EscapeRocks Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Teaser pic for now. More later and a writeup as I move along. http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/rotatetier2_zps32f4bc93.jpg David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timwat Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 David - the REAL question is: Rotating along WHICH AXIS? (c'mon - you know you want to say vertical, not horizontal.....) .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 [video:youtube] Moe --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJUSCULE Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I hope you've got some Rudess-style hydraulics in there! Eric Website Gear page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DulceLabs.com Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 I will be following this thread. David's projects never disappoint! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 I hope you've got some Rudess-style hydraulics in there! If I wanted to spend the $$$$ for that I'd hook up with his stand builder Notice the use of old 2nd tier risers. This is very much a "use what you have at home" project, with the exception of the metal stock you see. The rotating part is a metal piece rated to 400lbs from an old metal bar stool. More later. David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobadohshe Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Been thinking hard on this one as well. Interested in that swivel stand that people have posted about a couple times over the past couple years. Just seems like a bear to haul. But rotating even 90º during a keyboard solo would look so bitchin. Kawai C-60 Grand Piano : Hammond A-100 : Hammond SK2 : Yamaha CP4 : Yamaha Montage 7 : Moog Sub 37 My latest album: Funky organ, huge horn section https://bobbycressey.bandcamp.com/album/cali-native Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Bobby, that's primarily how I'm going to be using it. It can go 360degrees if I want, but mostly I'll be doing what you describe. With the snake I use, I am able go two full 360s in each direction. The cables will be coiled in the center and hidden. The entire stand base will be covered from floor to rotating assembly. The stand will be in two pieces for transport: base/rotating plate and the keyboard rack. The rack attaches to the rotating plate with four bolts and wing nuts for ease of assembly and tear down. This is the kind of stuff that happens when I have two weeks between shows David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricane hugo Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 [video:youtube] http://blip.fm/invite/WorkRelease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyMoe Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Dave, very interested as well....... Montage 7, Mojo 61, PC-3, XK-3c Pro, Kronos 88, Hammond SK-1, Motif XF- 7, Hammond SK-2, Roland FR-1, FR-18, Hammond B3 - Blond, Hammond BV -Cherry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Dave, very interested as well....... I have to pick up some more hardware pieces tomorrow, then I'll start my usual photo essay. Maybe even a video of it turning. David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeyMoe Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Very cool.... Montage 7, Mojo 61, PC-3, XK-3c Pro, Kronos 88, Hammond SK-1, Motif XF- 7, Hammond SK-2, Roland FR-1, FR-18, Hammond B3 - Blond, Hammond BV -Cherry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 [video:youtube] Hugo, that is a very cool stand. However, very $$$$ (as expected based on the tech in it), then there's the shipping charge from Belgium to the United States. I've made the inquiries with this builder before. So far I've spent $65 on parts for my stand David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 Alright, here we go. Rotating keyboard stand, the home-brew method. Disclaimer, this is based on using my two lightweight keyboards. Privia PX350, and either my Krome 61, or MOXF6. Now then, being the resourceful recycler that I am when it comes to projects, I began eyeballing one of my old heavy duty metal barstools the other day. "I wonder how it works?" So I turn it over, and discover the solid steel plate that is the mechanism. The legs are bolted to one side, and the sitting surface to the other. I Svengle bar stool parts, and come upon pages and pages of these things. I am able to get a company name off of the plate I have and look it up. Rated to about 350lbs. Excellent. Then my brains goes to work.. How am I going to do this? Then it hits me: perforated boxed steel channel. Lowe's here I come. I purposely buy two sizes. 3/4" i.d., and 1-1/4 " i.d. More on that later. The channel tubing comes in 3ft lengths. Perfect for the base section. I lay them both out on the rotating plate and attach them with 1/4-20 bolts and wing nuts. http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/final1_zps97530140.jpg http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/final2_zps9adbdead.jpg I leave both those pieces 3 ft long. Physics and stability is the reason (moment, p-factor when spinning, etc..) To the top of the base steel will be the 1-1/4 i.d. channel. I cut these down to 18". That was fun. Hacksaw.. Here they are cut to length and ready to go http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/final3_zps902fb8fe.jpg Bolted on. The longer side (to the right) is the front where the PX350 will sit. http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/final4_zps44c0609e.jpg For the second tier, I took apart my x-stand. I then used it's hardware and added a lock washer inside and attached it to the rear cross member. This puts is at exactly the right height for my keyboards. http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/final6_zps48413a89.jpg http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/final7_zpse051173d.jpg If you wanted to raise the 2nd tier, you could add another cross member running left to right and use the entire 2nd tier assembly. The way I have it, the top board sits level and at the perfect height. http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/final5_zps515a3852.jpg I still need to paint everything. It will be black. The base of the "bar stool" will be shrouded with black opaque material. The cables will be hidden in there. I will also be adding no skid material, like on the tri-bars from Apex stands. As I mentioned earlier, I can go two full turns each direction before the cable gets twisted. There is enough friction in the rotating plate, that the keyboards don't turn while playing. You need to want it to turn to move it. A light touch is all it takes to turn, yet it stays in place where you leave it while playing. Also, now that all the cross members are fully tightened down, all I need to do is remove the wing-nuts from the base, and I have two pieces for easy transport. [video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rcwLaPQ8pE&feature=youtu.be Eventually I will be having a friend weld the cross members together. For now, it's plenty strong. I'll have more pics later of the finished product. Peace David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Nice! I use wheels like a skateboard to move around on stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 Nice! I use wheels like a skateboard to move around on stage. I thought of that too, but never could figure out a stable system for my setup. Thanks! David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 David, I think I want to try that next time I see you. I'm not big on that kind of thing, but it does look like fun. "I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck "The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJUSCULE Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Wow, really stable David! Your rig has taken a whole new look in the last little while! Eric Website Gear page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 Another note. For my FC3 and FC7 sustain and expression pedals I am using 3ft extension cables so there's no stress on the cables even turning the rig. The PX350 is MIDI'd to the MOX, so that's cool. The audio snake is 20ft and also has two MIDI lines. David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieP_MechE Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Very cool, David. It will look great once it's painted. And c'mon, put a slip ring in there! You know you wanna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Dan Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 This would be a great application for wireless audio/midi. Add slip rings for AC power and you could endlessly spin. Dan Acoustic/Electric stringed instruments ranging from 4 to 230 strings, hammered, picked, fingered, slapped, and plucked. Analog and Digital Electronic instruments, reeds, and throat/mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 You think I haven't researched that? I have part numbers and design specs on how to make a similar stand to Lawrence Gowan's of Styx. For now I'm good with this. It's not an every-venue stand, as at some places there's not quite enough room to squeeze behind the rig. But yeah, that would be cool. Baby steps. David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dockeys Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 I love these threads! You wouldn't think of running your cables down through the legs of the stool, assuming the legs are hollow? Yamaha MODX8, Legend Live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickzjamm Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Every body loves a spinner, great work!!! Now how can I spin the guitarist"s amp around? ;0) You don't know you're in the dark until you're in the light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FJR Posted February 2, 2014 Share Posted February 2, 2014 Every body loves a spinner, great work!!! Now how can I spin the guitarist"s amp around? ;0) Won't matter, depending on the amp, noise spews from the back too!! I sit behind the guitarist in one of the groups I play with, and give thanks for IEM's!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted February 2, 2014 Author Share Posted February 2, 2014 Here's a couple more pics. Stand with no keys: http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/rotatemore2_zps98f38f39.jpg http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/rotatemore3_zpsc5efafe6.jpg I added a couple angle brackets up front to secure the PX350. A protection in case I grab it too hard to spin, so I don't end up launching the piano off the stand. http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/rotatemore_zps558ffa8e.jpg I have used JB Weld to "Weld" the bolts in place that hold the stand to the rotating plate. All I need to do is remove the wing nuts for disassembly. Yes, I bought lots of backup wingnuts for the gig bag "What about your microphone?" I will be using an On-stage Stands KSA7575. http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/31rb2zAbAL_SY300__zps0ac0a06c.jpg It fits into the back of the 2nd tier arms. This is also the reason I used 1-1/4" i.d. square tubing for the keyboard support. Most all attachments like this are designed for minimum 1" i.d. tubes, round or square. Well, it's time to paint. Nothing fancy. Rustoleum flat black. More pics when I'm done As an aside, for those of you who remember them, this is like playing with my old Erector Set when I was a kid. So thankful my dad taught me about tools and let me do projects with him. David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted February 3, 2014 Author Share Posted February 3, 2014 Here's one of the four bolts JB Welded to the rotating plate. http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/bolt1_zpsd7d97e5f.jpg Flat black paint just applied to the frame. After this fully cures I will be spraying on a rubberized bedliner "paint" in flat black to the top two rails that hold the PX350. This and the two small angle brackets will keep things from sliding around when I turn the stand. http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/DSC01002_zps65567f94.jpg Next up is assembling the lightweight shroud that covers the entire base and hides the cable. Again, for those playing the home game, this has been all done with simple hand tools. Nothing fancy. A socket wrench with a couple size sockets, and a hacksaw to saw the one rail down to size. This is more of a project to see if I could do it with things on hand, and minimal parts expense. So far so good. More as I progress to next stages. (shroud, cable tie/routing, mic stand adapter) David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miden Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 Hugo, that is a very cool stand. However, very $$$$ (as expected based on the tech in it), then there's the shipping charge from Belgium to the United States. I've made the inquiries with this builder before. So far I've spent $65 on parts for my stand Totally agree ER - on a par with those ones made in the US, SolidStand I think, it was going to cost about $700 to ship out here (Oz) on top of the $1400(Oz $) at the time to buy it. I am following your thread with keen interest...more to see if an up/down can be incorporated. Sometimes I have gigs where they need mellow "lift" music at the start, but then ramp it up later where standing is just so much more dynamic and gets more energy going! Having a stand that would rotate and lift up and down would be perfect! Thanks for making your experiments with this public, it is appreciated! There is no luck - luck is simply the confluence of circumstance and co-incidence... Time is the final arbiter for all things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyMary Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 what's this JB weld? Is this anything like Propoxy (plastic epoxy for metals)? Is it really that sturdy so you don't need a nut? this is amazing project by the way. I just love this kind of DIY. (building a custom stand myself these days will post if it's ever finished) Stage: MOX6, V-machine, and Roland AX7 Rolls PM351 for IEMs. Home/recording: Roland FP4, a few guitars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Paxton Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Since no one else has said it yet... The rotating stand is cool and all, but I really think it would end up being cheaper and less hassle to just get a real Leslie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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