stoken6 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 "Sure, we can do Handbags and Gladrags. What key do you want it in?" "B six" "B six?" "That's right" Answers on a postcard to the usual address... Cheers, Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Lobo Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 ??????? These are only my opinions, not supported by any actual knowledge, experience, or expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markay Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Basic guitar sans theory should be mandatory for keyboard players. That would be Bm6/G AKA as G to keyboard players. A misguided plumber attempting to entertain | MainStage 3 | Axiom 61 2nd Gen | Pianoteq | B5 | XK3c | EV ZLX 12P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marczellm Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 how does that make sense? Life is subtractive.Genres: Jazz, funk, pop, Christian worship, BebHop Wishlist: 80s-ish (synth)pop, symph pop, prog rock, fusion, musical theatre Gear: NS2 + JUNO-G. KingKORG. SP6 at church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I'm struggling to understand the lead guitarist's occasionally inaccurate chord charts at the new church I'm playing at. When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xKnuckles Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 :idk My guess is that maybe the guy simply looked at the first chord and thought the flat in Bb looked like a 6........ "Turn your fingers into a dust rag and keep them keys clean!" Bluzeyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DulceLabs.com Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Did you happen to be playing with IMRT? He could have meant: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51DnfnQypsL._AC_UL320_SR172,320_.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 "I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck "The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboyNQ Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 "Sure, we can do Handbags and Gladrags. What key do you want it in?" "B six" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawback Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 :idk My guess is that maybe the guy simply looked at the first chord and thought the flat in Bb looked like a 6........ Was the next song in F-Hashtag? ____________________________________ Rod Here for the gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16251 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 B6 = two B3's AvantGrand N2 | ES520 | Gallien-Krueger MK & MP | https://soundcloud.com/pete36251 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real MC Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Horsesh!t. Established notation theory has been present for decades, every musician have been trained on it for decades. Indolence on a guitar player's part to learn notation that has standard in the industry does not justify the rest of us learning a new language on our part. I'm tired of guitar players who are too damn lazy to learn theory and notation, and then re-invent the wheel and browbeat that their system should be followed by the rest of the world. Rant over, had to get that out of my system... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Linguini Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Sounds like this new church group is a collusion of musical outcasts from parallel universes. You've got a bunch of real prizes in there. D-10; M50; SP4-7; SP6 I'm a fairly accomplished hack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricane hugo Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 count yourself lucky that it wasn't a D6: [video:youtube] http://blip.fm/invite/WorkRelease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobP2 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 B6 = two B3's Boom! I play with one band who give out the setlist with the key of each song on...which most of the time is the first note of the song....other times it seems totally random...like F# for something in A...I take my own list... Remember - you can make a record without an organ on it, but it won't be as good www.robpoyton.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51DnfnQypsL._AC_UL320_SR172,320_.jpg EmergenB? When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Sounds like this new church group is a collusion of musical outcasts from parallel universes. You've got a bunch of real prizes in there. It's my cross to bear in life. Heavy sigh. :idk When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveMcM Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Basic guitar sans theory should be mandatory for keyboard players. That would be Bm6/G AKA as G to keyboard players. Or possibly basic theory should be mandatory every guitar player. Wm. David McMahan I Play, Therefore I Am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Lobo Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I'm just a weekend warrior hacker, but I can't imagine playing even with amateurs, let alone a gigging band, where the players don't know basic music theory like chord names and what key a tune is in. If I was playing with people who said a tune was in F# when it's really in A, I would immediately correct them. If they can't get it right, I'd be outta there. In order to play music with other people, we have to be able to speak the same language. If people don't understand what key a tune is in or how chords are named, it's like trying to have a musical conversation with someone who only knows Indian ragas ... in a rock band. These are only my opinions, not supported by any actual knowledge, experience, or expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotiDave Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Handbags and Gladrags is a lovely piano piece. I'd never heard it but I learned it about a year ago for some schmuck diva lead singer dude who cobbled together a huge cluster-f*** "All Star Jam" charity show with him as the diva singer for a birthday bash in his honor. the cluster was 30 guitar divas, 10 bassists, 5 drummers, and me ... he's actually a nice and cool guy. i kid about the schmuck. but he is a diva, they all are but he schmucked that song because after I took time to learn it he dropped it from the sets just before the show. so i'm left playing stuff like Come Together or All The Young Dudes, which is cool but not as fun as Handbags to play. ok, rant over. hey thanks for startin a new rant thread today, guys - that was fun. I like that song, anyway. The baiting I do is purely for entertainment value. Please feel free to ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MathOfInsects Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I'm just a weekend warrior hacker, but I can't imagine playing even with amateurs, let alone a gigging band, where the players don't know basic music theory like chord names and what key a tune is in. If I was playing with people who said a tune was in F# when it's really in A, I would immediately correct them. If they can't get it right, I'd be outta there. In order to play music with other people, we have to be able to speak the same language. If people don't understand what key a tune is in or how chords are named, it's like trying to have a musical conversation with someone who only knows Indian ragas ... in a rock band. I actually get a fair number of song lists in professional contexts where the "key" listed is whatever the first chord is. I can usually guess that they're wrong, but a simple email usually clears up any questions before the gig. I don't usually find the "amateur"/"professional" thing very informative. There are careful and educated amateurs (who maybe just happen not to play well enough to make the leap), and there are sloppy and haphazard professionals (who maybe just happen to play so well that their shortcomings don't hurt them that bad). The trick is just to make sure you have whatever information you need to do the best job possible. Now out! "Mind the Gap," a 24-song album of new material. www.joshweinstein.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-missRichardTee Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I agree I have known many pros, who I would be happy not to work with again I prefer to work with the better part of the professional musician pool.. and not having the term amateur would just make it all the more difficult to cherry pick. You don't have ideas, ideas have you We see the world, not as it is, but as we are. "One mans food is another mans poison". I defend your right to speak hate. Tolerance to a point, not agreement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
area51recording Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Handbags and Gladrags is a lovely piano piece. I'd never heard it but I learned it about a year ago for some schmuck diva lead singer dude who cobbled together a huge cluster-f*** "All Star Jam" charity show with him as the diva singer for a birthday bash in his honor. the cluster was 30 guitar divas, 10 bassists, 5 drummers, and me ... he's actually a nice and cool guy. i kid about the schmuck. but he is a diva, they all are but he schmucked that song because after I took time to learn it he dropped it from the sets just before the show. so i'm left playing stuff like Come Together or All The Young Dudes, which is cool but not as fun as Handbags to play. ok, rant over. hey thanks for startin a new rant thread today, guys - that was fun. I like that song, anyway. I used to gig with a guy who did this all the time.....I'd show up for a gig and there would be another keyboard player, 2 or 3 guitarists (in addition to him, he played REALLY crappy acoustic rhythm guitar), two drummers, a percussionist, 2 or 3 chick backup singers and a couple of horns.Also you had some guys in the band that had been playing for years standing next to guys that had been playing for months. All this and he wanted to wing stuff like Steely Dan tunes with no charts.....I uninvited myself from participation after a couple of gigs..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 My guess is that maybe the guy simply looked at the first chord and thought the flat in Bb looked like a 6........ And xKnuckles wins this round - B flat is the right answer! Although for all you geetar-knocking types, he was actually a singer. Anyway, they decoded the B flat, decided to do it in A instead, and also throw in a sax solo (now that the baritone would conveniently be playing in F# instead of G). Go figure. Cheers, Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted March 23, 2016 Author Share Posted March 23, 2016 30 guitar divas, 10 bassists, 5 drummers He obviously liked Phil Spector, but was looking for something a bit less intimate? Cheers, Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markay Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Horsesh!t. Established notation theory has been present for decades, every musician have been trained on it for decades. Indolence on a guitar player's part to learn notation that has standard in the industry does not justify the rest of us learning a new language on our part. I'm tired of guitar players who are too damn lazy to learn theory and notation, and then re-invent the wheel and browbeat that their system should be followed by the rest of the world. Rant over, had to get that out of my system... Agree, but I have yet to find a way to suggest that in friendly way. I do my own charts and only comment if it sounds wrong in rehearsal and then I pick up a guitar and play the chord I think it is. I find that many self taught guitarists try to teach themselves a little bit of theory with some well intentioned but occasionally bizarre outcomes. A misguided plumber attempting to entertain | MainStage 3 | Axiom 61 2nd Gen | Pianoteq | B5 | XK3c | EV ZLX 12P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotiDave Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 30 guitar divas, 10 bassists, 5 drummers He obviously liked Phil Spector, but was looking for something a bit less intimate? Cheers, Mike. watching this clusterfab of 30 guitar divas (yes, they were equally divish) bump one another on and off stage, 2 to 4 at a time, every 3 or 4 songs, so they could overplay their bits (because they only had 4 songs or so each so gosh darnit they were gonna make it count!) almost was worth the price of attendance. from an audience point of view, it was just a trainwreck of a show. i found it all rather amusing. only later did i realize the reason i was the only keyboard player is because most keyboard players are smarter than this. The baiting I do is purely for entertainment value. Please feel free to ignore it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Towns Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Hi, Thanks to xKnuckles for solving the mystery, and thanks to Drawback for the belly-laugh !!! Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Williams Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I know that they weren't the first to record it, but I loved the arrangement done by Chase. Seems to me it was a bit higher than B6, maybe D-Pound. -Tom Williams {First Name} {at} AirNetworking {dot} com PC4-7, PX-5S, AX-Edge, PC361 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ledbetter Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 Basic guitar sans theory should be mandatory for keyboard players. That would be Bm6/G AKA as G to keyboard players. Theory should be mandatory for guitar players. Then they could call themselves musicians. And Bm6/G = a G major triad (decrypted)? Are you kidding? Kawai KG-2C, Nord Stage 3 73, Electro 4D, 5D and Lead 2x, Moog Voyager and Little Phatty Stage II, Slim Phatty, Roland Lucina AX-09, Hohner Piano Melodica, Spacestation V3, pair of QSC 8.2s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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