Mr. Mojo Risin Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 The new Korg synth is called the Wavestate. Description from Kraft Music "The Korg Wavestate represents the next step in Wave Sequencing synthesis, originally introduced by the legendary Wavestation. Using Wave Sequencing 2.0 and gigabytes of raw samples, Wavestate delivers astonishing, ever-changing sounds with extensive hands-on control. Wavestate's extensive modulation capability includes Vector control of its four layers, while onboard effects and modeled filters, including MS-20 and Polysix, add additional sound-shaping character. The compact form-factor, with 37 full-size keys, transports easily and fits neatly into any setup." Here is a sound demo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Grace Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 ...And here too: [video:youtube] Best, Geoff Quote My Blue Someday appears on Apple Music | Spotify | YouTube | Amazon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursers Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 My first reaction is: I definitely want to have a play of this baby. Quote The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhoh7 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 My reaction is: all that horsepower and no way in. Can't load your own samples. Unbelievable oversight in 2020. Quote RT-3/U-121/Leslie 21H and 760/Saltarelle Nuage/MOXF6/MIDIhub, SL-880/Nektar T4/Numa Cx2/Deepmind12/Virus TI 61/SL61 mk2 Stylophone R8/Behringer RD-8/Proteus 1/MP-7/Zynthian 4 MPC1k/JV1010/Unitor 8/Model D & 2600/WX-5&7/VL70m/DMP-18 Pedals Natal drums/congas etc & misc bowed/plucked/blown instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Keys Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Can't think what use I'd have for that. If I were a DJ needing 1 finger trigger options maybe it would be useful? Quote Yamaha YC73 Korg Kronos2 61 Yamaha CP88 Roland Jupiter 8 Roland JX3P Roland D50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Song80s Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Not having sample memory and related processing control and storage might be a cost consideration. My guess is Korg wanted to hit a price point. They are smart at this- the under $1000 synth niche, which is large and growing. At $799, I think Korg is going to sell a lot of units. Quote Why fit in, when you were born to stand out ? My Soundcloud with many originals: [70's Songwriter] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucktronix Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Quite honestly, I don't see any use for it. If I want a Wavestation type sound, I have it in my Kronos.. along with the ability to add your own samples. I'll pass Quote Kronos 88 Platinum, Yamaha YC88, Subsequent 37, Korg CX3, Hydrasynth 49-key, Nord Electro 5D 73, QSC K8.2, Lester K Me & The Boyz Chris Beard Band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Song80s Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 I don't immediately see the Wav State in a cover band. Or a funk/soul band. But if it appears in commercial pop songs, that would suggest all the production studios are getting it. from there, it takes off. I looked at the Wav state . No way it could fully perform in Kronos. Kronos could handle a certain % of Wav state processing. It would be a good experiment how far one could push Waveseq combis in Kronos until getting clicks and pops. Quote Why fit in, when you were born to stand out ? My Soundcloud with many originals: [70's Songwriter] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 At $799, I think Korg is going to sell a lot of units. For sure. Plus many more features and controls than the original Wavestation had. Quote When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Song80s Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 has no AT [?]. A typical non feature these days Quote Why fit in, when you were born to stand out ? My Soundcloud with many originals: [70's Songwriter] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Can't wait to try this in person too. Keys are apparently full size, contrary to other recent small-keyboard offerings from Korg. MIDI response to polyphonic aftertouch should be fun with Osmose as the MIDI controller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konaboy Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 fast thoughts, sounds fantastic but so did the wavestation ex i owned. That cost about $250 and had 61 keys and pro build quality. but these old units are plagued with whining deteriorating lcd screens and you have very little in the way of realtime control other than the vector stick. so, this would be a lot more fun and useful for realtime control during performances. what's with the name? did korg lose the rights to wavestation? wavestate sounds silly, and why discard such an iconic brand name? i'm concerned about the keys, wavestation is about splits and layers, playing bass, arps, pads and leads in a live performance. fabulous on a 61 with aftertouch but not so much on 37. biggest competition to the wavestate is probably korg's excellent wavestation VST, which is $50 and regularly on sale for $25. that's a great option if you want all the sounds and vastly improved editing. Quote hang out with me at woody piano shack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Wavestation EX may have had more keys but the Wavestate has a lot more knobs for realtime control. It'll be fun setting up splits/zones between this baby and the Osmose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timwat Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 I'm going to guess that keeping the shorty key length makes it comfortable for Korg to MSRP this at $800, whilst perhaps not so much at 61? Agree with others, my first blush was "this sounds great, not sure I have a use for it, certainly not in wedding band land" - but we sure have a lot of options for wedding band land, don't we. Seems like this paired with Osmose (as GovernorSilver suggests) would be an interesting toolkit for a horse of another color project. Quote .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Emm Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I heart Korg overall (& use the Legacy Wavestation), so I like this thing. Its easy to set it next to Roland's new Fantom X-m synth and see several similarities, including the power of being each company's Best Of sounds in a box. I find the display a bit small for the work load, but I could live with that for the great leap ahead of the breakout lanes. You can do all of this in software more readily, but its a pretty good design if you want the means right above the keys. I find the recent mild anti-DAW wave amusing, so I'm sure this will please people who want things in hardware. You have to accept some menu-diving if you want the benefits of the second layer under the panel. That's nothing new. A lot of it will depend on how many people crack not the utter depths of it, but that first player's level, where its >relatively< simple and fun. Its a smart mutation of the Mini/Prologue instruments. Some people once maintained hefty 19" racks of modules. Now, it seems just as likely that you can see a controller, three synths like this one and an iPad. Multitimbrality and a smaller foot print beats a giant prog stack that bakes the house. Sorry, but my eyes and back matter more than pretending I was ever going to be the next Eddie Jobson anyway. (Spoiler: I'm not.) Quote An evangelist came to town who was so good, even Huck Finn was saved until Tuesday. ~ "Tom Sawyer" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I"m going to throw out the possibility they do a giggers/players/pro version of this with full 61k synth action like they did with the 'logues'. Pro and mini. Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Song80s Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I will be interested once I can import my Tony Bennett vocal samples Quote Why fit in, when you were born to stand out ? My Soundcloud with many originals: [70's Songwriter] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Schmieder Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I'm really confused. People talking about short keys etc. yet the specs say full sized keys. And it looks like that too, but it can be hard to tell for sure in perspective/angled shot. It even looks like maybe a bit of heft e.g. semi-weighted vs. crappy unweighted keys. Nice sound overall, but I have no real use for this sort of stuff anymore; especially for gigging. Still, it will be fun to try in a store just to see for sure. Nice to have more control than the Wavestation EX. Quote Eugenio Upright, 60th Anniversary P-Bass, USA Geddy Lee J-Bass, Yamaha BBP35, D'angelico SS Bari, EXL1, Select Strat, 70th Anniversary Esquire, LP 57, Eastman T486, T64, Ibanez PM2, Hammond XK4, Moog Voyager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H. Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 [video:youtube] I just put my right hand in that position over a keybed that just happens to be right next to my couch, and these are definitely full sized keys. But it could be a bi#ch to play anyway. Check out that Eb... the back of the key isn't going down one bit in relation to the front. I dunno... to me the original Wavestation was a synth more suited for soundtrack and ambient guys. So far this sounds like the same sort of thing - exciting to some I'm sure, for me not as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Verelst Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 When I think back on the time my first commercially bought synthesizer came into my late teen/early twen room halfway the eighties, I get a similar feeling as with this one: a bit nice, certainly some attention to detail, musically usable sounds, but why does it remind me of the shortcuts I used in my own synth building and not give me those grand sounds and circuitry that excites me? The synth was a (Korg, obviously) Poly800, and it had one filter. Two DCO's per 4 voices was ok, the envelopes could actually work, chorus usable, but ONE FREAKING FILTER, ugh, that machine eventually got traded in, that was for sure! I don't know about this one for youthful people looking to play with synthesizers, presumably for *musical* purposes: probably it's ok? T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael_I Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I can remember touching a Korg Wavestation in the music store for the first time. I had no idea what it was, how it worked, or anything. It was just cool, made sounds I'd never heard before and was impossibly expensive. A few years later, I bought my first synth - a Korg 01/W.... Now, many years, and many synths later, I can't say this has the same affect. Mostly because it looks fiddly. The UI looks very menu driven - I never use step sequencers, etc. It will make a great synth for someone else, I think. But I am glad to see Korg innovating. John Bowen (of Solaris fame) was involved in this, and I'm sure it will make a lot of great music in the right hands. I await the Osmose... (and the new firmware for my Non-Linear Labs C15 just announced for NAMM). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Wow. A major step up from my Wavestation SR. I like it. Quote This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Schmieder Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 I reviewed the 10 minute intro video in more depth tonight (I had only skimmed it previously), as well as freeze-framing for some better looks at the control surface, and it seems clear this beast is primarily aimed at loop-based music, like a hyped-up Electribe. And at that, it seems to be top in class. Probably not foir me though. But it definitely has an analog sound in spite of being digital, and likely will sit well with a band mix or other synths. Quote Eugenio Upright, 60th Anniversary P-Bass, USA Geddy Lee J-Bass, Yamaha BBP35, D'angelico SS Bari, EXL1, Select Strat, 70th Anniversary Esquire, LP 57, Eastman T486, T64, Ibanez PM2, Hammond XK4, Moog Voyager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tucktronix Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 I don't immediately see the Wav State in a cover band. Or a funk/soul band. But if it appears in commercial pop songs, that would suggest all the production studios are getting it. from there, it takes off. I looked at the Wav state . No way it could fully perform in Kronos. Kronos could handle a certain % of Wav state processing. It would be a good experiment how far one could push Waveseq combis in Kronos until getting clicks and pops. I wouldn't be looking to replicate Wavestate functionality in a Kronos. It's good for what it does, just a lot of functionality that I don't have any use for. FWIW, I bought a Wavestation EX in '94 and have gigged with it for 10 years. The organ in it sounded pretty darn good. Quote Kronos 88 Platinum, Yamaha YC88, Subsequent 37, Korg CX3, Hydrasynth 49-key, Nord Electro 5D 73, QSC K8.2, Lester K Me & The Boyz Chris Beard Band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardware Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 I took the plunge because I"ll be modifying mine. The keys detach easily then I"ll shave off the excess and let the Physis K4 automate this. I finally heard the samples isolated and will be able to have fun with this live. Won"t need the percussion synced/tempo sounds but have plenty of ideas I want to incorporate. If I don"t like it I"ll sell it as the WaveState Desktop. Somebody else out there probably shares my dismay for 3 octaves. Quote Magnus C350 + FMR RNP + Realistic Unisphere Mic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 I played with the Wavestate this morning before the show floor opened and had a ball. It sounds killer and the expansion of the original Wavestation vector synthesis concept, with multiple lanes and such, is fantastic. I have two gripes: 1) the keybed sucks and 2) I wish it was a full 61 keys. I'll still get one because sonically it's a lot of fun, but I really do wish it had a better keybed. Quote Keep it greazy! B3tles - Soul Jazz THEO - Prog Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Thanks Jim, really appreciate your thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hardware Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Just read a review about designing sounds has limitation on Computational power. That"s good news because I"ve such excellent results with recent hardware Effects. I found for Keyboards a perfect totally automated set up using a Meris Hedra, Chorus, Pitch Shift, Reverb and Delay pedal with a Strymon Timeline. Strymon can do reverb and delay, so bouncing around with these two ADSP 21469 based pedals means no FX on soft synths and samples, and none on hardware. More power for bigger sounds in and out of the box. After I hack it it will be roughly 3' x 13' x 24' in width. I"ll stick a VESA Adapter and mic stand like I do with my USB 3 powered monitor. You can see that right above the K4. Works great, run the USB into and out of the K4"s multiple ports. No more crying about clones from me. I"ll be too busy making custom presets. Quote Magnus C350 + FMR RNP + Realistic Unisphere Mic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 Great photo. The dream lives on! Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad’Dib Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 I am sure KORG will eventually make a 61 key wavestate. After all, that"s what they did with the Minilouge. Hence the Prolouge 8 & 16. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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