Outkaster Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Something that seems to be lost: [video:youtube] Quote "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyray Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Great song loved seeing the orange phase 90 sitting on top of the clav. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkost2002 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 yes, that"s musicianship. what happened to them? Quote "I have constantly tried to deliver only products which withstand the closest scrutiny � products which prove themselves superior in every respect.� Robert Bosch, 1919 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursers Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Great vid - I'm not buying that such musicianship is lost however - there's a lot of great acts demonstrating great musicianship at this level. Is there the same ratio of acts at this level? Maybe not. Quote The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doerfler Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Something that seems to be lost: Maybe, but those vocals are fantastic, will span the test of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuruPrionz Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 I disagree, there are lots of great musicians. The song is pretty OK for a marketable pop rock song, it did make it up to 9 on the Top 40. I had effortlessly forgotten completely about this song and band for decades, until this was posted. They never had another hit. Better songs would have made a more solid career. Wouldn't hurt to ask the drummer to be a bit more sparing with his fills, they don't always serve the song. Agree that the singer had a great voice and delivery. Ain't no flies on anybody else either, drummer is solid, groove with the bass is locked. They all had chops and were very tight. They sort of remind me of Toto. I saw them and while they were all solid players, the material was just not that inspiring. Africa and Rosanna were fun but they went on too long... Quote It took a chunk of my life to get here and I am still not sure where "here" is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulf Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Well, while I agree that the band could play, that song might not be my cup of tea. Regardless, I definitely do not agree that "musicianship" (whatever that is) is lost, there are _so_many young talents out there with both skills and taste. And, thanks to the wonders of the Internets, we can now actually find out about them and enjoy their musicianship.These are good times! Quote Rock bottom bass Fakebook Pro Sheet Music Reader - at every gig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outkaster Posted December 27, 2019 Author Share Posted December 27, 2019 yes, that"s musicianship. what happened to them? The two of them are around still. That dude can sing though and his voice is still good all this time later. They actually had some good songs and had ties to the Allman Brothers and the LA scene at the time. Quote "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outkaster Posted December 27, 2019 Author Share Posted December 27, 2019 Great vid - I'm not buying that such musicianship is lost however - there's a lot of great acts demonstrating great musicianship at this level. Is there the same ratio of acts at this level? Maybe not. A band that tight with vocals is a rare thing. That was my point posting the video. I see so much mediocre shit, sometimes at a high levels without synergy. Very few bands are like this in my opinion. Technology is part of the reason. Quote "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threadslayer Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 ] A band that tight with vocals is a rare thing. If only they'd had Autotune! jk Quote Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MathOfInsects Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 A band that tight with vocals is a rare thing. That was my point posting the video. I see so much mediocre shit, sometimes at a high levels without synergy. Very few bands are like this in my opinion. Technology is part of the reason. I see an awful lot of technology on that stage... Quote Now out! "Mind the Gap," a 24-song album of new material. www.joshweinstein.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah DC Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 What"s the theory of change supporting this idea that 'a band with tight vocals is a rare thing' now due to technology? I"d be interested in hearing it out, even though it seems real tenuous/goofy, as evidenced by tons of current bands with tight vocals and plenty of 1970s bands with raggedy off-key harmonies (probably made worse without in-ear monitor technology, by the way). Quote Numa X Piano 73 | Yamaha CP4 | Mojo 61 | Motion Sound KP-612s | Hammond M3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhoh7 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 News flash: when you are old nothing can ever be as tight as it was, I get to say that cause I'm over 60. Are they tight? Tight as a polished cliche. That's the problem. 1977. Two years only from the Chicago Disco Riot. Hippies are so mainstream they have sitcoms. I was just out of high school. The top 40 ruled our radios---(exceptions--yes). The afro was stylish---as it should always have been, and should be now. But you know it's a fake scene because, cute MCs nonwithstanding, Hippies don't wear makeup. For 1977 there is nothing new or fresh in their music, just the opposite. They play well, no doubt. But the future of industrial grooves had already been etched and no Disco riot, or tight Lynyrd Skynard mix was going to stop it: [video:youtube] 2 years after the first video, disco was defamed and branded gay by many of us and Kakehashi's invention, the 808, was about to put big fat grooves on the street corner. A whole new kind of music making appeared. It triumphed without approval from record labels or TV shows. Louis Armstrong was a fantastic musician, but he succeeded because his music broke boundaries. Granted, in a time when live muscians were everywhere, and even in many homes, when sheet music sales were giant. If you want a golden age of muscianship in America, the end date is 1945. Musicians themselves helped kill that age, first with the mid-war strike, and then when Be-Bop clubs stated putting up signs: "No Dancing". Jazz went from a mainstream pulse to elaborate musical poetry for academics to argue over, Louie Jordan, perhaps excepted. Quote RT-3/U-121/Leslie 21H and 760/Saltarelle Nuage/MOXF6/MIDIhub, SL-880/Nektar T4/Numa Cx2/Deepmind12/Virus TI 61/SL61 mk2 Stylophone R8/Behringer RD-8/Proteus 1/MP-7/Zynthian 4 MPC1k/JV1010/Unitor 8/Model D & 2600/WX-5&7/VL70m/DMP-18 Pedals Natal drums/congas etc & misc bowed/plucked/blown instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outkaster Posted December 27, 2019 Author Share Posted December 27, 2019 It's more that a lot of music is born of technology nowadays and musicianship and good vocals are often secondary. I posted the video because it's a rare thing you rarely see anymore. A friend of mine is Beyonce's drummer. How much do you think of her show is actually performed live? You'd be surprised. Noah give me 10 bands now that are really tight, have good synergy and musicianship. 70's bands having raggedy harmonies is an exception not the rule. I am not saying they didn't make mistakes but it seemed to be so much more about music years ago. That's lost on a lot of entertainers now. Quote "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noah DC Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 My feeling is just that folks should be a bit more precise in defining the terms of debate than new vs. old and technology vs. no technology. I probably personally agree with your broad point in the context of a lot of current pop artists like Beyoncé! But it"s dicey to take it so general: the same technology argument was thrown at Herbie Hancock when he did Headhunters, and in the '50s and '60s, jazz giants laughed at the musicianship of rock acts like this ('what, only five chords?') For kicks, here are links to a bunch of incredible live performances by top artists - I tried to pick as many as I could think of off the top of my head who had/have current or recent hits. Again, these don"t 'prove' one point or another, and I totally agree there are exceptions (and examples of poor musicianship) everywhere - that"s why the broader arguments don"t always hold up in the long run. But this is good news for all of us - killer music is still kicking! D'Angelo Kendrick Lamar Quote Numa X Piano 73 | Yamaha CP4 | Mojo 61 | Motion Sound KP-612s | Hammond M3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSS Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 I would add some of the "traditional" Bluegrass / Country/ Folk acts to your list of more recent post-90's acts with high-level vocal harmonies that don't rely on as much technological enhancement as mass-produced contemporary Pop and Nashville material. Here's is one of my favorite examples of a live performance with incredible raw harmony vocals from 2006(?): [video:youtube] Quote Gigs: Nord 5D 73, Kurz PC4-7 & SP4-7, Hammond SK1, Yamaha MX88 & P121, Numa Compact 2x, Casio CGP700, QSC K12, Yamaha DBR10, JBL515xt(2). Alto TS310(2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threadslayer Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 I couldn't find a live version, but the vocals on this one always knocked me out too. [video:youtube] Quote Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuruPrionz Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Nostalgia for the old days needs to be tempered by the reality that most albums had 80% filler. Editing tape was common, so was punching in. Some groups had done their homework or hired in the good stuff - Motown, the Beatles, Elvis with his Jordanaires. The crap has been filtered out and ignored so we end up trying to compare the "least worst" music of days gone by with the barrage of unfiltered music that is offered today. It's sort of like saying that a 1985 BMW 535i is way better than today's last expensive Kia sedan and forgetting about the Yugo. Up here in little Bellingham we have several groups with steller vocal harmonies LIVE, I've seen them. 90,000 people here, there's got to be hundreds or thousands of local bands nationwide who are killing it 3-4 nights a week. 30 years from now, folks will reminisce about the "good old days" and it will be the best of the music of today and there will be lots of great singing and hopefully better songs than the one posted by the OP. Quote It took a chunk of my life to get here and I am still not sure where "here" is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adan Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 I value Outkaster's conributions here (even if sometimes it seems like the world is his lawn and we're all just standing on it). That said, I'm not vibing with the theme of this thread at all. If forced to pick an all-time favorite rock/pop group, I'd probably settle on The Band, and obviously that has little to do with their degree of "polish." They deliberately shunned it. I often lament that I don't spend anywhere near the time and effort listening to new music as I did in my teens and 20's. Unless and until I do that, I can't blame anyone but myself for a failure to appreciate it. Quote Gigging: Crumar Mojo 61, Hammond SKPro Home: Vintage Vibe 64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outkaster Posted December 27, 2019 Author Share Posted December 27, 2019 I value Outkaster's conributions here (even if sometimes it seems like the world is his lawn and we're all just standing on it). That said, I'm not vibing with the theme of this thread at all. If forced to pick an all-time favorite rock/pop group, I'd probably settle on The Band, and obviously that has little to do with their degree of "polish." They deliberately shunned it. I often lament that I don't spend anywhere near the time and effort listening to new music as I did in my teens and 20's. Unless and until I do that, I can't blame anyone but myself for a failure to appreciate it. Well at least The Band could play Adan. I still stand by that video I posted. People will still care about it in 20 years trust me............. Quote "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuruPrionz Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 I value Outkaster's conributions here (even if sometimes it seems like the world is his lawn and we're all just standing on it). That said, I'm not vibing with the theme of this thread at all. If forced to pick an all-time favorite rock/pop group, I'd probably settle on The Band, and obviously that has little to do with their degree of "polish." They deliberately shunned it. I often lament that I don't spend anywhere near the time and effort listening to new music as I did in my teens and 20's. Unless and until I do that, I can't blame anyone but myself for a failure to appreciate it. It's a good discussion, I am glad he posted it. We all like what we like and I've got to give him that. We also all don't particularly like what we don't particularly like and that's OK too. I respect Sanford and Townsend Band for having a hit record and being a clean, tight band. It just doesn't do anything for me, nor do I see it as exceptional. So it goes... I hesitated to mention The Band but they still are one of my all time favorite groups. The songs on the "brown album" are amazing, all of them. Yeah, they do sound "kinda drunk" on purpose but they use it to good effect. Up On Cripple Creek would not be as good without the wino choir. Their harmonies are in tune, just very different voices. Great grooves and Garth Hudson is easily one of the most under-rated keyboardists in rock/pop music. The Last Waltz is a fantastic movie and that shit is real. Quote It took a chunk of my life to get here and I am still not sure where "here" is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJUSCULE Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 You wanna know why they never really made it? Buddy wore his own merch on stage. Kiss of death. Quote Eric Website Gear page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 You wanna know why they never really made it? Buddy wore his own merch on stage. Kiss of death. Does Geddy wearing a Rash shirt count? Quote Moe --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursers Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I just stumbled across this today - a roundup of recent noteworthy music in Australia - there's some good stuff in there: LINK Quote The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJUSCULE Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 You wanna know why they never really made it? Buddy wore his own merch on stage. Kiss of death. Does Geddy wearing a Rash shirt count? I think Rush is the exception on many rules. Quote Eric Website Gear page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Lobo Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 The crap has been filtered out and ignored so we end up trying to compare the "least worst" music of days gone by with the barrage of unfiltered music that is offered today. It's sort of like saying that a 1985 BMW 535i is way better than today's last expensive Kia sedan and forgetting about the Yugo.Exactly. The music I cut my teeth on is the music of the 60's and 70's. Some of that music is the best that's ever been done. But there was also some real crap â a lot of it, maybe much of what was on the radio at the time. But there were also albums by the Beatles, the Stones, Allman Brothers ... Quote These are only my opinions, not supported by any actual knowledge, experience, or expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Nathan Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I'll stay out of the musicianship debate for the moment, but I am wondering, Is there anyone else hanging out here who played this show? I was on in the late 70s, one episode, and all I can remember is Wolfman Jack and the first appearance of Andy Kaufman. I still have the Clav with the faded backstage pass stuck on it though. http://stevenathanmusic.com/stevenathanmusic.com/Galleries/Pages/Long_Ago.html#5 Quote Don't rush me. I'm playing as slowly as I can! http://www.stevenathanmusic.com/stevenathanmusic.com/HOME.html https://apple.co/2EGpYXK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSS Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I spent some time forcing myself to get off of my own old man lawn and I've been pleasantly surprised at what I found. Below are some recent live performances of young acts in the Bluegrass / Folk / Jam Band scene who IMHO compare favorably to the best of the late 60's / 70's material I grew up with in terms of musicianship and vocals: Molly Tuttle: Molly Tuttle and Billy Strings: Billy Strings: I'm with Her and Billy Strings (excellent harmony vocals): String Cheese Incident and Billy Strings: Quote Gigs: Nord 5D 73, Kurz PC4-7 & SP4-7, Hammond SK1, Yamaha MX88 & P121, Numa Compact 2x, Casio CGP700, QSC K12, Yamaha DBR10, JBL515xt(2). Alto TS310(2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montunoman Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Theres plenty of young people with this level and even higher levels of musicianship nowadays, but most of them aren"t on the ' top ten' . Everything is automated now. I wonder how many current charted pop songs have a live rhythm section, horns , strings ..., ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxcvbnm098 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 I'll stay out of the musicianship debate for the moment, but I am wondering, Is there anyone else hanging out here who played this show? I was on in the late 70s, one episode, and all I can remember is Wolfman Jack and the first appearance of Andy Kaufman. I still have the Clav with the faded backstage pass stuck on it though. http://stevenathanmusic.com/stevenathanmusic.com/Galleries/Pages/Long_Ago.html#5 Steve, who were you playing with on the episode you were on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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