ewall08530 Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 This video has 17 years of dust on it but we did have a sax and had it fairly tight. I’ve never had the pleasure of doing this tune with a horn section…. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 12 hours ago, timwat said: An interesting cover That's how cover tunes should be played...own it.😎 Quote PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe P Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 3 hours ago, ewall08530 said: This video has 17 years of dust on it but we did have a sax and had it fairly tight. I’ve never had the pleasure of doing this tune with a horn section…. Tracy knocking it out of the park as usual! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJUSCULE Posted May 19, 2023 Share Posted May 19, 2023 I'd just be worried about playing a fake brass sound with a real horn player if it's not a tight, rehearsed thing. As said, so much of the sound of TOP is the tightness and punchiness of the brass. Playing a different sound, like B3, can help smooth over the rough edges. 1 Quote Eric Website Gear page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ Cornish Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 On 5/19/2023 at 12:16 AM, timwat said: An interesting cover: Love the sound; I think I would at least have plugged in the keyboard for the music video. I kept looking for a USB cable from the Nord Lead and then I caught a glimpse of the empty mains socket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammondDave Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 On 5/18/2023 at 10:16 PM, timwat said: An interesting cover: That was so cool I really enjoyed it. Great playing all around. In regards to one of the commenters saying that they would not be sued if they called the song something else, well, I argue that point. These parts are taken directly from the original. Also, not taking anything away from her excellent musicianship, I am surprised that the organ player did not open that split point during her solo, for being such an excellent player… why would she do that? Finally, I can’t believe that people think that Nord creates a good Hammond sound. No Hammond sounds that thin and artificial. Quote '55 and '59 B3's; Leslies 147, 122, 21H; MODX 7+; NUMA Piano X 88; Motif XS7; Mellotrons M300 and M400’s; Wurlitzer 206; Gibson G101; Vox Continental; Mojo 61; Launchkey 88 Mk III; Korg Module; B3X; Model D6; Moog Model D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
o0Ampy0o Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 4 hours ago, HammondDave said: That was so cool I really enjoyed it. Great playing all around. In regards to one of the commenters saying that they would not be sued if they called the song something else, well, I argue that point. These parts are taken directly from the original. Also, not taking anything away from her excellent musicianship, I am surprised that the organ player did not open that split point during her solo, for being such an excellent player… why would she do that? Finally, I can’t believe that people think that Nord creates a good Hammond sound. No Hammond sounds that thin and artificial. It might be interesting academically but a stretch legally. Had this not been labeled a cover of What Is Hip? few people would notice enough similarity to connect the two unless they were making some other point like saying both songs include drummers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MathOfInsects Posted May 20, 2023 Share Posted May 20, 2023 I actually think the complication isn't the lack of the horn section, but the presence of the trumpet player. I've got a couple of musical suggestions, but my very first suggestion would be to reach out to the bandleader and see what he or she prefers that you do. Ultimately we're just employees hired to do a job. I'd want to find out what that job is--e.g., is this a project that prefers that things sound like the recordings? Or is this potentially going to be a J-Pop version of that tune anyway? Then (or alternatively), I would ask the trumpet player the same question. "What do you need or want from me on that tune?" Then and only then, I'd plan the attack, for which my first impulse was to say "organ playing horn parts" but when I took myself into the moment of the gig/song, I actually found myself thinking more along the lines of a Prince/Minneapolis pad playing under the trumpet instead. It's horn-ly but not a synthesizer playing horns, and organ- and pad-ly but not the organ player ignoring that it's really horns. It feels intentional and funky without pointing out everything it's not. 1 Quote Now out! "Mind the Gap," a 24-song album of new material. www.joshweinstein.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Fortner Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 As far as samples, modeling, and divisi programming have come, I still never try to fake a horn section in the sense of making it sound like acoustic instruments. And I had this exact issue in a cover band that had one trumpet and one tenor sax. We were also doing tunes like "You Got To Funkifize" and "Getaway" by EWF. I prefer unapologetic sawtooth synth brass and/or Hammond with all drawbars out. I don't go for too much amplitude or filter envelope on the attack phase because at a live gig that's going to get lost and make things sound wheezy. You just want to fill up the spectrum with those bright harmonics and slap people in the face audio-wise. 2 1 Quote Stephen Fortner Principal, Fortner Media Former Editor in Chief, Keyboard Magazine Digital Piano Consultant, Piano Buyer Magazine Industry affiliations: Antares, Arturia, Giles Communications, MS Media, Polyverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjosko Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 On 5/20/2023 at 6:37 PM, HammondDave said: Finally, I can’t believe that people think that Nord creates a good Hammond sound. No Hammond sounds that thin and artificial. Remember as the poster told this is a 17 year old video. Which other brands made a good clone back then ? When listening to my old Nord C1 today (released in 2007) , even with a Vent, I have to say both Nord and the competitors have come a long way. Quote /Bjørn - old gearjunkie, still with lot of GAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Lobo Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 8 hours ago, Stephen Fortner said: fill up the spectrum with those bright harmonics and slap people in the face audio-wise. I liked that way of putting it. Quote These are only my opinions, not supported by any actual knowledge, experience, or expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Lobo Posted May 21, 2023 Share Posted May 21, 2023 2 hours ago, bjosko said: Remember as the poster told this is a 17 year old video. Which other brands made a good clone back then ? When listening to my old Nord C1 today (released in 2007) , even with a Vent, I have to say both Nord and the competitors have come a long way. I gig with my Nord 5D. Rehearsing with my other band (I'm only on horn) a keyboard player came by to sit in. I set up my old Electro2 for him to play. I was amazed at how bad the sounds were in that board. I thought it sounded pathetic and I was embarrassed that this very good player was playing it. When I first had it and gigged with it, I thought it was the coolest sounding thing on the planet. Times, technology, taste, and sounds change. Quote These are only my opinions, not supported by any actual knowledge, experience, or expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To B3 Posted May 22, 2023 Share Posted May 22, 2023 Gov´t Mule´s version is a great example of that song without horns: Gov´t MUle What Is Hip 1 Quote My drawbars go to eleven. Gear: Roland VR-09, Nord Electro 2 61, Korg CX-3. Hear my music: facebook.com/smokestoneband Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obxa Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 On 5/21/2023 at 7:19 AM, Stephen Fortner said: "unapologetic sawtooth synth brass" I'm stealing this as a new patch name!! I call many of mine "brass-tooth", and most of my (Nord) organ patches have synthbrass as a layered option volume controlled by Mod Wheel. Quote Chris Corso www.chriscorso.org Lots of stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niacin Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 47 minutes ago, obxa said: I'm stealing this as a new patch name!! I call many of mine "brass-tooth", and most of my (Nord) organ patches have synthbrass as a layered option volume controlled by Mod Wheel. I’d go with “Faceslap Brass” 😎 Quote Gig keys: Hammond SKpro, Korg Vox Continental, Crumar Mojo 61, Crumar Mojo Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 2 hours ago, obxa said: most of my (Nord) organ patches have synthbrass as a layered option volume controlled by Mod Wheel. Try modulating the filter cutoff a little with the wheel (or expression pedal) to emulate swells - surprisingly effective if you can nail the technique. Cheers, Mike. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Verelst Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 The all female "cover" is somewhat attractive, but generally sucks. There's a need for a funky sound, 70s style preferably, which isn't perfect but "lives" in certain sound elements and rhythmic and chord accuracy that's to me a great sound, also approached live by T.O.P., so not just studio production, as I witnessed myself. The whole design of the song with the instruments is hip. Going loud only isn't going to cut it. When I played this song live, with some horns, I noticed my far from copy-of-the-original keyboard parts (analog or digital brass, RD300 piano) could pretty much make or break the flow of yhe song and even the desire of some audiences to dance a bit or not... T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adan Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 My only contribution to this discussion is to say this might be a case where I'd push back on the BL whether to play the song. I think it would depend on how much I've played with this lineup and the rhythm section in particular, and opportunities to rehearse. What is your confidence level going to be going in? I see moderate upside and potentially bigger downside if it doesn't come off. Because it's the Bay Area, most people will know the song and will hold you to a higher standard. But I also know nothing about the gig. Maybe its a function gig and the band is not the focus of attention, in which case you've got more leeway. FWIW, I think of WIH as less of a dance song, more stand in one place and bob your head. That uber-busy bassline just doesn't make my feet want to move. Quote Gigging: Crumar Mojo 61, Hammond SKPro Home: Vintage Vibe 64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Theo Verelst said: There's a need for a funky sound, 70s style preferably, which isn't perfect but "lives" in certain sound elements and rhythmic and chord accuracy that's to me a great sound... By design, the song is already a 50 year old funk tune. Everything required is already in there. The best a non-funk musician can do is play the *right* beat and notes. Whether or not folks dance to the tune really depends on the audience.😎 Quote PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewall08530 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 On 5/21/2023 at 12:55 PM, bjosko said: Remember as the poster told this is a 17 year old video. Which other brands made a good clone back then ? When listening to my old Nord C1 today (released in 2007) , even with a Vent, I have to say both Nord and the competitors have come a long way. I loved having that Nord Electro rack attached with Velcro sitting on the panel of my Roland RD 300SX (later 300GX). It was my 1 keyboard solution before I bought a Stage 2. The organ sound was lacking but a couple years later when I put the original Neo Ventilator on it the muffled sound came off the Nord Organ and it made a world of difference. I still have that Vent and use it on the Stage 2 76. Still love it. ❤️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyRude Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 21 hours ago, To B3 said: Gov´t Mule´s version is a great example of that song without horns: Gov´t MUle What Is Hip BINGO Quote Some music I've recorded and played over the years with a few different bands Tommy Rude Soundcloud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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