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#2903665 - 01/21/18 02:17 AM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: TKN]
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Originally Posted By: TKN
Still VASE III unfortunately.


Ah yes, there it is at the bottom of the brochure tiny and pixelated, but unmistakable.
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#2903680 - 01/21/18 05:03 AM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: BenWaB3]
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If it's VASE III, that means I'm definitely sticking with my Viscount Legend Live and iPad for EVs (Neo Soul Keys, Ravenscroft 275 and Poison synth) for the foreseeable future when I want to gig with just a dual manual organ.
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#2903682 - 01/21/18 05:34 AM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: FunkKeyStuff]
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#2903684 - 01/21/18 05:59 AM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: FunkKeyStuff]
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No mention of any sonic improvements at all

Maybe improved piano/EP? It mentions "the inclusion of hi-definition acoustic and electric pianos." (Also something about the action feeling different for piano voices, so maybe there's an enhancement there.)

Originally Posted By: FunkKeyStuff
just improved features extra drawbars, ability to split and layer two extra voices, more extra voice memory, more banks of favorites, and an 11-pin jack.

Good features, though. In fact, the inability to have more than one bank of ten Favorites or to do a split/layer where one voice was not an organ were two of my biggest complaints about the SK1. The latter made it pretty useless for LH bass (other than "organ bass"). And more Favorites would be especially nice if you're using the MIDI functionality (i.e. to add more sounds from an iPad or whatever). A second manual without a second set of drawbars always seemed a bit weird to me, and more EV memory is good, and especially since the drawbars didn't send continuous MIDI, the fact that the new second set can is an especially nice MIDI improvement for controlling external sounds, so they are useful enhancements.

I hope they also now support putting the same one EV across both manuals on an SK2... in lieu of 88 keys, I always thought it would be cool to put the piano on both 61s, octave shifted apart.

I had some other issues with the SK, which I'd be pleasantly surprised to see addressed. All the knobs sent out the same MIDI CC (fixed at 6), which was limiting (and kind of weird). You couldn't prevent the expression pedal from affecting a zone (because the min and max settings ranges are too far apart, they don't overlap, so you can't, say, set them both to 127). IIRC, you could not select a different top voice while continuing to play organ uninterrupted on the bottom. And there was some ergonomic/interface stuff... I haven't seen a good pic of the panel yet, maybe some of that is addressed. And when they do bring these enhancements to a 73, of course I want to see the low E and pitch/mod wheels which there is plenty of room for there!
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#2903685 - 01/21/18 06:01 AM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: Jazzooo]
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No pitch bend still.

They did program in a useful pedal workaround for that on the SK1/SK2, though unfortunately it only affected internal voices. It would be nice if they at least added MIDI pitch bend to that same pedal function.
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#2903713 - 01/21/18 08:52 AM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: AnotherScott]
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Yup, VASE III disappointing but predictable. As I said, I can't imagine Hammond will want to cannibalise the XK5 engine yet for fear of undermining that product's sales.

It'll be interesting to see what they've achieved with the extra voices. It's at least useful that they've removed the restriction on combining types of sound (essentially getting one up on the Electro, in one sense at least) but the samples need to have improved dramatically.
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#2903755 - 01/21/18 12:30 PM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: Aidan]
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I'll be honest I'm not so worried about the VASE III, I'm more interested in the ergonomics of the thing. I've had my Electro 4D for a while and 90% of what I use it for is Hammond, but I've come to the limit of what I can do with a single manual and a single set of drawbars. But I also need the extra EP/AP voices for the 10% of the time when I'm bringing it to a jam and someone wants to sing something that needs them. It does all depend if it's priced as a replacement for the SK2 or as a intermediate between the SK2 and the XK5. I can't think they could justify the latter if it's still got the old engine though.
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#2903761 - 01/21/18 01:18 PM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: MorayM]
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Yeah, unless I'm forgetting something, the SKX may be the only 2-manual clonewheel that has 2 sets of drawbars and a piano sound. Seems like a nice niche to have for yourself.
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#2903763 - 01/21/18 01:20 PM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: MorayM]
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True, it's not clear exactly whether "Vase III" means "the exact same sound as previous models." I thought the chorus in the demo video sounded better than the current Sk. And if that's true, then there's hope for the overdrive, which I found to be their biggest weakness.
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#2903769 - 01/21/18 01:43 PM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: FunkKeyStuff]
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Originally Posted By: FunkKeyStuff
True, it's not clear exactly whether "Vase III" means "the exact same sound as previous models." I thought the chorus in the demo video sounded better than the current Sk. And if that's true, then there's hope for the overdrive, which I found to be their biggest weakness.

I agree about the overdrive, and I suspect that the overdrive has nothing to do with "Vase III" which is described as their system of recreating the sound/behavior of the tonewheels (apparently superseded in the XK5 not by "Vase IV" but rather by "MTW"). I'm not sure, but I think VASE III employed phase-locked samples, and MTW is fully modeled.
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#2903778 - 01/21/18 02:32 PM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Yeah, unless I'm forgetting something, the SKX may be the only 2-manual clonewheel that has 2 sets of drawbars and a piano sound. Seems like a nice niche to have for yourself.

The DMC-122 with Gemini is probably the only real competitor on features. It had a big edge being able to have two non-organ sounds at the same time, but Hammond catches up on that feature now.
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#2903783 - 01/21/18 02:56 PM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: FunkKeyStuff]
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I couldn't find specifics on the keybed used, even when squinting my eyes. Is it Fatar or proprietary Hammond like most (but not all) of the XK series?
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#2903787 - 01/21/18 03:06 PM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: Mighty Ferguson]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Yeah, unless I'm forgetting something, the SKX may be the only 2-manual clonewheel that has 2 sets of drawbars and a piano sound. Seems like a nice niche to have for yourself.

The DMC-122 with Gemini is probably the only real competitor on features. It had a big edge being able to have two non-organ sounds at the same time, but Hammond catches up on that feature now.

Ah yes, forgot that one! And as a controller, that's still got the benefit of pitch/mod wheels and aftertouch.
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#2903799 - 01/21/18 04:05 PM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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Originally Posted By: Mark Schmieder
I couldn't find specifics on the keybed used, even when squinting my eyes. Is it Fatar or proprietary Hammond like most (but not all) of the XK series?


Bound to be Fatar. Actually, I think the keybed is one of the best things about the SK series, at least for organ playing. Very nicely balanced.
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#2903829 - 01/21/18 07:09 PM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: Aussie_Chicago]
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Let's hope the SKX has some good pipe organ sounds in it. They're terrible in every other instrument Hammond makes, just like they're terrible in Nord and other drawbar organs. The only drawbar organ, that I've heard, that has good, realistic pipe organ sounds in it, is the Dexivell J7. That would be handy for churches that have a diverse music program.

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#2903831 - 01/21/18 07:11 PM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: Mighty Ferguson]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Yeah, unless I'm forgetting something, the SKX may be the only 2-manual clonewheel that has 2 sets of drawbars and a piano sound. Seems like a nice niche to have for yourself.

The DMC-122 with Gemini is probably the only real competitor on features. It had a big edge being able to have two non-organ sounds at the same time, but Hammond catches up on that feature now.


Too bad the DMC-122 has terrible pipe organ sounds in it. Otherwise it might be perfect for some churches.

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#2903834 - 01/21/18 07:25 PM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: Radagast]
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Let's hope the SKX has some good pipe organ sounds in it. They're terrible in every other instrument Hammond makes, just like they're terrible in Nord and other drawbar organs.

Really, that surprises me... I thought the pipe organs in the SK1 were excellent.
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#2903837 - 01/21/18 07:31 PM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: Radagast]
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Originally Posted By: Radagast
Let's hope the SKX has some good pipe organ sounds in it. They're terrible in every other instrument Hammond makes, just like they're terrible in Nord and other drawbar organs.


I owned a Nord C2 for a while. I thought the pipe organs were very good.
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#2903843 - 01/21/18 09:11 PM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott

I thought the pipe organs in the SK1 were excellent.


From the demos I've heard, I agree, very nice! I was hoping Hammond would expand on that strength in newer clonewheels.
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#2903844 - 01/21/18 09:20 PM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: davedoerfler]
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Pipe organ geekery is as bad as Hammond geekery, but I've never heard great pipe organ sounds on these clones either.

Part of it is that I like German baroque stops like Silbermann organs with lots of chiff and character, and nobody has modelled or sampled these yet.
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#2903848 - 01/21/18 09:51 PM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: mate stubb]
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Everyone's got different tastes for sure. The Dexibell pipe organs are to my ears the worst I've ever heard, outside of the Korg M1.
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#2903852 - 01/21/18 10:26 PM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: Mark Schmieder]
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The Mojo 61 has a physically modelled pipe organ that's not bad. Flutes don't have the character I'd like, and the ensemble is spoiled by a horribly voiced mixture with a loud 1 3/5' component.
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#2903854 - 01/21/18 11:16 PM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: mate stubb]
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"The SKX's keying system replicates the feel of a weighted keyboard when playing piano-type voices, yet remains supple and responsive to every Hammond technique."

Sorry but this sounds like voodoo - or maybe it's the keys from the SK1-88 - and I'm not expecting much of the new extra voices, but hopefully I can load them into my SK2 anyways, any new acoustic piano sample would be an improvement. And I can't quite make out whether the 2 extra voices get two separate fx chains or not?
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#2903862 - 01/22/18 03:50 AM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: niacin]
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Does VaseIII refer to the organ tone or the EVs?
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"The SKX's keying system replicates the feel of a weighted keyboard when playing piano-type voices, yet remains supple and responsive to every Hammond technique."

Sorry but this sounds like voodoo - or maybe it's the keys from the SK1-88 - and I'm not expecting much of the new extra voices, but hopefully I can load them into my SK2 anyways, any new acoustic piano sample would be an improvement. And I can't quite make out whether the 2 extra voices get two separate fx chains or not?


I'd imagine this is just a fancy way of saying "we changed the key response a lot for piano." I wouldn't be opposed to voodoo, however...
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#2903880 - 01/22/18 06:34 AM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: Radagast]
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If I didn't know any better I would think a few of you had already played it the way your are talking.


Edited by Outkaster (01/22/18 06:35 AM)
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#2903885 - 01/22/18 06:51 AM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: Nadroj]
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some SK pipe organs...

This doesn't have the best quality, but I like it for showing the versatility of being able to alter the sound on the fly (start at about 8:45)



and this one...

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#2903889 - 01/22/18 06:56 AM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: OB Dave]
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I wouldn't get your hopes up about the extra voices. Hammond/Suzuki does not have a particularly impressive track record in that department.


Which is fine with me, as I prefer that they stay focused on the authenticity of the Hammond voice.

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#2903897 - 01/22/18 07:23 AM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: Radagast]
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Originally Posted By: Mighty Ferguson
Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Yeah, unless I'm forgetting something, the SKX may be the only 2-manual clonewheel that has 2 sets of drawbars and a piano sound. Seems like a nice niche to have for yourself.

The DMC-122 with Gemini is probably the only real competitor on features. It had a big edge being able to have two non-organ sounds at the same time, but Hammond catches up on that feature now.


Too bad the DMC-122 has terrible pipe organ sounds in it. Otherwise it might be perfect for some churches.


I you want good pipe organ sounds, the one to get is the Dexibell Classico L3 ---- remarkable - plus it has a wide variety of other sounds also, including their wonderful AP.
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#2903899 - 01/22/18 07:26 AM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: AnotherScott]
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Yeah, unless I'm forgetting something, the SKX may be the only 2-manual clonewheel that has 2 sets of drawbars and a piano sound. Seems like a nice niche to have for yourself.


I think it will have a unique position since it has two manuals and a wide variety of sounds....... I am looking forward to hearing the videos.
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#2903900 - 01/22/18 07:27 AM Re: Hammond SKX....new hammond board [Re: teashea]
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There is a lot of discussion about the SKx on the FB Clonewheel group...... Very mixed opinions.
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