ElmerJFudd Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 ^^^ +1 Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miden Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 ............I would much prefer a mediocre but authentic performance to charades, but I am clearly in the minority. jeez I hope you are not! I have the same sentiment! Had they simply turned off all the music at this show and just let her do A Capella, she would have nailed it I reckon! But with all that other crap (and crowd noise) going on, well, it would have been tough! Even Adele would have struggled! There is no luck - luck is simply the confluence of circumstance and co-incidence... Time is the final arbiter for all things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Song80s Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 admit it. You still think she is cute Why fit in, when you were born to stand out ? My Soundcloud with many originals: [70's Songwriter] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr88s Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 ............I would much prefer a mediocre but authentic performance to charades, but I am clearly in the minority. jeez I hope you are not! We must be. If there wasn't a demand for "perfect" performances, we wouldn't be fed these pre-recorded shenanigans. We would probably also let our singers just sing, and not expect them to be doing aerobics simultaneously. This is why I find it easy to dismiss a lot of popular artists now. I question anybody's talent because you are never sure that what you're hearing is real. I had a really hard time getting over the reports that Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers' halftime act at one of the Superbowls was prerecorded; these are bona fide top-notch medicines that I have respected for years... Nord Stage 2 Compact, Yamaha MODX8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 We might also find emotion - the entire range, in singers natural imperfections. Their use of vibrato, when they breath (which so often gets edited out now). Even sharpness or flatness as being in the moment, being human, experiencing life. I see little reason for great singers to be pressured into using auto tune, the lip sync to compete. It's a tool designed to match the pretty face to the great voice which is a gift, a rarity. It's Photoshop for the voice. I think the women (and men) of the world look just fine as they are - maybe health and fitness are part of the profession. But let's enjoy our uniqueness for a change. Even in the digital world. We used to enjoy our sports without performance enhancing drugs. Healthy erectile-functioning people enjoyed sex without Viagra too. Now if you want to compete you need an edge. It's a pity. YMMV Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MathOfInsects Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 I had a really hard time getting over the reports that Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers' halftime act at one of the Superbowls was prerecorded; these are bona fide top-notch musicians that I have respected for years... This is a common reaction, but don't forget: the body of work that you have respected, is already duct-taped and airbrushed and edited and spliced and mixed and mastered and refined and obscured; it's just hidden from you, pre-release. The artists may learn the "fake" way to play their own songs, making them "real" once they perform live, but there's nothing any more authentic about an album cut, than there is about a pre-recorded live performance. We just don't tend to see the process, and therefore we are more inclined to trust the output (or rather, not to feel fooled by the same level of sleight-of-hand). Now out! "Mind the Gap," a 24-song album of new material. www.joshweinstein.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Yeah I get it. Digital art is art too. If you've seen a Marvel movie or Disney's new Jungle Book - the motion detection stuff with computer animation. Remarkable. The hand drawn stuff is beautiful too. It's not like our banter here is going to reset time and technological advancement - put the genie back in the bottle per se. But, there will hopefully always be artists and audiences who can discern between live and memorex. And maybe the way the pendulum swings, the kids 3 or 4 generations from now will reject the gloss and get raw again. Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr88s Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 This is a common reaction, but don't forget: the body of work that you have respected, is already duct-taped and airbrushed and edited and spliced and mixed and mastered and refined and obscured [...] I think that most people understand that studio cuts are highly engineered, overdubbed finished products. I go to concerts fully expecting paired-down arrangements and imperfect harmonies; music is hard and real music is often imperfect. The problem as I see it is that more and more people are expecting CD quality from live music so it's being provided to them artificially. A lot of this is related to the fact that much of modern pop was not conceived of to be replicated live in the first place. Nord Stage 2 Compact, Yamaha MODX8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MathOfInsects Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 The problem as I see it is that more and more people are expecting CD quality from live music so it's being provided to them artificially. A lot of this is related to the fact that much of modern pop was not conceived of to be replicated live in the first place. Can you put a rough time-frame on your use of the term "modern" here? Now out! "Mind the Gap," a 24-song album of new material. www.joshweinstein.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Maybe more to do with the public's aversion to seeing siblings, children, etc. succeed where their famous family member did prior. Well, Homer and Marge are a tough act to follow. Ummm...Lisa is the musician. Hello...? dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Professional Affiliations: Royer Labs • Music Player Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antimatter Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 She could have gotten angry and blamed people, went millionaire diva... , but she let it roll, and just said happy new year. I think her focus was on visual, and she succeeded. Man, this has been a nutty year, I hope 2017 is better. Happy new y ar all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr88s Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Can you put a rough time-frame on your use of the term "modern" here? Sorry. Poor choice of words. I'd say that statement applied to a lot of pop from the last five years. Nord Stage 2 Compact, Yamaha MODX8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammondDave Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 "I'm trying to be a good sport here...". Really Mariah? Or are you just being an unprofessional jerk? For those who complain about syncing tracks being off... maybe we should just forgo the entire live appearance and just show the video. It seems so dishonest to lip sync a performance. '55 and '59 B3's; Leslies 147, 122, 21H; MODX 7+; NUMA Piano X 88; Motif XS7; Mellotrons M300 and M400’s; Wurlitzer 206; Gibson G101; Vox Continental; Mojo 61; Launchkey 88 Mk III; Korg Module; B3X; Model D6; Moog Model D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MathOfInsects Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Can you put a rough time-frame on your use of the term "modern" here? Sorry. Poor choice of words. I'd say that statement applied to a lot of pop from the last five years. Just to push.... Would you say Sgt Peppers and Pet Sounds were designed to be played by live bands? Now out! "Mind the Gap," a 24-song album of new material. www.joshweinstein.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just to push.... Would you say Sgt Peppers and Pet Sounds were designed to be played by live bands? Not designed, but Pet Sounds was played live in its entirety extremely successfully. How? They used as many live musicians as they needed, and rehearsed for a year. Moe --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 This is amazing really. [video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5cuI5NTKVk Moe --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markay Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Yep and having seen Brian and band live 9 months ago doing some of the songs from Pet Sounds the music was superb and while, due to the ravages of his personal journey I guess, his vocals were not quite right, I would not go again if it were anything other than live. A misguided plumber attempting to entertain | MainStage 3 | Axiom 61 2nd Gen | Pianoteq | B5 | XK3c | EV ZLX 12P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joegerardi Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 It's live music. She can't stick a finger in her ear because she has high dollar custom mold IEMs. LOL Her ears are full. I'm glad she still sings a live vocal track. Really? Why? Were they stapled in, or hadn't she been thoroughly trained by a battery of experts on the complicated procedure of how to reach up, and take it out? ..Joe Setup: Korg Kronos 61, Roland XV-88, Korg Triton-Rack, Motif-Rack, Korg N1r, Alesis QSR, Roland M-GS64 Yamaha KX-88, KX76, Roland Super-JX, E-Mu Longboard 61, Kawai K1II, Kawai K4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammondDave Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 She deserves all the scorn and ridicule she is receiving. Blaming it on the sound guys is classless. Even if they were at fault, you go out there and be a pro. Not a whining little... '55 and '59 B3's; Leslies 147, 122, 21H; MODX 7+; NUMA Piano X 88; Motif XS7; Mellotrons M300 and M400’s; Wurlitzer 206; Gibson G101; Vox Continental; Mojo 61; Launchkey 88 Mk III; Korg Module; B3X; Model D6; Moog Model D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr88s Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just to push.... Would you say Sgt Peppers and Pet Sounds were designed to be played by live bands? Fair enough. Those were certainly the minority, though. Nord Stage 2 Compact, Yamaha MODX8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammondDave Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just to push.... Would you say Sgt Peppers and Pet Sounds were designed to be played by live bands? Fair enough. Those were certainly the minority, though. Please do not mention Mariah Carey in the same breath as the Beatles and Beach Boys.... '55 and '59 B3's; Leslies 147, 122, 21H; MODX 7+; NUMA Piano X 88; Motif XS7; Mellotrons M300 and M400’s; Wurlitzer 206; Gibson G101; Vox Continental; Mojo 61; Launchkey 88 Mk III; Korg Module; B3X; Model D6; Moog Model D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammondDave Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 After Mariah Carey's pathetic statement that the producers "set her up to fail".... "To suggest that DCP would ever intentionally compromise the success of any artist is defamatory," a statement from Dick Clark Productions reads. Following Mariah Carey's troubled performance on Dick Clark's New Year's Rockin' Eve with Ryan Seacrest, the singer's manager, Stella Bulochnikov, has issued a statement to Billboard. Carey's headlining set, leading up to midnight, went downhill when she got to Emotions" and We Belong Together," during which she said she could not hear through her in-ear monitors. "We told them [the stage managers] that the in-ears were not working 10 minutes before the performance," Bulochnikov says. "They then changed the battery pack, and they were still not working on the frequency four minutes before the show. We let them know again, and they just kept counting her down and reassuring her that they will work as soon as they go live, which never happened at which point she pulled them out but could not hear the music over the crowd." She continues: "After the show, I called [Dick Clark Productions'] Mark Shimmel and I said, 'What the f happened?' He said, 'Let me call you back,' then called me back and confirmed the in-ears were not working and asked if I would make a joint statement. I said, 'No way.' I asked him to cut the West Coast feed. He said he could not do that. I asked him why would they want to run a performance with mechanical glitches unless they just want eyeballs at any expense ... It's not artist-friendly, especially when the artist cut her vacation short as a New Year's Eve gift to them." BWR-PR's Nicole Perna, a rep for Carey, previously told Billboard that "production set her up to fail." But a production source told Billboard that Carey "had ample time to rehearse and chose not to," instead using a body double to rehearse in her place earlier in the day and that at the time, "all was working" on the technical side. Dick Clark Productions also provided a statement Sunday evening, refuting the claims from Carey's camp: "As the premier producer of live television events for nearly 50 years, we pride ourselves on our reputation and long-standing relationships with artists. To suggest that dcp, as producer of music shows including the American Music Awards, Billboard Music Awards, New Years Rockin Eve and Academy of Country Music Awards, would ever intentionally compromise the success of any artist is defamatory, outrageous and frankly absurd. In very rare instances there are of course technical errors that can occur with live television, however, an initial investigation has indicated that dcp had no involvement in the challenges associated with Ms. Careys New Years Eve performance. We want to be clear that we have the utmost respect for Ms. Carey as an artist and acknowledge her tremendous accomplishments in the industry." '55 and '59 B3's; Leslies 147, 122, 21H; MODX 7+; NUMA Piano X 88; Motif XS7; Mellotrons M300 and M400’s; Wurlitzer 206; Gibson G101; Vox Continental; Mojo 61; Launchkey 88 Mk III; Korg Module; B3X; Model D6; Moog Model D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr88s Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 ^^^ Quite literally "he said, she said". Nord Stage 2 Compact, Yamaha MODX8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Reminds me of the Super Bowl year with Ashly Simpson and Kelly Clarkson. The singers could not hear themselves in the monitors. Ashley fell apart. Kelly put a finger in her ear and sang louder. This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meta Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Just to push.... Would you say Sgt Peppers and Pet Sounds were designed to be played by live bands? Fair enough. Those were certainly the minority, though. The Beatles tribute band I'm in does perform Sgt. Peppers live (the title track and several other tracks). While I grew up playing brass instruments, among others, I perform the brass parts on keyboard. Is that cheating? :^) I also do keyboard brass for "Got To Get You Into My Life" - just like McCartney's live band does. Is his band cheating? :^) Thankfully my new year started without any distractions from Dick Clark productions, their cheesy host, and their typical parade of annoying contrivances doled out between overdoses of equally cheesy commercials. Any lip sync errors were probably the least of their problems... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Production failure in a complex high RF environment. It happens. Big whoop. It was song not open heart surgery. Haters are gonna hate. "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delaware Dave Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 It seems so dishonest to lip sync a performance. That's how Soul Train rolled for years.... 57 Hammond B3; 69 Hammond L100P; 68 Leslie 122; Kurzweil Forte7 & PC3; M-Audio Code 61; Voce V5+; Neo Vent; EV ELX112P; GSI Gemini & Burn Delaware Dave Exit93band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slowtraveler Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Quite literally "he said, she said". IMO, the saddest, most unprofessional aspect of this whole pig-f*** is the orgy of whinging and finger-pointing occurring among the various participants in its aftermath. It's a circular firing squad--nobody is looking good here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAMEGZ Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 there is a discussion over on the livesound forum on reddit about the same thing with comments from some one supposedly working the sound that night. the consensus: the IEMs failed for whatever reason songs 1 and 3 had high part vocals and harmony, two was a complete lip sync for whatever reason the sound guy did not fold back the tracks into the wedges, whether Carey could even hear them if they were there is unknown comments were made about the dancers hitting all the cues, consensus was that minimal music bass/rhythm were in their wedges and they performed from that music Ms Carey did not make the rehearsal, again that would not have allayed the IEM failure, but she would have known the cues head over there if you like to read a perspective from their POV HERE SpaceStation V3, MoxF6,PX5S,Hammond-SK2,Artis7,Stage2-73, KronosX-73,MS Pro145,Ventilator,OB DB1,Lester K Toys: RIP died in the flood of 8/16 1930 Hammond AV, 1970s Leslie 145, 1974 Rhodes Stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammondDave Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 So technology fails us again. Remember that when you welcome driverless cars and trucks onto the roads. '55 and '59 B3's; Leslies 147, 122, 21H; MODX 7+; NUMA Piano X 88; Motif XS7; Mellotrons M300 and M400’s; Wurlitzer 206; Gibson G101; Vox Continental; Mojo 61; Launchkey 88 Mk III; Korg Module; B3X; Model D6; Moog Model D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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