Iconoclast Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Katy Perry...I know. But interesting that he does nothing but touch keys, everything else is automated. Also that everything is digital EXCEPT the Prophet Rev 2! [video:youtube] Quote You want me to start this song too slow or too fast? Forte7, Nord Stage 3, XK3c, OB-6, Arturia Collection, Mainstage, MotionSound KBR3D. A bunch of MusicMan Guitars, Line6 stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dongna Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Nord Stage 2 used strictly as a MIDI controller... sheesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJUSCULE Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Yeah it's a great rig. Perfect for the gig's needs. This rundown is cool to compare to Dan's Heart rig, Jim's PF rig, or even the Bruno Mars rig. Quote Eric Website Gear page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morizzle Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I was playing in this Electro Pop act, nothing comparable in size to Katy Perry of course, but all the program changes and some filter sweeps for my three keyboards came via MIDI from an Ableton rig. That was a way cool experience - being able to fully concentrate on the playing without having to worry about hitting tiny program buttons on the keyboard panels... Quote It's not a clone, it's a Suzuki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yannis D Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Neat and simple rig, perfect for this situation. Plus, the guy looks super nice (making jokes regarding the pink flamincos and his pink keyboards is considered as a plus) Quote Be grateful for what you've got - a Nord, a laptop and two hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Ty is an awesome dude. We usually connect at NAMM. Quote Keep it greazy! B3tles - Soul Jazz THEO - Prog Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outkaster Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Cool to see under the stage. Sometimes the support system is as interesting as the keyboards. Quote "Danny, ci manchi a tutti. La E-Street Band non e' la stessa senza di te. Riposa in pace, fratello" noblevibes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Really cool clip - wish it had been longer. I'm still curious how the rig works in terms of what's played live vs. pre-recorded. They described the understage area as "playback" and suspect a show like Katy Perry is largely tracked with some live vocals over top of prerecorded vocals, most instruments are tracked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffincltnc Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Wait? She is using pre-recorded tracks??!?!?!? Does that mean she is not really playing the recorder live ? Quote Yamaha U1 Upright, Roland Fantom 8, Nord Stage 4 HA73, Nord Wave 2, Korg Nautilus 73, Viscount Legend Live, Lots of Mainstage/VST Libraries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marczellm Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 There is a video about the Bruno Mars rig? Quote Life is subtractive.Genres: Jazz, funk, pop, Christian worship, BebHop Wishlist: 80s-ish (synth)pop, symph pop, prog rock, fusion, musical theatre Gear: NS2 + JUNO-G. KingKORG. SP6 at church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 A lot of time and $ spent on an elaborate hard disk recorder/playback system. I wonder how good that show would be if the computers went down and he had to rely solely on the Nord and Prophet 6. Quote PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iconoclast Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 I think playback may refer a lot to the midi track playback that controls a lot of non-audio things. Clicks, patch changes, even lighting. I play in a Neil Diamond band where the BL has cues, clicks, video and lights all "tracked". We play the gig with a soundman and no lighting tech and the drummer makes sure the computers are running correctly. Quote You want me to start this song too slow or too fast? Forte7, Nord Stage 3, XK3c, OB-6, Arturia Collection, Mainstage, MotionSound KBR3D. A bunch of MusicMan Guitars, Line6 stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyray Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 A lot of time and $ spent on an elaborate hard disk recorder/playback system. I wonder how good that show would be if the computers went down and he had to rely solely on the Nord and Prophet 6. I think most of us know the answer to that ? Rather just keep a positive vibe and I am sure he is a great player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docbop Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Everything automated is how Pop acts are going these days. Coming from guitar world some Pop acts don't even have amps onstage any more the guitarist with guitar then magic is their guitar tech behind off stage running the modeling amp and pedals. It's all about the show and the onstage musicians are just an illusion of being live and spontaneous. When I got back into recording about a decade ago I attended a ProTools talk and we all had to introduce ourselves and what we do. The one guy said he was Elton John's timer keeper, which everyone kind of looked at him. He explained that Elton's live show everything lights, soundboard, effects, some of the instruments are all running off sync machine like in filmwork and he setup and ran the the timecode generator and responsible for keeping all the sync'd gear insync. Stuff like this is why I'm a jazz cat these days live still means musicians interacting with each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Quote When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJUSCULE Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 There is a video about the Bruno Mars rig? Not a video that I know of, but John Fossitt did a feature with Jon Regen of Keyboard pretty much exactly a year ago. I actually posted Ty's rig rundown in that thread to compare. There's also a link to a great YouTube playlist of keyboard rig rundowns which has since been updated to include Dan's Heart rig, Andy Burton's Little Steven rig, Ricky Peterson's Fleetwood rig, etc. Bruno Keys Rig Thread Quote Eric Website Gear page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reezekeys Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 The show is probably locked to timecode because there are lighting cues synced with exact hit points in certain tunes. I saw this on a Bruno Mars show. Bruno had lots of pyro too (haven't seen a KP show). Of course it's trivial to lock a ProTools session to TC and I'm guessing that BG vox are prerecorded among other audio. Midi sequences with notes & patch changes would be another easy addition to this kind of setup. You could concievably have everything prerecorded with the onstage performers miming, but I'll assume they do leave something for them to do! [edit - an old thread about the Bruno show I opened for: https://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2937241/1. Ty's video was posted there too!] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 A lot of time and $ spent on an elaborate hard disk recorder/playback system. I wonder how good that show would be if the computers went down and he had to rely solely on the Nord and Prophet 6. I'm sure they have multiple redundancy. And Ty is an extremely talented and accomplished musician. He would be fine. Quote Keep it greazy! B3tles - Soul Jazz THEO - Prog Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I'm sure they have multiple redundancy. And Ty is an extremely talented and accomplished musician. He would be fine. No doubt. I'm sure Ty is a capable musician too. It's just amazing how so many *live* performances are computer dependent nowadays. Quote PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Downstairs was multiple laptops, I"m assuming MBP. I"m guessing at least two of those are replicas for redundant MainStage setups. I wonder how they handle backing up the ProTools rig that"s commanding the show - especially if it"s the clock for lighting as well... hmmm? Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 [quote=ProfD It's just amazing how so many *live* performances are computer dependent nowadays. ^^^^ THIS ! lots of "off-stage playback-station" backing tracks operated by crew guy called "tech" "slave to the rhythm" (click) performance ... "standard" rig configuration (being copied from some forerunners already thinking about changing it again) ... "musician" easily replaceable ... (what managers and tech managers always wanted) (see tour rider suitable gear and blacklists of "unmanageable" musicians) A.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboyNQ Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Coming from guitar world some Pop acts don't even have amps onstage any more the guitarist with guitar then magic is their guitar tech behind off stage running the modeling amp and pedals. It's all about the show and the onstage musicians are just an illusion of being live and spontaneous. I play with a guitarist who operates without an amp - he runs an amp sim directly to FOH and hears himself back through a personal monitor. I personally don't see a problem with it, to my mind it's no different when I use the amp sim on board my SV-1. He's most definitely playing live. That said, we were recently setting up for a show and one of the in-house techs was regaling us with a story of a tribute act who mimed their entire performance (apart from lead vocals if I understood correctly). I couldn't actually believe this so I asked the in-house soundy to confirm. He said "yep, they just handed me a USB and said 'play this'". Not sure how one does that with drums! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Downstairs was multiple laptops, I"m assuming MBP. I"m guessing at least two of those are replicas for redundant MainStage setups. I wonder how they handle backing up the ProTools rig that"s commanding the show - especially if it"s the clock for lighting as well... hmmm? Complete show is pre-programmed/pre-recorded incl. backing tracks (all kind of,- can be everything is pre recorded !)... once it runs it runs. It´s like JMJ´s performance at egyptian pyramids which in principle was a "Protools-Show" w/ some musicians play along with. (I know the bass-synth player hired for that show, who later became his MD, so I know and IIRC, he himself mentioned the "Protools-Show" in an interview in a well known music mag) ... anyway ... Everything MIDI clock and other events incl. MIDI Prg.-Changes, filter sweeps and so on are pre-programmed just like you have a recorded project in your DAW waiting for someone push [play]. The keyboard-rig related MBPs w/ Mainstage run as slaves w/ the Protools host computer. I see at least 2 keyboard rigs on stage,- so for each there are 2 MBPs w/ Mainstage. NORD Stage is masterkeyboard-controller only because it´s easier to replace a controller only than replacing a failing keyboard w/ it´s internal sounds (additionally) in use, especially when these internal patches aren´t stock ones. In fact, the target is always to be able to replace everything (musicians included) in a minute (or less) "because the show must go on". So they hire the gear (and paint it pink or whatever ...),- leave the organization for the techs and the musician comes and plays along w/ the backing tracks,- ... and when he makes "problems" ... another one plays THAT rig. That´s it ! I guess there´s also a 2nd Protools-Rig in use to be save and there are clones for all the drives used in Protools rigs as also keyboard-rig´s MBPs. A.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reezekeys Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Years ago I read about a Madonna tour with computers automating her show similarly to this. As I remember, there were two identical computer rigs running in parallel and if the main one crashed, you could instantly switch to the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Nord Stage 2 used strictly as a MIDI controller... sheesh.I use a secondhand Nord Stage Classic as a MIDI controller - it was the cheapest way of getting 76 weighted keys and a MIDI socket. I think Ty's criteria are rather different. Cheers, Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RudyS Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 Complete show is pre-programmed/pre-recorded incl. backing tracks (all kind of,- can be everything is pre recorded !)... once it runs it runs. It´s like JMJ´s performance at egyptian pyramids which in principle was a "Protools-Show" w/ some musicians play along with. (I know the bass-synth player hired for that show, who later became his MD, so I know and IIRC, he himself mentioned the "Protools-Show" in an interview in a well known music mag) ... anyway ... Everything MIDI clock and other events incl. MIDI Prg.-Changes, filter sweeps and so on are pre-programmed just like you have a recorded project in your DAW waiting for someone push [play]. A.C. We do the same, except I am not "midi-ed" to the system. The singer and bass-synth player however are, so all patch changes are MIDI operated. Also we have some LED lights with a programmed show, which is also triggered by MIDI. We use a hardware device though, called uTrack24 from Cymatic audio CLONK. It allows sending 24 channels of audio tracks and midi. Only disadvantage is, it will not play instantly, so looping etc is not possible as one could do in Ableton. I know a lot of musicians think this is cheating, and I had some problems with it myself, but I just see it as a different kind if gig now. Quote Rudy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonnor Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 ...interesting that he does nothing but touch keys, everything else is automated... I've been doing that since 1989. 1st system: Lake Butler RFC-1 & DMC MXâ8 Current: FAMC Liquid Foot+ Mini & Cantabile ~ vonnor Quote Gear: Hardware: Nord Stage3, Korg Kronos 2, Novation Summit Software: Cantabile 3, Halion Sonic 3 and assorted VST plug-ins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABECK Posted August 29, 2019 Share Posted August 29, 2019 And I get excited when I program simple patch changes into SetList Maker! My former piano teacher was a Keyboard player and eventually MD for a massive pop act 20+ years ago. They had a backup of the keys parts running from disk, in case anything went down. In fact, they had his boards going into his monitors, but the pre recorded track going to FOH on his first night. In the middle of a song, he got a message over his headset "your keys are now live FOH." lol...sink or swim brother! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Regardless of the ratio of live vs. Memorex, I would kill for this gig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJUSCULE Posted August 30, 2019 Share Posted August 30, 2019 Regardless of the ratio of live vs. Memorex, I would kill for this gig. Ty looks like the kind of guy who knows a sneaky amount of martial arts, I would be careful going at him... Quote Eric Website Gear page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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