, loves vintage instruments and gear, is a software developer and he has his stuff running on Win, Mac, custom DSP, iOS an Android. Not to mention the keyboard controllers. That’s a lot of work and continuing education! Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floyd Tatum Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Yeah I know about Guido Kirsch. Is that the same guy that was here on Keyboard Corner when he was developing his first virtual instrument? If I remember correctly, it was, a Rhodes emulator? Or was that some other guy. I was one of the first beta testers of that virtual rhodes, if it's the same Guido. I think I misunderstood the post about two Guidos - I thought it was saying that Dynacord was also run by somebody named Guido. Oops - my bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldwin Funster Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 4 hours ago, Floyd Tatum said: ...two Guidos... So many jokes come to mind. But I don't dare. Maybe if I was Italian. Quote FunMachine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergievsky Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 16 hours ago, The Real MC said: The two best outboard Leslie simulators are the Dynacord CLS-222 and the Neo Ventilator. I own both. …. Since I never really looked for a standalone Leslie sim, I only now just heard of these. The Ventilator looks very cool, especially the vrs2. I might be tempted to pick one up in a couple months if my need for a Hammond gets serious. Thanks for the tip. And yeah, the Germans really know their shit…kinda like the Japanese…damn Axis out to conquer the world again. Quote Raul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamuelBLupowitz Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 18 hours ago, JazzPiano88 said: Not to mention secret drug kingpin superlabs 😆 Neo Instruments, Dynacord Electrical Engineering, and Los Pollos Hermanos: all divisions of Madrigal Electromotive GmbH. 😉 2 1 Quote Samuel B. Lupowitz Musician. Songwriter. Food Enthusiast. Bad Pun Aficionado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 I’m still quietly waiting in hopes of a rack mount version of the Ventilator. I too used a Dynacord CLS-222 back in the day, on the road for over a decade. I still remember the excitement of getting mine new from Chuck Levin’s Music, when $695 was a relatively sizable investment in specialty music gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldwin Funster Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 2 hours ago, eric said: I’m still quietly waiting in hopes of a rack mount version of the Ventilator. I too used a Dynacord CLS-222 back in the day, on the road for over a decade. I still remember the excitement of getting mine new from Chuck Levin’s Music, when $695 was a relatively sizable investment in specialty music gear. That's probably something you'll have to have a tech do for you. Buy some dead rack unit and gut it. Hopefully it will already have enough holes for pots and jacks. In fact it will probably have more than you need. If you do the prep work like figure out what pot to put where, you can save some bucks because then the tech can concentrate on running wires to the relocated pots and jacks. Otherwise I'd say not happening. Less and less people are even using their vents because on-board sims are getting "good enough" to save the setup time of another box. And rack effects are pretty unpopular amongst the general effects buying population. 1 Quote FunMachine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill bosco Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 22 hours ago, Floyd Tatum said: Guido is an Italian name, not a German one. Maybe we should be giving Italy equal, if not greater, props? I mean, it is, after all, arguably, the cradle of Western civilization. Italy, Germany, Great Britain, the triumvirate of Western Civilization. Honourable mentions: Greece, France, Israel. and don't forget Massimo Ghirardi , owner and creator of the MAG organ made in Czechoslovakia . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzpiano88 Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 1 hour ago, bill bosco said: and don't forget Massimo Ghirardi , owner and creator of the MAG organ made in Czechoslovakia . Not to mention those other famous guys from Czechoslovakia: Quote J a z z P i a n o 8 8 -- Yamaha C7D Montage M8x | CP300 | CP4 | SK1-73 | OB6 | Seven K8.2 | 3300 | CPSv.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldwin Funster Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 1 hour ago, JazzPiano88 said: Not to mention those other famous guys from Czechoslovakia: Don't look at their bulges.... Quote FunMachine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSSIEKEYS Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 18 hours ago, JazzPiano88 said: Not to mention those other famous guys from Czechoslovakia: And not to mention Menslaughter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doerfler Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 22 hours ago, bill bosco said: and don't forget Massimo Ghirardi , owner and creator of the MAG organ made in Czechoslovakia . Czech Republic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 9 hours ago, Doerfler said: Czech Republic Correct! Although of course many prefer "Czechia". Cheers, Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bill bosco Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 On 7/17/2023 at 11:55 PM, JazzPiano88 said: Not to mention those other famous guys from Czechoslovakia: didn't mean to open up a bunch of Czech jokes , my point was , Massimo Guiardi is an expat , another Italian organ maker , and a good one at that , among the best 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzpiano88 Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 1 hour ago, bill bosco said: didn't mean to open up a bunch of Czech jokes , my point was , Massimo Guiardi is an expat , another Italian organ maker , and a good one at that , among the best Oh no problem at all. I was first exposed in the 70s as a teenager collecting stamps and have fond associative memories. All of the SSR stamps of the day made them look like a sporting utopia to a kid. Now it's fun to use the first syllable as a homonym for "Check", as in "Czech this out:" Quote J a z z P i a n o 8 8 -- Yamaha C7D Montage M8x | CP300 | CP4 | SK1-73 | OB6 | Seven K8.2 | 3300 | CPSv.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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