CowboyNQ Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 A mate of mine shared this story with me today - I was totally oblivious to this. I found it fascinating. For those similarly unaware - this young chap from the States managed to recruit a band and get himself on a European tour by creating a fake resume, fake booking agency, fake record lable, fake single release and fake talent management company. Link to the very safe BBC website which explains all A well-written article, albeit not a quick read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markay Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Worst part of that story is, if true, Hollywood now want to reward false and deceptive conduct by paying them for their story and making a movie based on it. A misguided plumber attempting to entertain | MainStage 3 | Axiom 61 2nd Gen | Pianoteq | B5 | XK3c | EV ZLX 12P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyRude Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Cool story. This is the world we live in. Not sure what's real and what's fake. Some music I've recorded and played over the years with a few different bands Tommy Rude Soundcloud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MathOfInsects Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I missed this. I am heading off to read the NY Times story mentioned in the article now, but wanted to note that it's pretty hard not to be impressed with the kid's thoroughness and guile, right down to orchestrating his own undoing. I remember seeing a 60 Minutes segment when I was a kid about an actress who was secretly working as her own agent, and the angle was, 'look how resourceful she is in this challenging field.' And of course, our current president Agent Orange famously spent decades as his own fake PR guy via telephone. I don't view this guy as a fake, just as a success at a different endeavor than most people knew he was undertaking. I actually think he's kinda badass in his own weird way. Now out! "Mind the Gap," a 24-song album of new material. www.joshweinstein.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJUSCULE Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Yeah, I saw this on FB a week or two ago. Pretty hilarious. Reminiscent of Tommy Wiseau/The Room, Fyre Festival, or that wild Rhode Island classical festival sham. Eric Website Gear page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MathOfInsects Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Or Joyce Hatto! Now out! "Mind the Gap," a 24-song album of new material. www.joshweinstein.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I thought perhaps it was the title of Steve Perry's new song. When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudyS Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I don't view this guy as a fake, just as a success at a different endeavor than most people knew he was undertaking. I actually think he's kinda badass in his own weird way. Nice way of looking at it Math... Rudy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threadslayer Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I don't view this guy as a fake, just as a success at a different endeavor than most people knew he was undertaking. I actually think he's kinda badass in his own weird way. Nice way of looking at it Math... All well and good. But hubris, hucksterism, and audacity aside, he did pretty well F-over his naïve bandmates. Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MathOfInsects Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 All well and good. But hubris, hucksterism, and audacity aside, he did pretty well F-over his naïve bandmates. Agreed. Though speaking as someone who turned down almost literally the same tour terms four or five years ago (guitar god, ten-day tour of England and parts of Europe, you won't pay but you won't really get paid, other details so similar to this story that I had to keep checking to remind myself it wasn't the same guy)...they pretty well screwed themselves too. They didn't "have it coming" by any means, he clearly conned them. But $30/day for the tour and no other money for anything involved including all those rehearsals? Once you say yes to that, you are an accomplice in your own screwing. Now out! "Mind the Gap," a 24-song album of new material. www.joshweinstein.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 It's too bad a news agency like the BBC ran with this story. There's really nothing here. A guy and his girlfriend con three no-name musicians into rehearsing a few months for a European "tour" promising a whopping $300 payday. The two rent some smallish venues expecting crowds which never materialized. After a few of these non-gigs, the band dissolves. As I read through this, Eames and wife paid for everything. In all, maybe a dozen people bought directly into the con but none, as far as I can tell, were defrauded. Eames has antisocial tendencies and seems to value notoriety above all else. He is one of those Charlie Sheen types who is always "winning." A loss is really a win because that's what I always intended. Yawn. Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keyman27 Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I've played in a number of projects that could be called vanity projects. I bet many of us have. People who are bankrolling their own fantasy rock-band camp experience. They don't want to pay the dues of building an authentic buzz about the music, so they whip up some exaggerated PR material and book some shows where the 'artist' pays the sidemen out-of-pocket. I think this Threatin story is just another example of this kind of thing, but more extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudyS Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I don't view this guy as a fake, just as a success at a different endeavor than most people knew he was undertaking. I actually think he's kinda badass in his own weird way. Nice way of looking at it Math... All well and good. But hubris, hucksterism, and audacity aside, he did pretty well F-over his naïve bandmates. Thats true! Rudy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursers Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 I thought perhaps it was the title of Steve Perry's new song. That was my first thought as well The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaGtGruff Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 In all, maybe a dozen people bought directly into the con but none, as far as I can tell, were defrauded. It sounds like the venues that booked them were sort of defrauded. Yes, Eames presumably paid them something for their troubles, but it was nowhere near what they had expected to make when they booked his "act." And while legitimate artists can have dismal turnouts, I don't know who takes a bath in those cases-- the specific venue, the promoter, the artist, or some combination of the three? In any case, I'm thinking that what Eames put those venues through could be construed as deliberate fraud. Michael Rideout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Motif Max Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Yah, been following it for a few months. Weird. Jerk for conning those musicians but a fascinating story nonetheless. Unless this "exposed" news is also a con. Who knows. :idk Yamaha: Motif XF8, MODX7, YS200, CVP-305, CLP-130, YPG-235, PSR-295, PSS-470 | Roland: Fantom 7, JV-1000 Kurzweil: PC3-76, PC4 (88) | Hammond: SK Pro 73 | Korg: Triton LE 76, N1R, X5DR | Emu: Proteus/1 | Casio: CT-370 | Novation: Launchkey 37 MK3 | Technics: WSA1R Former: Emu Proformance Plus & Mo'Phatt, Korg Krome 61, Roland Fantom XR & JV-1010, Yamaha MX61, Behringer CAT Assorted electric & acoustic guitars and electric basses | Roland TD-17 KVX | Alesis SamplePad Pro | Assorted organs, accordions, other instruments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFosco Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 One aspect of this story I haven't seen addressed anywhere. Is he any good? (I made my own assumption and didn't bother listening, but if anyone put themselves through it perhaps they could enlighten us?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markyboard Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Guess it's only a matter of time before the world discovers I'm not the geek I pretend to be, but rather one of the cool kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markay Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 That will fade into insignificance when they find out you are really the Keyser Soze of the synth world. A new Hollywood remake titled the Unusual Suspect. A misguided plumber attempting to entertain | MainStage 3 | Axiom 61 2nd Gen | Pianoteq | B5 | XK3c | EV ZLX 12P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardware Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 A mate of mine shared this story with me today - I was totally oblivious to this. I found it fascinating. For those similarly unaware - this young chap from the States managed to recruit a band and get himself on a European tour by creating a fake resume, fake booking agency, fake record lable, fake single release and fake talent management company. Link to the very safe BBC website which explains all A well-written article, albeit not a quick read. Id say he has a future in politics too. My son explained how PR Firms can get fake reviews for your products, likes in social media, more money buys more authenticity in comments. Its always about the money, especially when they say it isnt. Magnus C350 + FMR RNP + Realistic Unisphere Mic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveCoscia Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 I knew nothing about this until today. Scary stuff. Thanks for posting. Knowing that a person would do this makes me feel old and out-of touch with what's going on today. The only question is, why? Steve Coscia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pa Gherkin Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Worst part of that story is, if true, Hollywood now want to reward false and deceptive conduct by paying them for their story and making a movie based on it. This. I also agree with Hardware's comments. Yes,Eames got publicity but it takes a special kind of sick neediness to crave being well known as an asshole. I'd like to hear Moonglow's take on this since ,as I recall,he has a professional background in the mental health field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricBarker Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 The twist is that it sounds like that HE orchestrated his own downfall. The first person to publicly call him out was a fake alias of his own making. I guess it's performance art. Andy Koffman would be proud. Not sure what I think. Puck Funk! Equipment: Laptop running lots of nerdy software, some keyboards, noise makersâ¦yada yada yadaâ¦maybe a cat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pa Gherkin Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 The twist is that it sounds like that HE orchestrated his own downfall. The first person to publicly call him out was a fake alias of his own making. I guess it's performance art. Andy Koffman would be proud. Not sure what I think. True,but at least some folks found Kaufman's antics entertaining. Who did this twit entertain besides himself and his wife? Yes it's an interesting story but in the kind of way a car wreck draws the eye. Sounds like a sociopath to me. He takes typical smoke and mirrors showbiz nonsense to an amazing extreme and screws people in the process. How has he not gotten punched out ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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