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PHA-4 Standard Keyboard: with Escapement and Ivory Feel
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The weight is right. Wheels on top for compactness. But external PSU - common in this weight bracket.

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I was waiting for when they will release a new affordable RD after the pricey 800 and the even priceyer 2000. This might be just the thing for our church band. I still find the EPs lifeless though.

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I'm hope they'll be a better demo of this.


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Who demos a stage piano with clear shots of him using mainstage? I also noted it has what looks like speaker grills.


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It DOES look good. Not a big fan of Roland APianos (sound-wise, but I do like the Roland actions)but it might be a good casual (restaurant and other low profile) gig board IF the price is right ($999) or less.

$1199 street and 29 lbs? Hmmm....

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The Roland website shows the MainStage integration as intentional and by design. Also, wasn't there just a thread here praising the PHA-4 action?

Speakers are 6W each, and look tiny by the photos. Not sure how useful they'll be for anything but personal practice.

I like the more compact form factor and the lighter weight. I wonder how customizable the SN pianos are.


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Okay good for a controller, but what are you hearing in the video? There are 3 posibilites, a virtual instrument, the piano processed by a plugin or just the instrument.
I'm commenting on the demo, I'm sure it is a fine board. But you don't really know by that video.

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I applaud efforts to put quality sounds and weighted action in more portable streamlined packages, but wish they would go "all the way" and make it a 76er without speakers. The dream lives on. I can see why the PHA4 action might lead someone choose this over the sub-30 lb competition.


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PHA-4 Concert Keyboard: with Escapement and Ebony/Ivory Feel is on the RD-800.
I prefer it to the PHA-50 Keyboard: Wood and Plastic Hybrid Structure, with Escapement and Ebony/Ivory Feel (88 keys) on the RD-2000.

I think Roland is all in on their V-Piano modeling. I believe they use it across the digital piano line now. - home models and the flagship stage piano.

This RD-88 is an interesting development as a controller - perhaps for some more so than the A-88 they just released.


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Originally Posted by Adan
I applaud efforts to put quality sounds and weighted action in more portable streamlined packages, but wish they would go "all the way" and make it a 76er without speakers. The dream lives on. I can see why the PHA4 action might lead someone choose this over the sub-30 lb competition.


Even though it’s 400 more than the Casio px3000, I’d take this over the Casio any day
Better keyboard
Better interface
Better controller
only downside is 8lbs heavier, but I’ll take heavier weight for better features

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Originally Posted by jimkost2002
Originally Posted by Adan
I applaud efforts to put quality sounds and weighted action in more portable streamlined packages, but wish they would go "all the way" and make it a 76er without speakers. The dream lives on. I can see why the PHA4 action might lead someone choose this over the sub-30 lb competition.


Even though it’s 400 more than the Casio px3000, I’d take this over the Casio any day
Better keyboard
Better interface
Better controller
only downside is 8lbs heavier, but I’ll take heavier weight for better features


I’m interested in this one, too. I like the Bluetooth connectivity, plus what appears to be lighter action. SuperNatural tweaking to both AP and EP. Not a lot of photos yet, nothing on Sweetwater (and they usually are right on it), no user manual yet.

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Street Price $1,199.99 - this is a problem for some competitors for sure.

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I'm glad to see a real button interface, a move away from either scrolling or using the piano keys as controls, as has gotten so common on the lightweight slabs. And 5-pin MIDI. (But only Out?)


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MIDI OUT only is weird.
But 3 parts is better than 2.


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Originally Posted by drawback

nothing on Sweetwater (and they usually are right on it)



There you go wink
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/RD88--roland-rd-88-88-key-stage-piano


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[quote=marczellm]MIDI OUT only is weird.
But 3 parts is better than 2.[/quote

My RD-64 also has MIDI out only, also. Hopefully the RD-88 will allow you to use an expression pedal for onboard sounds, something you can't do on the RD-64. But overall, an updated, 88 key version of the RD-64 appeals to me because I really like my 64, I just seem to connect with it- and definitely have NEVER been a Roland fanboy. Have thought about asking here which Roland 88 is most like the RD-64.

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uninformative video but loving the concept.
roland are listening - wheels above the keys!


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Huh! Maybe a worthy eventual successor to my FP-4.

Also, sorry, but... not only are the wheels above the keys, but they're *wheels*. How often do they stray from the paddle?


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I dig it, at the price point it’s gonna be hard to say no to. I prefer 88’s without the paddle, just a few inches less makes all the difference loading it into the car.

Now, about the friggin’ wall wart...

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A successor to RD300nx in something close to the FP30 shell.

Pretty sure this is the first “RD” with built in speakers.

I honestly think they should have gone with an internal power supply though, since RD is the pro line. Sure, it would add a few lbs (and a few £) but I could have lived with that.

I just have no interest in having to carry external power supplies. I know it doesn’t bother some people but it’s a dealbreaker for me.


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Originally Posted by GuiliClayder
Originally Posted by drawback

nothing on Sweetwater (and they usually are right on it)



There you go wink
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/RD88--roland-rd-88-88-key-stage-piano


Thankya, thankya vurreemuch. I wonder how much actual SuperNatural editing is possible? I was able to tweak out many inherent Roland AP cheese, and EP artifacts, even with the RD700. The RD64 had no sound shaping capabilities.


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Originally Posted by The Piano Man
I honestly think they should have gone with an internal power supply though, since RD is the pro line. Sure, it would add a few lbs (and a few £) but I could have lived with that.

I just have no interest in having to carry external power supplies. I know it doesn’t bother some people but it’s a dealbreaker for me.

Seems they could have swapped the internal speakers (anyone here really need/want those?) for an internal power supply. But I get that the external power supply makes it easier to bring to market.

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OK, I was looking for an RD-800 but maybe this will work well enough and give me what I am looking for, but I agree, that video is really not very helpful (to put it mildly)


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Originally Posted by drawback

Rush entry to NAMM?


Would explain the video for sure, seems like it was maybe shot in the last day or two for some quick pre-NAMM facetime.


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Apparently will be possible to load sounds from other Zen Core keyboards like Fantom and Jupiter X

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Originally Posted by Jinkings
Apparently will be possible to load sounds from other Zen Core keyboards like Fantom and Jupiter X

^^^This

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Originally Posted by Adan

..., but wish they would go "all the way" and make it a 76er without speakers. [


Precisely 76er A-C w/ oct. up/down buttons & momentary ft.-sw. control !

Originally Posted by Adan

The dream lives on.


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Yes, the Zen Core announcement just made this board a whole lot more interesting.


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Precisely the form factor, features, and capabilities Korg and Yamaha should go after.

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To me, this board and concept looks like one of those leaps forward. I hate to say “game changer,” but there are many key design decisions factored in here that other manufacturers have been missing (or have included some, but not all) - and prime reasons I had decided to pursue the controller/software route. I may decide to be a “hardware guy” again. Let’s see what this weekend brings!


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I see the three zones are quite limited (two upper, one lower with a single split point). Disappointing in a board costing over £1000. That’s why I’ve always liked Kurzweil as they typically let you set whatever key ranges you want for each zone.

Still, a nice light and compact keyboard with decent action. I’m sure it will be popular with some.


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I would probably go for a used RD-800 instead, just from a midi standpoint. I guess you won’t be able to have one sound assigned to a different midi channel for an upper board? No midi in anyways and that would be a dealbreaker for me. Everything else I’d really nice though.


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I do sound overly negative ^^^

I really like the compact dimensions and decent action. I would love to see a board with those dimensions but with greater functionality. Maybe I’m asking for something that isn’t possible. I do note the Kurzweil PC4 is only 13kg but somewhat bulky.


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About this RH4 keybed : is it as good as or better than the Ivory Feel G keyboard in the Juno DS88/FA-08 ?
Escapement, triple sensor ?


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It’s supposed to be better, their successor even.
The same as in FP-10, FP-30 and FP-60.
And yes. Escapement, triple sensor.

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Yeah, it definitely feels like a step up. I thought it played really well. I’m just a little concerned about the height, it could be a little too tall for two-tier duty.

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Very informative and very compelling.
I’m interested.
Fairly light - plenty of built in sounds, zen core offers adding what you need.
MainStage Integration includes visual feedback on the Rd-88’s display and premapped sound switching with the patch buttons.
Built in audio midi interface mixes sounds from MacBook and RD.
Internal speakers for switch on and practice might be good enough for intimate settings.


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Originally Posted by Mighty Motif Max
I would probably go for a used RD-800 instead

Too heavy.

In terms of current boards with speakers, I think the closest competitor is Casio PX-560.


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Originally Posted by AnotherScott
Originally Posted by Mighty Motif Max
I would probably go for a used RD-800 instead

Too heavy.

In terms of current boards with speakers, I think the closest competitor is Casio PX-560.


I’ve been using the 560 for duet (with sax, violin, flute, etc.) and solo stuff.
The speakers are actually quite loud.
You might want some lower end by adding a small PA speaker.


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It's great that Roland have been listening. This product goes a long way to addressing the issues musicians with weighted boards come up against. And in most ways it is successful. Built in speakers comes over as a more consumer feature to have on a home keyboard. I guess they're thinking of the guy in his 20s who gets back from his gig and unpacks his stage piano to practice at home.
Great dimensions though, and much easier to carry and move around. I hope it has the build quality of the RD700, which I still use in the studio and is built like a tank. Swapping out the inbuilt PSU though in favour of a wall wart is a mistake in my opinion. It's an extra thing to remember, and the cables on wall warts I find are never roadworthy, creating a weak link where there doesn't need to be one. Also, it's a small detail, but if you look on the photos, you'll see there is barely enough space around the knobs to make adjustments.

Overall, though, I think it will do very well.


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But how would it differ from the similarly priced (and specced) Roland FP-60?
Is it the roadworthiness?

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I’m not fully clear on the zen core thing. In theory it means you can play any sounds from the likes of the new fantom series on an rd88 right? But the sacrifice is that the rd88 has more limited facility for tweaking?But canyou just download the sounds directly into the rd88 and play or does one have to be connected online or via the cloud? If you can download directly I wonder how much you can load into an rd88 before it’s full up. Seems like a good system if that’s the case.


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Originally Posted by Fleer
But how would it differ from the similarly priced (and specced) Roland FP-60?
Is it the roadworthiness?


Real time controls and a more mechanical feeling action.

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One of the only keyboards I was actually able to "hear" yesterday. Really poor phones aside, I felt it was a strong addition to their DP lineup and should be popular. Of course I couldn't tell anything about the speaker volume/quality And their concept of what a DP sounds like still isn't my thing.

The best portable/semi-portable DP sound I heard and player connection I experienced yesterday remained from last year- the Yamaha P-515. Luckily it was positioned behind a wall and somewhat shielded form the main room onslaught - which seemed worse then last year...if that's even possible ! Despite the bad phones as well, I was able to at least make out a little something.

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I'm really excited by these features and this weight at this price point, though every current (and older, really) stage piano is sort of driving home for me that what I really want is a Yamaha CP88, just $1000 cheaper. roll


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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
I’ve been using the 560 for duet (with sax, violin, flute, etc.) and solo stuff.

560 is a great board. Each has some significant features the other does not. Roland has much better MIDI controller functionality, and when it comes to splits/layers, you can put independent insert effects on three parts (vs. only one part being able to have its own effects on the Casio), and it includes VA synth capability (PX-560 lacks even a monophonic synth mode). Casio advantages include more split/layer parts (4, which can even be extended to 24 with hexlayers, whereas Roland is 3), full on-board sound editing (it looks like the only deep editing on the Roland might be to own another zen-core board that has editing), and built-in sequencer. If you want a versatile lightweight weighted 88 with speakers and lots of sounds, I think these are the two to look at. I'll be curious to see comparisons in their sounds and actions.

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But how would it differ from the similarly priced (and specced) Roland FP-60?

For one thing, it's under 30 lbs instead of over 40.


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Originally Posted by Dockeys
I’m not fully clear on the zen core thing. In theory it means you can play any sounds from the likes of the new fantom series on an rd88 right?

I think it has to be specifically sounds from the zen-core engine, so not V-piano. Though the part of the press release about "ZEN-Core Expansions" is not entirely clear.

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If you can download directly I wonder how much you can load into an rd88 before it’s full up.

I'm guessing that the stock sample set (and VA tone generation) is the same inside the boards, so the resources to create the sounds are already there... then I guess the limit would be the number of empty user preset locations.


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But still ... external power brick ?

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I'll admit, I never thought I'd see the day when Roland released a DP that wasn't 6 inches longer than it needed to be to accommodate a 2-inch-wide joystick that should have been placed above the keys anyway. For that reason alone, this board doesn't automatically land on my "no way I'd even consider it" list like every other RD board for the last 20 years has. Good on them for listening.

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Originally Posted by Dave Ferris

... I felt it was a strong addition to their DP lineup and should be popular. Of course I couldn't tell anything about the speaker volume/quality And their concept of what a DP sounds like still isn't my thing.


What about the playability of the action `?
The case isn´t deep and I wonder how they managed it w/ the pivot point.

Well, I´d need MIDI-In anyway,- just only for the MIDI program changes, controller offsets and such I organize in a separate hardware-device.

No MIDI-In is already a dealbreaker I fear.

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Originally Posted by Josh Paxton
I'll admit, I never thought I'd see the day when Roland released a DP that wasn't 6 inches longer than it needed to be to accommodate a 2-inch-wide joystick that should have been placed above the keys anyway. For that reason alone, this board doesn't automatically land on my "no way I'd even consider it" list like every other RD board for the last 20 years has. Good on them for listening.


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Yeah what about the action? The CP4 has a fast action . My Roland FP 4 was fast and so were the RD700 actions. But the recent FP and RD2000 actions have not been fast. I think they are making them for rock players to pound on .


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J+ - I thought the RD-88 action felt pretty light , but still fairly solid. I think if one digs "that" sound, they'll really like the new edition.

Btw I played the Kawai ES110 you just changed over to. I see where you and Peter are coming from. The action is really light and it sounded good for single note lines...even with the pitiful headphones (yet again ) at Kawai.

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Originally Posted by Dave Ferris
J+ - I thought the RD-88 action felt pretty light , but still fairly solid. I think if one digs "that" sound, they'll really like the new edition.

Btw I played the Kawai ES110 you just changed over to. I see where you and Peter are coming from. The action is really light and it sounded good for sind gle note lines...even with the pitiful headphones (yet again ) at Kawai.


I went to GC yesterday to try FP30. Last time I played it, was when I was preparing to purchase Casio PX-S3000. This time I wanted to decide if I made right move purchasing ES110 right before NAMM and the release of new equipment (RD-88,) that tickles my fancy and pocketbook. I felt FP30 to be sluggish and considering the not very convincing Super Natural engine, I'll be content with the ES110. If I was younger and still regularly gigging popular music, I would overlook my negativity and purchase an RD-88.

A more perfect RD-88 would be one that has the old FP4 action and a sample-based acoustic piano sound.

IMO, there is always a compromise when deciding what board to play music, especially when you do not need a flagship digital. The PX-S3000 on paper seemed perfect for me until its negatives started overwhelming me. I'm excited about the ES110, which I hope I get next week. I never thought too much about Kawai because they were never available in my area and for the most part still are not.

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Originally Posted by 16251
A more perfect RD-88 would be one that has the old FP4 action and a sample-based acoustic piano sound.

The MIDI functionality at least makes it easy to add/integrate a piano from an iPad or whatever (unlike on the other boards you mention, PX-S3000/FP30/ES110 where it may be more important that you're happy with all its own sounds), but there's nothing you can do about the action. Yeah, the FP4 (and FP2) action was pretty nicely playable, even if not feeling so much like a real piano.


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Has anyone commented on the PHA4 action that it has? Interestingly, I bought a P-125 for my mother-in-law at Christmas after trying the P-125 and P-45 at GC. Even though they both have the same action, the P-125 had a much better feel - it seemed much more playable. It was then that I suspected there are different ways to implement the same key action.


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Originally Posted by Coker
Interestingly, I bought a P-125 for my mother-in-law at Christmas after trying the P-125 and P-45 at GC. Even though they both have the same action, the P-125 had a much better feel - it seemed much more playable. It was then that I suspected there are different ways to implement the same key action.

Yes, at this point I think there are too many reports to ignore, the GHS varies a lot, as does the Korg NH (and RH3, though that may be more a matter of whether or not it has aftertouch, I'm not sure). With the Korg NH, I've noticed differences even from one Kross 88 to another, so at least in that case, I don't think it's inherent to which board its in, rather I think there are different runs that vary slightly (perhaps coming from different manufacturing facilities?). With GHS, I've definitely noticed differences between models, though I don't know if I've ever come across two of the same model that feel different. In the case of all of these, I've found some that I felt I could be reasonably happy with and ones that I really didn't like.


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Anotherscott, I hear you. I was ready to pull the trigger on a MODX8 after sitting down playing AP for an hour at GC, feeling good about its action and desirous of reasonable organs and some other sounds for layering. BUT I started feeling a little squeamish about it, remembering the bad impression of its action by some bloggers, and just then the RD88 announcement appeared. Then predictive complaints about its action started. Sheesh! And to think that I lived with a Kurzweil PC88 for so many years with its less than stellar action.

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I suspect the trend towards more heavy and sluggish actions is that the lighter ones are less sturdy and come back under warranty far more often. That's expensive for the maker and the dealer. This supports my other theory that they are making actions for rocker players to pound on.
The shorter pivot is also a trend in the wrong direction, imo. This new Yamaha looks to have a short pivot in the photos I have seen.


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RD-2000. Heavy and sluggish on the return. It’s fine for chording/comping, ballads, rhythmic stuff. Tiring for soloing and notier rep like classical and jazz. It’s also a big heavy and deep case.

I think our own community has driven the developers to more compact and lighter. The weekend, semi pro and pro players keep talking about shaving weight and width for the car. So, smart to put the wheels up top. But personally, I’m not interested in shaving depth for convenience because it shortens pivot point and ruins the feel of a hammer swing for piano like timing and dynamic control. And, it creates a dead spot by the fall board.

The RD-88 has peaked my interested. But I notice it’s shallow - which is concerning. If it doesn’t play like a typical PH4 because they buggered the pivot point it’s a pass.


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I've realized it takes me more than 15 minutes of playing to fully realize how much work weighted digital piano actions can be. I've fooled myself for over it for years.


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Was back in the GC just now - CP88. Plays like a dream. Nice swing of the hammer feel, fast return for restrike.
The RH3 on the Kronos 8 is decent. GHS on the MODX has shorter feeling drop, not as swingy but not dead spot at the fall board.


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So, that $1200 RD-88 gets 3000+ Zen Core sounds. Color me interested.

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Getting a closer look at it - I do notice they’ve shaved the length by placing wheels up, great. But it also looks like they shaved depth - I hope that doesn’t mean messing with the pivot point of the PH4. Dave seems to have had a hot minute with it at NAMM and isn’t complaining about the feel - it’s noisy there so one might not notice a dead spot by the fall board. Can’t wait to play this one for myself in a local shop.


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But those wheels seem a bit of an afterthought, as if they’re added onto the board.

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Originally Posted by Fleer
But those wheels seem a bit of an afterthought, as if they’re added onto the board.


I’m not sure about that - because the concept or sell here is the visual feedback from MainStage with a better quality PH4 action. So it’s meant to be a controller - and it needs at the least Pitch and Mod if it isn’t going to have extensive pedal inputs.


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Indeed, I meant that they seem to have been added on top, as it doesn’t look very integrated.

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Dave, BTW, when I was at trying out piano, I took time to play a SK7 Shigeru Kawai. This is one of most beautiful pianos I've ever played. Would be on short list if I was wealthy. Just exquisite!


Just a real quick ot- I played the SK-5 and the Concert size SK-EX in the Kawai room. Both were very nice, especially the 9'er, and if set up properly, they'd be even more cool ! And it was great to be in a room without electronics to be able to hear ...unlike Yamaha. cry

I was trying to explain to my two friends I went to the show with about how the Yamaha SX-7 is different from other Yamahas , in that it's handmade and shares some of the Bosendorfer qualities. My one friend who is also a pianist, more of a rock guy , sat down and started playing. I swear, because of the extreme noise, it would've been hard to distinguish between that SX-7 and a decent quality digital piano. facepalm

It was hopeless, he got up after about 20 seconds, shrugged his shoulders indicating you couldn't hear sh*t. We all agreed at that point, let's get the F out of here. wink

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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
But it also looks like they shaved depth - I hope that doesn’t mean messing with the pivot point of the PH4.

If they changed the pivot point, it means they changed the length of the key, and I'd be surprised if they used the same nomenclature for keys that are that physically different.


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Originally Posted by AnotherScott
Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
But it also looks like they shaved depth - I hope that doesn’t mean messing with the pivot point of the PH4.

If they changed the pivot point, it means they changed the length of the key, and I'd be surprised if they used the same nomenclature for keys that are that physically different.


Will have to try it at the shop. Hoping PH4 means PH4 in Roland land.


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Also wondering if the RD-88 has particle board underneath. The old RD pianos did, not sure about the newer ones (or the FA 08 for that matter).

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I don't believe the FA-08 has particle board underneath (my old DS-88 had a plastic base). The RD-88 is lighter than those two boards so I imagine it would have a plastic base too.


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Originally Posted by Coker
Has anyone commented on the PHA4 action that it has? Interestingly, I bought a P-125 for my mother-in-law at Christmas after trying the P-125 and P-45 at GC. Even though they both have the same action, the P-125 had a much better feel - it seemed much more playable. It was then that I suspected there are different ways to implement the same key action.


I would agree this is the case- I am quite pleased with my P-125 as a whole as a portable unit- although not a Kawai action or even Casio in some instances- the mix of dynamics, speaker sound and clearness made the P-125 my choice over the ES110.

In terms of the RD-88 to me it seems in some aspects slightly overpriced- granted it is 29 pounds but for $300 more one can get a P515. However does the RD-88 have 4 speakers? The Yamaha has 4 and it makes a difference (even at 7w x 2 channels it is decent in a room )

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This year, I am making a real effort just to enjoy the gear I’ve already got. More playing. Less Buying!


I'm trying to do that over time- in my opinion as the decades go on improvements and upgrades can be more and more subtle.

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I don't believe the FA-08 has particle board underneath (my old DS-88 had a plastic base). The RD-88 is lighter than those two boards so I imagine it would have a plastic base too.

Yes! Thanks @kayriss.

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When the latest Casios came out, the GC store I went to heard the Roland FP 30

I thought the FP 30 was miles ahead of the Casio as far as the acoustic piano sample was concerned, The " plunk" in the Casio mid range has always been a huge turnoff for me

I took the FP 30 home and found I liked it even more when I adjusted the touch setting so that the overtones wouldn't trigger too soon.

Is the RD 88 using the same keybed as the FP30?

Also, did anyone test the RD 88 at NAMM?

BTW, no one can hear anything at NAMM so smuggle some headphones in if want to hear a particular instrument.

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In terms of the RD-88 to me it seems in some aspects slightly overpriced- granted it is 29 pounds but for $300 more one can get a P515.

Well, that's still 25% more. But really, the boards are quite different. The Yamaha may have the edge as a pure piano, but the Roland is in another league as a MIDI controller, with its definable knobs, pitch and mod wheels, Mainstage integration.


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The Rd 88 has definitely got me curious.

It will probably be awhile before they hit the shops but... the weight and price are certainly attractive.

I have not been wild about recent Roland Rhodes samples however, although I can imagine that the RD 2000 has pretty good Rhodes. Hopefully this transfers over to the RD88.

It also must have organs. Although I guess everyone's idea of ideal organ sounds is completely different.

I could live with just a good acoustic sample and good EP's. I have come to not expect more than that.

The P 515 is not my idea of a good gigging board. 29 pound is more like it.

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Roland starting to get their copy and media in order on the RD-88...

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Hmmm, RD-88 in combination with the FA-06 has endless possibilities (mine has the DB-1 Ocean Beach drawbars)! Wonder if Axial sounds will be available for the RD-88? The PHA4 action was one of the main reasons I loved the RD-800. smile


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I'm very interested in the rd as a controller for my computer setup, and Bonus that is has its own sounds and speakers!

But I listen to the demos of the rotary with the organ sounds and I just wonder, how does it even get into production with that sound?!! I know its not supposed to be a clone, but I cant imagine using that rotary sound, EVER! In a pinch, i'd just leave off the rotary effect and live with slow or stopped! People have said it before, but come on this is 2020!!! Forget flying cars, i'd just like manufacturers to actually listen to a real rotary speaker and get 70% there!! Its like they've never actually heard the real thing!!

Sorry, rant over! wink

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I didn't think any of the sounds were even decent on Soundcloud, or vids I've seen from NAMM.

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There RD-2000 is loaded with bread and butter sounds - how many of them we like is another story. Obviously the RD-88 at its price point is going to have a narrower set. As mentioned a few posts ago - having a few decent timbres on board with speakers is handy - but I’m mainly interested in the PH4 action at this price and weight with audio/midi interface and mapped controls with visual feedback from MainStage.

That being the case - the biggest question for me is - is the USB audio interface class compliant on Mac OSX or does it use a Roland driver? How low can you set the buffer with it and is the DA conversion any good?


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Hmmm, RD-88 in combination with the FA-06 has endless possibilities (mine has the DB-1 Ocean Beach drawbars)! Wonder if Axial sounds will be available for the RD-88? The PHA4 action was one of the main reasons I loved the RD-800. smile


I think that Roland marketing crew made a golden decision to name all the actions as PHA IV. Then, people like you think Roland put key action from the flagship RD-800 into boards like RD-88, FP-10, FP-30 etc. It's not true. PHA IV Standard has different design from PHA IV Concert and Premium. PHA IV Standard is based on previous Ivory Feel G, while the Premium and Concert are based on Ivory Feel S and PHA III. The G and Standard action have weighting different from the full size PHAs and significantly shorter pivot length (however it is not very short) . It is not a bad action, but the Roland nomenclature is a bit confusing here. It becomes good or even very good action if a board like FP-10 features it.

PHA-50 is also based on the PHA4 Concert action but contains wooden sides, not the wood-like coloured plastic core like PHA III or PHA IV Concert had. Roland Grand Hybrid is based on PHA-50 but has way longer pivot length.


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Originally Posted by rickzjamm
Hmmm, RD-88 in combination with the FA-06 has endless possibilities (mine has the DB-1 Ocean Beach drawbars)! Wonder if Axial sounds will be available for the RD-88? The PHA4 action was one of the main reasons I loved the RD-800. smile


I think that Roland marketing crew made a golden decision to name all the actions as PHA IV. Then, people like you think Roland put key action from the flagship RD-800 into boards like RD-88, FP-10, FP-30 etc. It's not true. PHA IV Standard has different design from PHA IV Concert and Premium. PHA IV Standard is based on previous Ivory Feel G, while the Premium and Concert are based on Ivory Feel S and PHA III. The G and Standard action have weighting different from the full size PHAs and significantly shorter pivot length (however it is not very short) . It is not a bad action, but the Roland nomenclature is a bit confusing here. It becomes good or even very good action if a board like FP-10 features it.

PHA-50 is also based on the PHA4 Concert action but contains wooden sides, not the wood-like coloured plastic core like PHA III or PHA IV Concert had. Roland Grand Hybrid is based on PHA-50 but has way longer pivot length.


Oh that’s a shame. Not surprising - Yamaha does the same with GH, GHS, etc.
Although Roland seems even more convoluted.
Either way, we all know we’ve got to try before buy.


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Originally Posted by ElmerJFudd
Originally Posted by pawelsz
Originally Posted by rickzjamm
Hmmm, RD-88 in combination with the FA-06 has endless possibilities (mine has the DB-1 Ocean Beach drawbars)! Wonder if Axial sounds will be available for the RD-88? The PHA4 action was one of the main reasons I loved the RD-800. smile


I think that Roland marketing crew made a golden decision to name all the actions as PHA IV. Then, people like you think Roland put key action from the flagship RD-800 into boards like RD-88, FP-10, FP-30 etc. It's not true. PHA IV Standard has different design from PHA IV Concert and Premium. PHA IV Standard is based on previous Ivory Feel G, while the Premium and Concert are based on Ivory Feel S and PHA III. The G and Standard action have weighting different from the full size PHAs and significantly shorter pivot length (however it is not very short) . It is not a bad action, but the Roland nomenclature is a bit confusing here. It becomes good or even very good action if a board like FP-10 features it.

PHA-50 is also based on the PHA4 Concert action but contains wooden sides, not the wood-like coloured plastic core like PHA III or PHA IV Concert had. Roland Grand Hybrid is based on PHA-50 but has way longer pivot length.


Oh that’s a shame. Not surprising - Yamaha does the same with GH, GHS, etc.
Although Roland seems even more convoluted.
Either way, we all know we’ve got to try before buy.


True, but this discussion is pointing to red flags being the newly branded version of the same action and not very editable SuperNATURAL AP/EP tones that I couldn’t get with in the RD64. Fingers crossed on the latter till I can download an owners manual!


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Originally Posted by drawback
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Originally Posted by rickzjamm
Hmmm, RD-88 in combination with the FA-06 has endless possibilities (mine has the DB-1 Ocean Beach drawbars)! Wonder if Axial sounds will be available for the RD-88? The PHA4 action was one of the main reasons I loved the RD-800. smile


I think that Roland marketing crew made a golden decision to name all the actions as PHA IV. Then, people like you think Roland put key action from the flagship RD-800 into boards like RD-88, FP-10, FP-30 etc. It's not true. PHA IV Standard has different design from PHA IV Concert and Premium. PHA IV Standard is based on previous Ivory Feel G, while the Premium and Concert are based on Ivory Feel S and PHA III. The G and Standard action have weighting different from the full size PHAs and significantly shorter pivot length (however it is not very short) . It is not a bad action, but the Roland nomenclature is a bit confusing here. It becomes good or even very good action if a board like FP-10 features it.

PHA-50 is also based on the PHA4 Concert action but contains wooden sides, not the wood-like coloured plastic core like PHA III or PHA IV Concert had. Roland Grand Hybrid is based on PHA-50 but has way longer pivot length.


Oh that’s a shame. Not surprising - Yamaha does the same with GH, GHS, etc.
Although Roland seems even more convoluted.
Either way, we all know we’ve got to try before buy.


True, but this discussion is pointing to red flags being the newly branded version of the same action and not very editable SuperNATURAL AP/EP tones that I couldn’t get with in the RD64. Fingers crossed on the latter till I can download an owners manual!




They did state that the RD88 is going to be included with the Zen Core compatible instruments - including the FA models via a firmware update.


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Hmmm, RD-88 in combination with the FA-06 has endless possibilities (mine has the DB-1 Ocean Beach drawbars)! Wonder if Axial sounds will be available for the RD-88? The PHA4 action was one of the main reasons I loved the RD-800. smile


I think that Roland marketing crew made a golden decision to name all the actions as PHA IV. Then, people like you think Roland put key action from the flagship RD-800 into boards like RD-88, FP-10, FP-30 etc. It's not true. PHA IV Standard has different design from PHA IV Concert and Premium. PHA IV Standard is based on previous Ivory Feel G, while the Premium and Concert are based on Ivory Feel S and PHA III. The G and Standard action have weighting different from the full size PHAs and significantly shorter pivot length (however it is not very short) . It is not a bad action, but the Roland nomenclature is a bit confusing here. It becomes good or even very good action if a board like FP-10 features it.

PHA-50 is also based on the PHA4 Concert action but contains wooden sides, not the wood-like coloured plastic core like PHA III or PHA IV Concert had. Roland Grand Hybrid is based on PHA-50 but has way longer pivot length.


Oh that’s a shame. Not surprising - Yamaha does the same with GH, GHS, etc.
Although Roland seems even more convoluted.
Either way, we all know we’ve got to try before buy.


True, but this discussion is pointing to red flags being the newly branded version of the same action and not very editable SuperNATURAL AP/EP tones that I couldn’t get with in the RD64. Fingers crossed on the latter till I can download an owners manual!



Yamaha had GH action (being called also as GHE Graded Hammer Effect) before GHS. And the S letter always was differentiating full size GH action from the GHS action which is more different from GH than Roland PHA IV Standard from PHA IV Premium and Concert. Forum PianoWorld has lots of photos of disassembled digital pianos so it's best source of info.
http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2337383/Roland_PHA_vs_lightweight_acti.html

For RD-88 and other pianos featuring PHA IV Standard, I read many reviews that PHA IV Standard really is noticeable upgrade from the Ivory Feel-G and not only Roland crew say that. It is not a bad action, I wanted only to say not every PHA IV is mechanically identical. It is not the best, but good action, especially in low-budget pianos where you get from Roland very good action for the price of the whole instrument, whereas Yamaha is putting better actions in way more expensive pianos
I think the RD-88 is the long-awaiten successor of RD-300NX. I really appreciate its slim and short form with wheels above the keybed, low weight and its features even if the sound engine doesn't seem to change a lot. Roland SuperNatural sound engine isn't bad sounding. I find it not really natural in terms of raw piano sample, particurarly in middle register, but it is very clean sound, with deep bass, and you can play good sounding chords in quite low registers without getting much dissonance. Also, it has one of the best sounding sustains when playing long notes - it's rich with much resonance, while Yamaha has obvious short-looping even in flagship models, but I find the Yamaha raw samples, being the "root" of sound more natural. Roland SuperNatural fits also well in band context.


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Originally Posted by rickzjamm
Wonder if Axial sounds will be available for the RD-88?

With Zen-Core compatibility between RD-88, Fantom, Jupiter, AX-Edge, I would think that it is likely that they will come out with expansions that would work with all of them.

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But I listen to the demos of the rotary with the organ sounds and I just wonder, how does it even get into production with that sound?!! I know its not supposed to be a clone, but I cant imagine using that rotary sound, EVER! In a pinch, i'd just leave off the rotary effect and live with slow or stopped! People have said it before, but come on this is 2020!!! Forget flying cars, i'd just like manufacturers to actually listen to a real rotary speaker and get 70% there!! Its like they've never actually heard the real thing!!

I suspect it may simply be beyond the effects capabilities of the boards. The Roland is not the worst I've heard.


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I was thinking as follows when deciding on the sound and playability of a DP.
Sampled DPs like Yamaha’s P515 tend to have a lack of immediacy when playing. And then there’s that vast bunch of samples libraries to run on your computer.
Modeled DPs like Roland’s V-Piano in their FP-90 or RD-2000 are second to Pianoteq in my book.
Finally there’s the SuperNatural approach of the RD-88, seemingly combining the strengths of samples and modeling. So I got the RD-88.

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She’s an interesting one. Last year she was plugging the MODX7.
Give her a few years and JR will have some competition. wink


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She's a terrific talent ! And the keyboard sounds good too. Hard to come away with anything solid at NAMM but this very well could dominate that price point category. I'll be playing it myself when it hits the stores for something in the office. And maybe take for weekend get away vacations. The P-515 is kinda heavy for that.

An aside- I don't dig that drummer's groove with all the 16ths on the high-hat, and ride, at those faster tempos. Sounds nervous and edgey to me. No space/air between the beats. When I play with someone like that, it locks me in to a space that is uncomfortable and forces me to play a certain way.. I notice a lot of young Mill drummers play like this. Give the time a more open and breathing feel...relax !

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The Zen-Core compatibility intrigues me, because depending on exactly how that's implemented in the real world, it pushes the RD-88's range of sound options much higher. I'm sure it doesn't turn into a Fantom, but if its even halfway useful, some players are going to raise eyebrows when they get a giant Fantom patch to suddenly appear. You certainly wouldn't buy this for that purpose first, but the potential is fascinating. Domi IS a fine player, such that if I had any doubts about the RD's general playability for its main purpose, she banished them. Her fluidity is the best ad I've seen for it.


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Tried to click on and got a “this video is private” notification.

I agree with DF, she IS talented, but I find a similar feeling... these chopmeisters don’t let the music BREATHE.
It gets tiring to listen to and keeps most non-practitioning folk away.....
For all their transcendental chops, Art and Oscar ALWAYS knew how to make music breathe!

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Tried to click on and got a “this video is private” notification.


Doesn't work for me either anymore...


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"The Zen-Core compatibility intrigues me, because depending on exactly how that's implemented in the real world, it pushes the RD-88's range of sound options much higher."

Yes, now that Roland announced Zen-Core "tones" are going to be able to be shared across many of their newest keyboards it makes this RD-88 that much more interesting. You would still need the ability to edit/tweak those tones and that could be done with a Jupiter Xm for example or Jupiter X, or of course a Fantom. Or maaaaybe...with an editor app for the RD-88 ? Zen-Core tones can be pretty powerful complex tones made of up to 4 partials and as I understand it, multiple LFOs, multiple filter options, step LFO. So yeah, I am really going to look at this board, especially as a complement to a Jupiter X. I still have my Fantom on trial basis but I think I am going to like a combo of Jupiter X + RD-88 more (and return the Fantom)


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I'm very interested in the rd as a controller for my computer setup, and Bonus that is has its own sounds and speakers!

But I listen to the demos of the rotary with the organ sounds and I just wonder, how does it even get into production with that sound?!! I know its not supposed to be a clone, but I cant imagine using that rotary sound, EVER! In a pinch, i'd just leave off the rotary effect and live with slow or stopped! People have said it before, but come on this is 2020!!! Forget flying cars, i'd just like manufacturers to actually listen to a real rotary speaker and get 70% there!! Its like they've never actually heard the real thing!!

Sorry, rant over! wink


Just out of interest, why not go for the A-88mkII then if it's for a computer setup? Keys should be the same I think?

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The Zen-Core compatibility intrigues me...You certainly wouldn't buy this for that purpose first, but the potential is fascinating.

Maybe not "first" but I could at least see it being very significant. When the Grandstage was first announced with its Kronos engines. I had hoped that--as long as you stuck to programs created with those same engines (and stock samples)--you'd be able to load Kronos programs into it. If there were a <30 lb 88-key Korg that could load Kronos programs, yeah, I would probably buy it just for that. Do my programming at home, and play the sounds from the portable. So it will be interesting to see the full capabilities of Zen-Core and this compatibility.


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I'm very interested in the rd as a controller for my computer setup, and Bonus that is has its own sounds and speakers!

But I listen to the demos of the rotary with the organ sounds and I just wonder, how does it even get into production with that sound?!! I know its not supposed to be a clone, but I cant imagine using that rotary sound, EVER! In a pinch, i'd just leave off the rotary effect and live with slow or stopped! People have said it before, but come on this is 2020!!! Forget flying cars, i'd just like manufacturers to actually listen to a real rotary speaker and get 70% there!! Its like they've never actually heard the real thing!!

Sorry, rant over! wink


Just out of interest, why not go for the A-88mkII then if it's for a computer setup? Keys should be the same I think?


Less length
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ability to list/navigate the patches on the keyboard display
Speakers for practicing
Wheels (hate the lever!!!!)
Slightly lighter...

oh yeah, forgot built-in (decent, I hope!) sounds for simple gigs that don't require the complexity of the computer setup...





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This intrigues me; will have to play one when they arrive in the stores. I have a dedicated SN piano - a Roland FP-50 - that occupies my teaching space; sometimes it's a go-to for solo piano stuff as well. The studio is up a couple flights of stairs,so shaving 10 lbs off of my portable DP is attractive; so is having the additional features and functions of the RD-88. Then there's the Z-Core Tone compatibility with the Fantom - for which I've already written several Tones.

Looking forward to hearing more, and playing one as well. Might be at GearFest though, unless I get to Fort Wayne sooner..


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According to Sweetwater, the RD-88 speakers and amp are:
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Two 5” woofers? Nice.

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Has anybody heard of a date when the RD88 will be in stock? I haven’t preordered yet but would love to try this out in next month?


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My local instrument store with unfortunate acronym (Proffesional Music Technology) in the UK said they were expecting the shipment of the RD88 to be delayed by a number of weeks due to loads of goods sitting in containers in Chinese ports.Coronorvirus uncertainty - so who knows when.

After ditching the FP90 I said I wouldnt be getting another board with the Roland piano sound any time soon but the rest of the RD88 package ticks a few boxes for me. Also Jon Cleary is a great advert for the brand - says a lot for the action as much as the piano sound.

Others have commented that the Rd88s piano in the vids comes across a bit harsh or metalic sounding - and I tend to agree. But I just realised that the default piano (Concert Grand 001) is the BRITE grand version. Cant think why the did that but it aint typical.

Thommen's website has hi-res photos - you can read the patch name if you zoom in on the screen.

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Looks like an nice bread n butter board with the bonus of the audio interface and this Zen audio compatibility. Nice of Roland to finally ditch the mod controls on the left and put them up high, as well as replace them with wheels. Though they look like they’ve been stuck on as part of a last minute decision. Almost like they built the keyboard and then while looking at it realised they forgot to include a mod wheel and stuck one on the top. Doesn’t look as integrated as the rest of the board. More an observation on my part rather than a criticism.

At the price it looks like it could compete very well against Yamaha CP73. Bigger palette of sounds and expandable with the zen core is. 88 notes, cheaper. Lots of pluses with this board. Keybed would be my main interest. Looking forward to trying it out once it hits the shelves.


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She's a terrific talent ! And the keyboard sounds good too. Hard to come away with anything solid at NAMM but this very well could dominate that price point category. I'll be playing it myself when it hits the stores for something in the office. And maybe take for weekend get away vacations. The P-515 is kinda heavy for that.

An aside- I don't dig that drummer's groove with all the 16ths on the high-hat, and ride, at those faster tempos. Sounds nervous and edgey to me. No space/air between the beats. When I play with someone like that, it locks me in to a space that is uncomfortable and forces me to play a certain way.. I notice a lot of young Mill drummers play like this. Give the time a more open and breathing feel...relax !


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...Nice of Roland to finally ditch the mod controls on the left and put them up high, as well as replace them with wheels. Though they look like they’ve been stuck on as part of a last minute decision. Almost like they built the keyboard and then while looking at it realised they forgot to include a mod wheel and stuck one on the top. Doesn’t look as integrated as the rest of the board. More an observation on my part rather than a criticism.

I know what you mean about the wheels-- but I believe this was the best design decision they could make. A lot of people in this forum complain about wheels being located to the left of the keybed. Most people (I am not one of them) seem to prefer they be located "up high" as you said. But what is often not considered is that wheels require space under the top surface of the keyboard-- space that is often already occupied by the keybed mechanism or other internals. I believe the only solution is to either make the entire keyboard thicker, or to do what Roland did here-- make a little "block" to house the wheels and their underlying mechanism.

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Polish reseller Muzikuj has a series of vids out.

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Care to post a link? Don't see anything on his website.

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They're all on his Youtube channel. muzykujkropkacom One of my favorite channels by the way.









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Can't wait to try this. For whatever reason I don't usually like Roland actions other than maybe their top of the line ones.

The organ is truly bad, which is really disappointing considering they could have maybe used their decades-old vk sounds and it would have sounded a ton better....

That said, if the audio interface works like my MODX and supplies midi and audio, that makes it really easy to use an ipad. I'd get the b3x from IK and the organ goes from zero to hero...not to mention you'd have great synths like Zeeon and those from Moog...not much in the way of controllers of course!

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I hate to say this but those videos from Muzykuj.com sounds just awful to me. Absolutely brutal all around except for the pads which Roland does nicely.

Anything I want to buy in this category will cost double the price and I would need to pay it.

The demos of the Kurzweil SP6 I've heard (especially with Chris Martorano) sound much better than this for the price, but it's the Medelli action.

I would guess it's a good action for a Mainstage rig, but for these internal sounds, that's a no for me. The videos do the sound test a big disservice.


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Originally Posted by jeffinpghpa
I hate to say this but those videos from Muzykuj.com sounds just awful to me. Absolutely brutal all around except for the pads which Roland does nicely


I thought the RD-88 sounded much more flattering on the Do-Re-Mi video. Seems they took it down for whatever reason.

He means well and his videos are all very well done, but it might be I've just heard way too many pop/rock/triad demos. Everything sounds the same to me after awhile...... snooze tired

Well it looks like it's back up:


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There is potential for better sounds with its Zen-Core patch compatibility with other models. Also, unlike the SP6, it has speakers, which can be a factor for some uses.


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The recent Better Music video sounds plinky as well. That's a concern.

Since it's based on the same supernatural AP and EP engine as the RD800, I'm going to assume that the sound quality will be similar. Until we get to hear it in person of course.

It will be interesting to find out if Roland included the Piano Designer capability at this price point.

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There is a newer Sweetwater video that sounds waaaaay better than the Musykuj videos. It’s really the best one I’ve heard so far.

https://youtu.be/2YSwj0wJu-E


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Wondering when I’ll get mine. Anyone has an ETA?

Edith adds: manuals are available:
https://www.roland.com/global/support/by_product/rd-88/owners_manuals/

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Another YC61 but opposite sex, with equally crippling omisions. No AT on the Yammi, and no usable organ, weird MIDI on this one....demos I hear presets, how much synth manipulation is possible? Does it work with A-Pro Midi editior?

It's a trend, better builds, many nice aspects and some ommisions which limit the versatilty for seeming little savings.

It's like the engineers bring it all, and the manager looks hard.....where is my bonus? Ah, let's just pull two MIDI din ports.

The only serious controler I've seen in production in the past few years: is this Viscount.

Keep those features but the Fatar organ action 7x, with some light springs, for this price, doable at scale, would sell...though maybe not in blue.

Read those specs. No you better not. Oh, here is the 76. 8 zones under hammers 8x out MIDI

But RD-88 looks very nice in it's way for sure.

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Sounds....."good enough for a rock band" (which I'm in)....so really what it will boil down to is: how is the action compared to the CP73, which I reckon is the main competition to me. Honestly I'd overlooked the SV2 but it sounded nice in that vid above. Organs sound abysmal on both, but both (?) offer ipad audio/midi integration so if I get b3x....then it will depend on how well they integrate external sounds.

The problem I have with these non-Nord companies when it comes to "you'll be able to use additional sounds as we release them" is: with Nord, you know what's out there, and you know you can go get the sounds you want from that pool and choose which to put on. Yamaha's approach of firmware updates is pretty lame by comparison. Did Korg ever follow through with Grandstage and Kronos engine sounds? We'll see how this one is with zen-core, which I know little about.

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Yep, Korg did add some GrandStage (and Vox Continental) sounds just recently.
Zen-core will also be covered by the new Roland Fantom and Jupiter X(m).

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The only serious controler I've seen in production in the past few years: is this Viscount.

Keep those features but the Fatar organ action 7x, with some light springs, for this price, doable at scale, would sell...though maybe not in blue.


Fatar synth action TP8S/ TP9S would sell too,- and yes,- I hate the blue.

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Read those specs. No you better not. Oh, here is the 76. 8 zones under hammers 8x out MIDI


Unfortunately, actually you can only buy the "EX" versions and the K5 76 is Fatar TP-100.
That´s the version w/ the sound expansion which results in a MUCH longer boot time of about 90 sec. !
And the sound design is just only the ancestor of the newer Viscount Legend 70 DP (which by nature lacks the ADVANCED controller features).

Viscount K5 w/ 76 keys premium synth action, in black or early oberheimish "white" would be an excellent masterkeyboard-controller for me.
But not interested in the "EX" version at all.
I´d better put it on the Legend 70´s flat top.

Originally Posted by uhoh7

But RD-88 looks very nice in it's way for sure.


It´s a different product for different customers anyway.

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It’s March and this unit was supposed to be released to retailers. Any updates on when this will
Be available for purchase? Any changes in release date?

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I was thinking of replacing an FP-50 with one of these, but it's going to be awhile; that's based more on economics than supply chain concerns. The FP-50 is in my teaching space, and I occasionally use it for solo piano stuff. I could certainly see the benefits the RD-88 would offer in both cases, even moving into some of my band work - where a lightweight, compact 88 piano/synth hybrid would be attractive. In the meantime, it's been fun checking out the demos.


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Just got a call from a major Midwest music store that my preordered RD88 is in. Should have it next week. I think I’ve gotta connect with the keybed and sound for it to be a keeper for small gigs and worship band/ future Mainstage pairing.I already know I like the Zencore stuff and the supernatural pianos.


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I want my, I want my, I want my RD.

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Hey folks,

I know everyone has been waiting patiently for the RD-88 and I would like to inform you I was able to receive mine.

I actually received the RD-88 last Thursday.

So I have to say - Roland did a great job streamlining this keyboard and adding some amazing features. It is definitely lightweight and the effects settings and the on-board speakers/monitors are wonderful to hear. Piano tones sound great.

BUT...and this is a big BUT: I am not happy with the action. I play salsa piano and prefer to have a very responsive piano action. I need the keys to bounce back as quickly as possible. No matter how good my technique can be (not saying I have the best technique) I wouldn’t be able to play as fast and as accurate as I would Roland FP-4. For me, the action is THE key factor (pun intended).

I am having my doubts as to whether I will keep this now...luckily I have a 30 day return window.

I’m seriously leaning towards returning it because as far as I know, I need to have an easier time performing with greater ease onstage rather than worrying about practicing better technique to get even a fraction of a second quicker on my montunos.

Don’t get me wrong - it’s a wonderful, wonderful keyboard - sounds great, has amazing features I wish my FP-4 would have. But I would still take my FP-4 to the gig because it plays better.

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Interesting. The RD-2000 feels slow to me as well. Have you played that model? Able to compare?


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Haven’t played that model so I wouldn’t know.

I just remember playing the FP-30 and it felt a lot lighter than what I’m feeling with the RD-88. Maybe because it’s brand new and hasn’t been broken in (as it could be played a lot in the showroom)? And I know they both have the same keybed (PHA-4 Standard).

I’m just wondering if I’ve got to break this in to get it looser/faster/more responsive?

If it just needs breaking in, I’ll probably keep it...but that’s not guaranteed.

When I got my fp-4, it played beautifully right out of the box.

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Here’s hoping it’s a break-in thing.
It’s the same action as in the FP-60, which I quite like. But then I’m more prog rock than salsa.

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Here’s hoping it’s a break-in thing.
It’s the same action as in the FP-60, which I quite like. But then I’m more prog rock than salsa.

My memory of the PHA-4 standard was that it was a little sluggish. This memory is based on a very quick try of an FP30, so I could be wrong.

Nonetheless, you could try adjusting the key touch settings. This can help to some degree, as will playing it in a bit.


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Typically for me it’s not so much the weight of the keys as the speed of return to strike again - which seems like something related to counter weight. I think Yamaha gets this more piano like feeling by using a spring on their CP-4 and CP-88 models.


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Nonetheless, you could try adjusting the key touch settings. This can help to some degree, as will playing it in a bit.

Yup tried all that - right down to super light velocity curve setting. I did a gig simulation last night where I played a whole set of music from what would have been a gig I was going to do before Covid happened.

There were many times that I noticed my rhythm in certain passages weren’t as accurate and my playing a little sloppy (I felt slow). It was tiring to play what normally is something more enjoyable to play.

I recall having other pianists in the salsa scene comment that my FP-4 was a pleasure to play and I couldn’t agree more. If there is anyone out there who can tell me their keyboard with PHA-4 Standard action loosens up over time (FP-10, FP-30, FP-60 etc) , I’ll consider sticking with it.

But is it worthwhile sticking with a keyboard that doesn’t have the same playability as the FP-4?

I remember playing many acoustic grand pianos in college. There were brand new pianos that were sluggish and there were pianos that were beautifully broken in with great response. I’m looking for the latter in my DP and FP-4 (PHA ALPHA II action) is as close as it comes.

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We make some sacrifices for weight and convenience. An action that is disappointing to you is not a great compromise. But only you can say how much you’re willing to accept for light weight. What else is on your list to try? Send it back and give something else a shot.


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Reading about your initial experiences, I guess I would send it back if I were you. The kind of fast rebound you’re looking for should be there. Maybe try checking out a well used FP-60 and see if it’s up to your liking.
As for me, I definitely wanted to stay away from the base GHS action Yamaha uses in its sub $1500 hammer keyboards, for quality (control) reasons.
The base Roland action seems more durable.

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Don’t get me wrong - it’s a wonderful, wonderful keyboard - sounds great, has amazing features I wish my FP-4 would have. But I would still take my FP-4 to the gig because it plays better.

I’m curious as to what amazing features you were expecting would make any difference, given the application?


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I received my RD88 yesterday and am checking it out over next 30 days. I can agree with MRDLC regarding the action not giving a fast bounce back on quick repetitions of notes (especially the same note). If playing Salsa music, maybe this action won't work. My use and playing for this keyboard is not going to require that and generally I am pleasantly surprised with the action on the RD88 given it's light weight and sleek build. I own a Kurzweil Forte and, IMO that action (TP/40L) WOULD be good for that type of playing.


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This sounds a lot like the action I didn't like on the RD-64. The keys go down, it almost felt like you had to wait for them to come back up again. I'm by no means a fast or accomplished pianist for what it's worth. "Mushy" was the word that came to mind when I played it.

My old Studiologic controller had a TP/40 of some kind (90s vintage) and I really liked that action for just about anything. Heavy (weight) though.

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I loved the Roland FP-4 action and acoustic piano sound but only because of lack-luster Rhodes I went into the desert on a quest through a Nord Piano3, a Yamaha CP-4 and a Casio PX-S3000 to realize that I should of just kept FP-4. Luckily, I now own a Kawai ES110 and IMO has an even better action than anything I've ever owned since my first weighted action Korg SG-ID.

I was excited about the idea of the RD-88. It was light, had built-in speakers and had some big boy functionality. A negative of the Kawai, which lacks DSP effects (except for a few burnt in options.) as well as a some other compromises for an entry level piano but it does have Midi, which makes my recent purchase of used Yamaha Reface CP a winner. The Reface replaces my desire for a Nord interface and own a couch/beach keyboard with impressive sounds.

I've been able to calm down my GAS after listening to videos of RD-88 and because I had tried the Roland FP-30 and didn't like action. Now if the RD-88 had the FP-4 action, I certainly would continuing to be gassed.

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I’m curious as to what amazing features you were expecting would make any difference, given the application?

Great features on the RD-88 that were not on the FP are:

1. tone selections - Piano and E. Piano sound a lot better on this
2. Ability to EQ tones - EQing Hi Mid and Low -
3. Knobs can change tone quality easily for live performances
4. Mod-Wheel and Pitch Bend (for Organ and other tones)
5. Weight & Length - 7 pounds lighter than FP-4 and a tad shorter (easier for transporting on gigs)
6. USB PORT - can charge ipad while on a gig; import zen-core sounds
7. ZEN-CORE sounds (if i wanted to use the 3000 tones available)

But all this to reduce my ability to play well on a gig...not worth it really...

If it just needs a breaking in period, then I'd consider keeping it - anyone out there have a FP-30 (or anything with PHA-4 Standard action for a couple of years, I'd like to know if anything has changed with your keyboard action)

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This sounds a lot like the action I didn't like on the RD-64. The keys go down, it almost felt like you had to wait for them to come back up again. I'm by no means a fast or accomplished pianist for what it's worth. "Mushy" was the word that came to mind when I played it.

I feel like it is a TAD better than the RD-64 - but similar response when waiting for a key to return. Feels like a chore to play rather than being able to play freely and flowing.

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I think the last quick/light feeling Roland hammer action was the "PHA III Ivory Feel-S" though I guess the mechanism was heavy since I don't think it ever ended up in a board that was under 50 lbs.

The funny thing is that the Rolands actually support some pretty quick response even though they feel sluggish. I know, that seems like a contradiction. But here's a video with the Roland A88 (which has the RD-64 action, is a slightly older/lesser version of what should be in the RD88)... at 9:30 he talks abou how it feels more sluggish than the Kawai ES110 and Casio PX5S above it, and at 17:00 he mentions its slow hammer return... and yet at about 18:00 he demonstrates that its ability to do quick repetitions is quite good (and better than the "quicker" feeling Casio). (He shows it again at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz0SvVpEiRI&feature=youtu.be&t=2m23s )


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Good point A/Scott. I wonder where the contradiction resides.

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Just got my RD-88 a couple of days ago (UK). I am very happy with it. Sounds and action fine for me. Action very similar to rd300-nx and better than rd-64 as I recall. Also, definitely better, for me, than modx8 that I tried a few months ago, and didn't purchase, particularly because I found the key texture poor (as a pianist). Can't say much about the repetition rate, as fine for me, but understand others are more concerned. I should say that I have very little experience of top-quality, heavy stage pianos, but gigging for many decades with rd-300 series, yam, nord (fatar), and the better casios recently. Also, dare I say that the action of small acoustic pianos is very different from full-size, or even 7ft, concert grands. Horowitz apparently used to have his piano keys altered to make the action lighter by many grams, so a difficult area.

I am a bit disappointed that usb-audio function does not seem as good as on modx series. I don't use a Mac, but it's a bit complex to set up on windows (working now though), and I haven't got it working on iOS, with lightning adapter or with plugkey or ipad pro usb-c direct. USB-MIDI works fine with ios. Not a complaint, as documentation does not indicate "class compliant". Please could someone confirm digital audio not working directly with iOS. Anyway, just another cable to get analog audio out to rd-88 and mix it.

Of course no experience of gigging with it yet, and for some time...... but I'm really happy with it as a light stage piano with good action, and easy access to basic live functions. Piano and electric piano sounds more than fine for my gigs, and organs probably OK for me for occasional use (lower walking 80800000 type with split - good to have split function on expression pedal. Hope to go external on the upper but that's where the usb-audio comes in). Bonus that good to be able to carry an 88 key board easily from the sides, due to narrower than others.

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Nonetheless, you could try adjusting the key touch settings. This can help to some degree, as will playing it in a bit.

Yup tried all that - right down to super light velocity curve setting. I did a gig simulation last night where I played a whole set of music from what would have been a gig I was going to do before Covid happened.

There were many times that I noticed my rhythm in certain passages weren’t as accurate and my playing a little sloppy (I felt slow). It was tiring to play what normally is something more enjoyable to play.

I recall having other pianists in the salsa scene comment that my FP-4 was a pleasure to play and I couldn’t agree more. If there is anyone out there who can tell me their keyboard with PHA-4 Standard action loosens up over time (FP-10, FP-30, FP-60 etc) , I’ll consider sticking with it.

But is it worthwhile sticking with a keyboard that doesn’t have the same playability as the FP-4?

I remember playing many acoustic grand pianos in college. There were brand new pianos that were sluggish and there were pianos that were beautifully broken in with great response. I’m looking for the latter in my DP and FP-4 (PHA ALPHA II action) is as close as it comes.

I've never seen a weighted action on a digital piano to loosen up over time, but your fingers will get used to it and it'll feel better. But to be honest, for salsa style of music I'd just buy a digital piano with a great acustic piano sound and light action. Kawai ES-110 might be great for it.

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Nonetheless, you could try adjusting the key touch settings. This can help to some degree, as will playing it in a bit.

Yup tried all that - right down to super light velocity curve setting. I did a gig simulation last night where I played a whole set of music from what would have been a gig I was going to do before Covid happened.

There were many times that I noticed my rhythm in certain passages weren’t as accurate and my playing a little sloppy (I felt slow). It was tiring to play what normally is something more enjoyable to play.

I recall having other pianists in the salsa scene comment that my FP-4 was a pleasure to play and I couldn’t agree more. If there is anyone out there who can tell me their keyboard with PHA-4 Standard action loosens up over time (FP-10, FP-30, FP-60 etc) , I’ll consider sticking with it.

But is it worthwhile sticking with a keyboard that doesn’t have the same playability as the FP-4?

I remember playing many acoustic grand pianos in college. There were brand new pianos that were sluggish and there were pianos that were beautifully broken in with great response. I’m looking for the latter in my DP and FP-4 (PHA ALPHA II action) is as close as it comes.
Have you thought about picking up a used RD300gx? it has the same Pha Alpha II action as the FP4 and IMO a larger better selection of sounds with more editability as well as pitch bend/ mod, dedicated two band EQ knobs, and three zones with sliders.

I had a RD300gx until about a year ago and sold it for just $450 mainly because it was too damn long to carry to gigs. I kind of regret selling it now because, like you, in hindsight I enjoyed its light fast hammer action (even though IMO it wasn't very "realistic" by today's standards).

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Got my RD-88 yesterday.

Background --
I've owned a Yamaha CP4, CP73, and currently use either a Kronos 73 (+ Nord Stage 3) or Roland RD2000 (for solo piano) to gig.  I'd be mainly using it for live performing -- main goal is to reduce the weight (replace my bottom boards).  I'm also evaluating using MainStage as a sound source to supplement the RD-88. It would also be nice to be able to use the built-in audio interface versus bringing another piece of gear.

RD-88 Pros:
 - Acoustic piano sound (I was actually quite impressed)
 - key feel is lighter weight versus my other weighted boards, which is ok.
 - weight - 30lbs!

RD-88 Cons:
 - Electric Pianos not so great (huge step down from RD-2000 and Kronos)
- No knob to quickly go through patches -- have to keep pressing the increase button.
 - Height of the keyboard was surprising (more than 6 inches).   This is probably due to the speakers on the bottom. This required me to make changes to my stand height and space between my top keyboard.
 - Wall wart (why?), Also, it's probably the shortest wall wart cord I've ever seen.
 - Screen is really small
 - MainStage integration is disappointing so far, but I need to spend more time. The screen shows nothing more than the current patch.
 - Audio Interface issues - can't figure out how to control the RD sounds and MainStage together without also having the RD sending its regular sound out the Audio outs.
- The MainStage / Audio Interface documentation is confusing and really not very helpful.

I'm hoping I can iron out these last few

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I had a RD300gx until about a year ago and sold it for just $450 mainly because it was too damn long to carry to gigs. I kind of regret selling it now because, like you, in hindsight I enjoyed its light fast hammer action (even though IMO it wasn't very "realistic" by today's standards).

Luckily I’ve kept my FP-4 so I have no worries if I ever wanted to use it for gigs. I’ve decided to stick with my RD-88. Made a few tweaks and am possibly gonna do some DIY to actually tweak the action to make it lighter. Not gonna mention how I will do it, but I’m gonna try it out once this Covid isolating ends.

That being said, I do feel like I’m actually getting used to the feel more now - kind of strengthened my fine motor muscles. But it’s noticeably different now when I go back to the Fp-4 (feels even lighter now and easier to do runs and tumbaos/montunos for salsa).

We’ll see.

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About that height (more than 6 inches): that’s one of the reasons why I got it. Fits perfectly on my Ikea Expedit/Kallax 😄

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But not so good for gigging with sturdy stands. I've used quik-lok WS-550 for 30+ years but I think I'll have problems with rd-88 unless I use a very high seat/cushions. Can anyone recommend a sturdy stand which goes down to less than 60cm (23") - I don't think z stands would work, and I'd prefer not to have to use double X (too much movement), unless someone knows a particularly sturdy one.
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Can anyone recommend a sturdy stand which goes down to less than 60cm (23") - I don't think z stands would work, and I'd prefer not to have to use double X (too much movement), unless someone knows a particularly sturdy one.
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I’ve been using this stand as it gets fairly low and gives the rd-88 a pretty good playing height. Also the rubbers guards/stoppers are adjustable so it keeps the keyboard in place.

Hercules KS110B EZ-Lok X-Shaped Single Keyboard Stand

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Who demos a stage piano with clear shots of him using mainstage? I also noted it has what looks like speaker grills.

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Who demos a stage piano with clear shots of him using mainstage? I also noted it has what looks like speaker grills.
I've been seeing them advertise the RD-88's Mainstage integration (via the built-in interface) a fair amount, so I think the demo performances are all meant to show off the seamless switching between the built-in and outboard sounds. For me, if I'm bringing a laptop to a gig, I don't need your built-in piano sounds, but hey, horses for courses.


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Apparently there's a known bug on the RD-88 (similar issue as on the Fantom) where Mainstage patch changes are unable to be sent (or received) by an external device if the MainStage integration is installed. The only way to make it send patch changes it to completely uninstall the MainStage profile, which of course means the Mainstage integration is essentially useless.

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Couldn't find it in the manual or paramater list:

can the audio output of the internal speakers of the RD-88 be muted, whilst the output out of the 1/4" output socket(s) remains to be sent?

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I must have missed something pretty obvious: a dedicated button for this purpose. Thanks to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YSwj0wJu-E , I found out...

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Can anyone recommend a sturdy stand which goes down to less than 60cm (23") - I don't think z stands would work, and I'd prefer not to have to use double X (too much movement), unless someone knows a particularly sturdy one.
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I’ve been using this stand as it gets fairly low and gives the rd-88 a pretty good playing height. Also the rubbers guards/stoppers are adjustable so it keeps the keyboard in place.

Hercules KS110B EZ-Lok X-Shaped Single Keyboard Stand

Thanks. I'll check that one out, and perhaps the double-braced one. I think this might actually be an unforeseen problem for some of us when (hope) we get back to gigging.

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Actually I would recommend this stand because the rubbers are adjustable. The width of the RD-88 Is fairly small. The wider the keyboard stand, the harder it is for the rubber to actually grip the RD-88, unless they have a double braced keyboard stand that is slim at the width and adjustable rubbers guards/grips.

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Even though it is an old topic, I will duplicate my question here as well. Maybe it will attract someone’s attention. What piano is good now? What to buy for non-professional use. I mean I play, but for a very close circle of friends. I would like to find some professionals and listen to their feedback. They know the best. I am from California, click site. But I have nobody to ask here.

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I just saw something interesting and unexpected in the manual... you can select a low release point. There is a "Key Off Pos" parameter (adjustable per patch):

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STND (STANDARD) - Note-off will occur at the depth of a conventional piano.
DEEP - Note-off will occur at a deeper position. This is suitable for electric piano sounds

The SV1 had a lower than typical release point, I noticed it made clav playing feel more snappy, and while I wasn't conscious of it, maybe it's part of what makes the EPs play so nicely too. I really like the idea of this as a selectable option.

Another discovery: The RD-88 contains ALL the tones built into the new Fantom, except for the V-Piano and drum tones. (The RD-88 also contains some of its own tones that are not in the Fantom.)

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I have not been wild about recent Roland Rhodes samples however, although I can imagine that the RD 2000 has pretty good Rhodes. Hopefully this transfers over to the RD88.
I haven't tried the RD2000, but I agree about Roland sampled Rhodes sounds... I've never really been taken by them, even in their dedicated SRX EP expansions or the SuperNatural implementations on the Jupiter/Integra. But they do say the RD-88 has "newly developed SuperNATURAL pianos and electric pianos" -- and I hear some promising sounds in the demo at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3myz-8BU3I


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Will be great to play those Fantom tones in the RD-88. Thanks for finding that info, A/Scott.

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And here she is, Zenology:
https://youtu.be/NJqPppkAHSE

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Very interesting. This will be the editor for Zencore sounds....


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Does anyone know if a Yamaha FC7 volume pedal is compatible with the RD88?
thx...

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I don't think so. Generally Yamaha has RTS wiring in exp pedals while Roland has TRS wiring.
www.expressionpedals.com


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Originally Posted by Fleer

The ability to load the SRX-based expansions into the RD88 (and Jupiters) surprised me. I'll be even more surprised if they end up loadable into th AX-Edge, which they've said is going to be updated to support zencore patch exchange compatibility. I wonder how many of the expansions can simultaneously be loaded into each of these models.


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