mauriziodececco Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 This time is real (according to sound on sound): here Maurizio Quote Nord Wave 2, Nord Electro 6D 61,, Rameau upright, Hammond Pro44H Melodica. Too many Arturia, NI and AAS plugins http://www.barbogio.org/ https://barbogio.bandcamp.com/follow_me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalpozlead Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 hoping for a premium keybed 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mauriziodececco Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 54 minutes ago, dalpozlead said: hoping for a premium keybed 🙂 Especially considering the announced price 🙄😧 Quote Nord Wave 2, Nord Electro 6D 61,, Rameau upright, Hammond Pro44H Melodica. Too many Arturia, NI and AAS plugins http://www.barbogio.org/ https://barbogio.bandcamp.com/follow_me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 https://www.instagram.com/reel/Ctthqn2rnYY/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== 1 Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 They swapped out the Pi for a better one to offer more poly. You can fit an iPad on the right and your taco plate on the left! 1 Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalpozlead Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, ElmerJFudd said: They swapped out the Pi for a better one to offer more poly. You can fit an iPad on the right and your taco plate on the left! I really don't understand why Korg's design choices are so bad.... why so much real state??? this is not an analog synth... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 15 minutes ago, dalpozlead said: I really don't understand why Korg's design choices are so bad.... why so much real state??? this is not an analog synth... Maybe Korg is being generous with real estate considering that an iPad or some other small footprint noise-boxes (modules, groovebooxes, etc.) could be placed on it instead of a stand. The Hydrasynth Deluxe has a generous amount of real estate similarly. 😎 1 Quote PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrythek Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 I agree that the benefits of putting an iPad or other small device on the panel is a good reason. But think about the engineering issues. They wouldn't have likely wanted to lay out a whole new mainboard to spread out the controls more, nor put in the software code/hardware effort to add more control interface. So to add a longer keyboard it ends up like this. Fast to market, little additional cost in man-hours/hardware...and a marketable benefit to tout. 31 minutes ago, dalpozlead said: I really don't understand why Korg's design choices are so bad.... why so much real state??? this is not an analog synth... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Schiller Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 If the price is reasonable, I'm definitely interested. I love my original Wavestate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHarrell Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Franz Schiller said: If the price is reasonable, Should anyone tell him? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHarrell Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 I love the idea of Korg putting out these modern keyboards that highlight a particular type of synthesis--the opsix is the most user-friendly FM interface I've ever seen in hardware--but in execution those boards were the flimsiest, cheapest feeling pieces of musical equipment I've ever touched. I've played Casiotone keyboard from the 80s that were sturdier! When Korg USA was doing the blowout sale for the opsixes last year, I jumped on it, got mine in the mail, aaand, the keybed immediately made a cracking sound and several of the keys were pretty much unusable. For the price they were mostly asking for those boards, the build quality did NOT justify them...so now they're revamping at least one of them, cool, but at THAT price? I really have a hard time believing it'll do good numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjd Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 1 hour ago, jerrythek said: I agree that the benefits of putting an iPad or other small device on the panel is a good reason. But think about the engineering issues. They wouldn't have likely wanted to lay out a whole new mainboard to spread out the controls more, nor put in the software code/hardware effort to add more control interface. So to add a longer keyboard it ends up like this. Fast to market, little additional cost in man-hours/hardware...and a marketable benefit to tout. Jerry has this exactly right. Manufacturers reuse printed circuit boards and components like crazy. None of these products sell in cellphone-like volumes, so cost reduction through reuse is critical. If volume and revenues were bigger, then design of a new layout, etc. would be spread over more units. Comparing the two boxes, it's clear that Korg dropped the original panel board into a larger chassis with a longer keybed. Done. Saw a recent video with Dan Phillips (Korg) who ruefully admitted that RaspberryPi 3 shortages prevented production and release of RPi-based products like the Wavestate. Shortages have no doubt hit the other manufacturers, too. Good to see new products coming out. All the best -- pj Music tech blog: sandsoftwaresound.net 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonnor Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Seems you can't get an internal power supply for less than three grand anymore. 😕 ~ vonnor 1 Quote Gear: Hardware: Nord Stage3, Korg Kronos 2, Novation Summit Software: Cantabile 3, Halion Sonic 3 and assorted VST plug-ins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrythek Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 True enough. And it's not only the cost to put them in. The most significant issue is safety testing and approvals. They can take a long time, and have costs associated as well. And plastic cases make it more difficult, as they don't shield as well for transmissions. In the US, California is the strictest state to pass testing requirements. Jerry 22 minutes ago, vonnor said: Seems you can't get an internal power supply for less than three grand anymore. 😕 ~ vonnor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrythek Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 29 minutes ago, pjd said: Jerry has this exactly right. All the best -- pj Music tech blog: sandsoftwaresound.net Thanks Paul. I've "been around this block" more than a few times... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed A. Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 7 hours ago, ProfD said: Maybe Korg is being generous with real estate considering that an iPad or some other small footprint noise-boxes (modules, groovebooxes, etc.) could be placed on it instead of a stand. The Hydrasynth Deluxe has a generous amount of real estate similarly. 😎 I think it's more that Korg would have had to spend the money to re-design and re-machine the panel layout if they changed it from the original. Because they didn't, the end result is all that awkward space on both sides. It would have looked better if they moved the control panel left, like in an Access Virus or Clavia Nord Lead. Reminds me of when I was a videographer, don't shoot your interview subject dead center, offset them to the left or right (rule of thirds). It looks better to the eye. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Emm Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 The MoDWave & Opsix are fine specialty synths, whereas the WS is more like an enhanced ROMpler. That's part of why it got the upgrade: broader familiarity with more people. I'm well-satisfied with WS Native, but $2K for the SE seems fair. I say use the editor for heavy lifting and use the OLED for more immediate things when you're playing. The amount of sheer stuff going on makes programming feel almost FM-like at times. I'm curious about the keybed, too. I hope it beats the original klackity model. BTW, the inclusion of release velocity makes up for the lack of poly aftertouch, in my view. Its great for strings, but also for wads of synth situations. Say, how many of you have dropped anything into a user-sample slot in a synth? I've been pleased by my results in Alchemy, but it requires a lot more planning than the usual patch tweaking. It could be wild, applied to a Wavestate lane of its own. Quote “The joy of dogs is that they free us of our own undignified existence, our self-consciousness and inhibitions; our self-imposed hindrances to pleasure; our unwillingness to be embarrassed, exposed, or vulnerable.” ~ Alexandra Horowitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 I think it is interesting that the three models can share programming. Makes me feel better since I have the original. The MKii 37-key is not a bad price at $699. Quote This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 3 hours ago, RABid said: The MKii 37-key is not a bad price at $6.99. I believe both the original WS and WS MK2 cost 100x more.😁😎 Quote PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 9 hours ago, ProfD said: I believe both the original WS and WS MK2 cost 100x more.😁😎 Oops. Fixed. Quote This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 The Wavestate SE and Platinum will cost 3X more than the smaller WS. 🤔 IMO, a metal build and 24 additional keys should not result in such a significant price hike. 😁 While the Korg Wavestate SE has s different workflow from a Korg Nautilus, if similarly priced, the latter is a better KB. YMMV.😎 Quote PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephonic Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 61 keys with aftertouch? Yes please! Bummer they ditched their signature joystick for wheels, but I think the original WaveStation had that as well. As for the price of the SE, I think this is set to compete with Jupiter X and Juno X. And the $1999 includes a hard case, too. Estimated shipping date Oct 13 for preorders... Quote local: Korg Nautilus 73 | Yamaha MODX8 away: GigPerformer home: Kawai RX-2 | Korg D1 | Roland Fantom X7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 The original Wavestation did have a joystick in addition to wheels, but the joystick was not designed for pitch bend. It had a gritty feel and no spring. It was designed to morph sounds. Quote This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephonic Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Right, just like the Wavestate Quote local: Korg Nautilus 73 | Yamaha MODX8 away: GigPerformer home: Kawai RX-2 | Korg D1 | Roland Fantom X7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 21 hours ago, David Emm said: Say, how many of you have dropped anything into a user-sample slot in a synth? I've been pleased by my results in Alchemy, but it requires a lot more planning than the usual patch tweaking. It could be wild, applied to a Wavestate lane of its own. IMO, that lane feature is the most tempting aspect of a Wavestate. I couldn't get past the keys on the 1st Wavestate and therefore, didn't get to fully explore manipulating my own samples using the lanes. But, from using the onboard sounds in lanes, I could hear cool sonic and composition potential of it.😎 Quote PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnector Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 8 hours ago, ProfD said: The Wavestate SE and Platinum will cost 3X more than the smaller WS. 🤔 IMO, a metal build and 24 additional keys should not result in such a significant price hike. 😁 While the Korg Wavestate SE has s different workflow from a Korg Nautilus, if similarly priced, the latter is a better KB. YMMV.😎 Shipping costs are through the roof these days. It's twice the size and heavier than the 37 note model. That'll drive the cost up. Still seems like a hefty price increase though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Mike Metlay Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 You know, the fact that they have released new versions and changed nothing but the keybed, polyphony, and sample importing, gives me some encouragement to go back and finish my video series about the original. (If only to watch dB's face when I actually go through with it.) mike 1 2 Quote Dr. Mike Metlay (PhD in nuclear physics, golly gosh) Musician, Author, Editor, Educator, Impresario, Online Radio Guy, Cut-Rate Polymath, and Kindly Pedant Editor-in-Chief, Bjooks ~ Author of SYNTH GEMS 1 clicky!: more about me ~ my radio station (and my fam) ~ my local tribe ~ my day job ~ my book ~ my music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Emm Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 6 hours ago, zephonic said: 61 keys with aftertouch? Yes please! Bummer they ditched their signature joystick for wheels, but I think the original WaveStation had that as well. As for the price of the SE, I think this is set to compete with Jupiter X and Juno X. And the $1999 includes a hard case, too. Finally, someone who seems to LIKE the thing. A lot of people are trashing it like a movie reviewer who hates movies. I dropped my software Wavestation because of the instrument's building-a-ship-in-a-bottle OS. The Wavestate Native version is basically the Wavestation I'd design if I had a magic wand. As with a DAW, there's no overstating the huge leap it represents to have everything in front of you. Quote “The joy of dogs is that they free us of our own undignified existence, our self-consciousness and inhibitions; our self-imposed hindrances to pleasure; our unwillingness to be embarrassed, exposed, or vulnerable.” ~ Alexandra Horowitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 If I had GAS for a 61 key synth, the choice that Brother ProfD mentioned would not be an easy one: Nautilus 61 key - More sound engines, currently $1699 (so lower cost) at several stores, but no aftertouch Wavestate SE - "Just" the Wavestate engine, but has aftertouch and the joystick too, even some panel space to put an iPad, my car keys, or whatever Thank goodness I continue to be GAS free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHarrell Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 15 hours ago, David Emm said: Finally, someone who seems to LIKE the thing. A lot of people are trashing it like a movie reviewer who hates movies. I dropped my software Wavestation because of the instrument's building-a-ship-in-a-bottle OS. The Wavestate Native version is basically the Wavestation I'd design if I had a magic wand. As with a DAW, there's no overstating the huge leap it represents to have everything in front of you. Putting it in software was the best decision they made. I love the Wavestation plugin, can't imagine how cool the Wavestate is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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