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Hah Im glad the corporates are uneasy. Sorry here comes one of my long rambles but i saw a kernel of a tool of AI affect me back in the 90s. I quit being a Graphic designer/artist back in the 90s as computers were making too big a splash into my realm of hands on artwork. Desktop publishing was fucking up the specialness of an artist. Now any secretary could whip together a logo, a business card or a letterhead using the bosses computer. Sure maybe not so artsy back then but perfectly serviceable. But it was the equivalent of a tool used in todays AI in that they were using "clip art" which to me is what AI does take Clip art/information from the world. The "secretaries/associates" can now create anything for the boss not just bussiess paraphernalia. Sure I could keep on doing handson art for bands but we all know that bands are not made of money. It was my favourite art and Id never need to go computer on it but I needed to supplement band artwork by doing corporate work and I could see the writing was on the wall for that. So I quit because I was hands on but also if i wanted to continue doing corporate work Id have to invest up to 10 grand AUD (probably about 12 to 15grand USD) back then to get into full on computer graphics beyond just desktop publishing. I wasnt interested in computers either. Handson still had high overheads in bromide paper, its chemicals (with a shelf life once opened of days) and maintaining a huge reproduction camera (stands nearly 4 foot high) plus other art gear. Another high cost was for photo typesetting when it replaced lettraset. Although computers could replace this, in those early days they were not a match for phototyesetting. So just doing band work wasnt going to survive me with those high overheads. Also I was having some of my art work stolen which really cut me to the quik so that was the final straw and i stopped doing professional Art since then. So todays corporates realise that AI's clipart is not totally legit as it could be clipped from anywhere. It reminds me of when my so called trusted Printer who used to print all my clients business needs had an example of a business card he printed for another client on his wall. He clipped art from me. He copied a card I had him print for my client and he simply changed the details to reflect his clients name and address and the logo was just an exact bromided copy with an orange sun added to try and negate copywrite. A little local Printer takes a chance because not much can happen to him but bigger corporates realise that AI will probably be a copywrite minefield Which could break them In litigation. Ps: what did i do about the printer. As a regular there I stopped using him and I rang the guy who got the printer to make the cards for him. After explaining that he has no rights to using my artwork he never picked up his printed stuff from the printer nor payed for it. Not much but something. But corporate companies have so much more to worry about than a local town printer. So endeth the second reading.

Everytime i read someone mentioning AI all my feeble little mind registers is "You can call me Al" Perhaps not a bad listen to cheer up our hurtle towards the end of the world as we know it.

Thanks mate for your thoughts and mini review on it. Its weight had my attention from its announcement. Its here in Oz apparently as my friend told me tonight he's seen they're already dropping the price. He suggested heres my chance. Maybe but for the fact of no midi dins, no proper outs etc its less interesting. Ive just started pulling out my keys after years of storage and i have a plethora of space "taker upperers" so any additions need to be carefully assessed. This friday im taking my Numa Cocal 2x to duo practise for its first run at how it'd feel at a practise or gig. It may be just too powerful and good to want a Lliano Im going to try and see if i can try out one of the Llianos at a shop if i can find one (shops are hard to find near me let a lone stocking Casio). Im just a sucker for physically lightweight keyboards that feel ok to play Need to see if it in the flesh.

Cant resist this offer to make the title more interesting. ...Ohhh thats an easy one by just switching around the words Yamaha Triple Pedals becomes Yamaha Pedals Tribbles Helps if you're a Trekkie. The trouble with Tribbles is they dont sell well so it would take a lot of pedalling on Yamaha's part

Ahh i see its upgraded internally rather than buying expansion boards (i didnt know that) and had switched over to card slot Yes i can see at the time it must have been happily embraced although why then they never made a 76 noter amazes me

Yes the dreaded XP80 red goo or glue fiasco. No good in Australia's temperatures where you simply freak thinking about leaving any gear in your car during in the daytime heat. I got both mine with that goo problem maybe 15 years ago with intention of remedying them. Aussie hot Sydney weather probably affected the glue to form the runny goo. Of coarse midi allowed me to play them without its keyboard but life got in the way of degooing them and i had the XP50 that was working but it was put in storage 9 years ago but having just pulled it out of storage Ive found no sound at all. I figure caps need doing. So i should have my XP80s out of 9 year storage soon and hoping one at least may be responsive. Now in my new house Im hoping to have a dedicated synth workshop to restore some of my board hoard. Or should i not worry and just reduce hoard hee hee probably So tell me these XP30s what did they have that bettered the XP50 that made them get such a good rep that the XP50 didnt get.

I still have 2 XP80s and an XP50 luckily we dont have pennies in Australia anymore. I never visited an XP30 and didn't they come out way after the other XPs. I could never understand the Eurphoria for them that Ive read over the years as I guess i figured they were a very cut down XP50 without a sequencer. Obviously I was wrong. Like to hear more as to how good they were

Thanks mate i will follow this thread with great interest. Always love your findings. The Liano has always interested me since its premature announcement due purely to its low physical weight.

I thought jazzpano88 was giving a reasonable alternative scenario considering he wouldnt know how well zipped the roadbag was. My first thought was same. Possibly caused by a hint of food particles/juices on the keys the rat gnored on. Not saying this happened but its a possibility. Reason i thought the same was that i stored my modernish sportscar in a garage with classic Cars and parts. Always kept this car closed and it was air tight in the passenger area but there was a period when the battery died that i left the electric window open and roof down to be able to open the car mechanically as it had a retractable solid roof in that short period I found the knob on the wiper stalk had been gnored in a very similar manner. The rest of the car untouched. I figured the rat 🐀 had smelt the remnants/particles of a kebab i had devoured previously on the knob on the wiper stalk. Perhaps kebab juices were left behind in my car after a kebab shop extravaganza. Lesson: Beware leaving out your knob on a stalk overnight But the only reason i knew there was a rat in that garage as I never saw any was the rat left behind teeth marks similar to what we see here. It only took one night to happen. But being Aussie maybe it was a Bilby not a rat This probably didnt happen as i think you mentioned you always wipe the keys down and its happened on a few of your boards but i have seen gnore marks similar to those marks and I think it was a fair call for someone to make. I've been so curious what you figure out as it is a strange one. Hope you figure it out for your future keyboards

Yes we are the arse end of the world thats why many strange things occur here. We are the Southern Hemisphere's version of Bizaro world.

Ive often wondered about doing something similar. What is this 6 inch cube you speak of?

Far out I never seen anything like that. Are we are looking at the key actually physically gouged or acid gouged to a fairly deep depth I have 2 alesis synths one a QS6.1 i used a year ago and has nothing like that. The other an early Quadrasynth plus and although i havent seen it in years it never had anything like that. Its coming out of storage very soon ill have a look. I dont think its an alesis trait

Ahhh finally a use for all those excess Robot Groupies they seemed to have invented for the "lonely ones"

Eventually with the millions of users as they are suggesting, you are going to end up with a lot of people sueing each other over the fact user B's AI music device seems to have copied user A's AI music device and well be back to where we started. Copywrite infringement. With millions of users using AI to design a song the chance of there being similar songs is high i reckon. The way people get sued now for some seemingly vague likeness is going to give the lawyers more money than to the AI inventers. The world is fcked and "frankly my dear, I dont give a damn"

Yes agree. Thats roughly the 1200 aussie price i mentioned. All the software exists in precedding models so no expensive software 4 (or more) actual zones not splits. if you want simple splits the zoning handles that. Plenty of sound options from preceeding models. That quality is as good as it gets already for a stage piano. Its all been paid for Mid dins and proper line outs not headphone outs of some pianos. Wheels above keys to keep it portable. Really they could do this so cheaply using past software only needing new tooling for case. But im guessing a gigging muso is only a drop in the bucket sales wise so they waste money on bells and whistles for the DAW market that a gig keyboard really doesnt need assuming the player just wants a gig keyboard music manufacturers used to be proud of their gigging insruments and cater to the gigger. Now the shareholders have the say on what should be marketed. Theres not a big maket now in gigging players. Not enough to pay the shares.

Isnt this a Tesla way of upgrading or adding functionabilty? Would you like to buy the simulated disk brake option. Or the simulated power steering option? Its in the "cloud" Note: im not having a go at Tesla just getting a handle on the marketing used here

Yes i think all hammer type action will be deep as per my old casio and this. I think the modern casio is slim top but still thickish underneath. i liked a Roland action on one of their budget pianos a few years ago. I find them crisp in a good way. So i understand the depth. Looks like Niacin has found some of its differences that make the RD88 better for live gigging and a better buy at aussie prices Are they going to delete the RD88 for this. But if so why?

Its good to hear you're still liking the RD88. So that gives good credence to the platform as I know you are well versed on various keyboards. As you say maybe there's something we are missing. I guess we wont know till we hear some owner reviews as the marketing is blurb. And perhaps I'm not the target market as i want a simple zoned stage piano for live work. Like the old days. Not interested in its computer related abilities. Hey i was dismayed when i bought the first M Audio 88 note controller. It was feature rich and cheap an actual real bargain in Aussie back then but it was really the beginning of DAW controllers and wasnt that suited to live work. I soon got rid of it as it wasnt for me. Thats when i went away from controllers and to digital pianos instead I guess I'm of another era. Hee hee Hey Delta ive actually just started fooling with a tablet for chart storage like I mentioned to you. I may become a "thoroughly modern Millie" yet Ok you've convinced me to not feel "against" the new RD08 hee hee

That makes no sense at all. You could knock more than that off an instore purchase of the RD88 unless Roland has created a "dont do this order" ROLAND just give us a simple stage piano for a reasonable price instead of this weird marketing tomfoolery

Hoping they may have went tor a lightweight board but at 13.5kg its not as "weight friendly" as many of its competitors. Shame as they kept it slim but Smoke and mirrors. To me around 11.5kg is max id want to schlep. If anyone can build one less than that or a 73 / 76 note version under 10kg id consder to replace my current PX330 The cloud leaves me cold ever since they introduced it so thats a negative for me. That aside at 1700 Aussie dollars its not the budget keyboard they are trying to make out even though i generally like the feel of Roland pianos (not having tried this) so it doesnt even twitch the "bargain buy" nerve At least it has one midi din so that was welcomed that many competitors are leaving off. At 1700bucks I dont see this as a low cost stage piano in Aussie. Maybe a keyboard that came in around 1200 aussie bux fits that criteria but generally none of the competitors here are under 1500 bux. Its just the way the aussie market is kept artificially high. Roland could build a budet stage considering their pianos are better priced lets face it their software is payed for by now. 4 zones, decent sounds, midi dins. Lightweight under 11.5 kg and forget this clown stuff ohh i mean cloud stuff Was hoping they had hit a low price I'm finding new stuff here just isnt value for money leaving me considering only used stuff as Im looking for a weighted lightweight board that might replace my PX330. Maybe? To me in used the PX5s maybe the ticket although its new price is up there with the roland maybe 200 bux less. But at least they are out there used. Fortunately i have my semi weighted 88 sorted but was maybe hoping for an affordable lightweight hammer action 88 this roland isnt it.

Hah... yes "hate the cloud" Is this Rolands keyboard version of real world cloud "seeding" Give them what they think they want to ultimately control the world. Well the keyboard world anyway. Roland "NO CLOUD FOR YOU!"

Following thanks max

Exactly. I'm presently doing that for my new duo. Infact i was up last night charting a bunch of songs for a rehearsal today. I learn / remember more by charting a song than simply playing it. I sit at piano with song playing starting stopping it till i have charted every bar in "wrote". Including vocals where needed. Im A4 size intially Then i try to reduce its size down to that cut in half essentially A5 in portrait on my computer to print out. Next project is to convert all these paper charts to viewing on a tablet in A5 portrait. Just reading about tablets and e ink tablets last night. Another learning curve.

Thanks Jose. Will look into that when workshop is setup. I just did a quick battery change on the new music room floor incase that was a lucky fix. Hopefully I'll have room for a few keyboards to be open so i may do the XP80s at the same time when my workshop is ready as there is enough bench space Ill keep you notified down the track It may be a while yet

Hey Jose thanks for this thread. I just returned from a 12 hour drive with my old XP50 which had been stored at my brothers place for 9 years after almost leaving it behind when we moved interstate. Luckily he took it home for me. In those years the battery died and upon startup the display is low contrast and no sound emanates from the phones or outputs. I replaced the battery and did a reset so now its normal other than the no sound. i hear mostly XP50s usually have a very faint sound or crackling when caps go. Mine is totally silent. Its in almost new cosmetic condition which brings me to a wish to get it going again although i have 2 XP80s in storage with the red goo problem. But after 9 years storage these may also now need caping My question is before i look at capping can you think of other reason for zero sound not even crackling