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#2914682 - 03/13/18 10:52 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
With a 6 operator software FM synth on board is it possible to import FM patches? Or if you don’t want to open that to users. Could GSi add additional sound patches later? What patches have already been included? Any pads and strings?


No, the FM synth inside the Seven (and Gemini) was made to recreate only the E.PIANO1 patch, that uses DX7's algorithm n.5. The other 8 variations are different uses of the same algorithm.

A quote from the manual:
"This instrument has only one parameter, which offers 9 variations of sound using the same algorithm, among which we also find an
organ, a brass section, a bass and a marimba, of course all with that FM taste that is not actually focused at realism."

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#2914687 - 03/13/18 11:16 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Adan]
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Which MKS model and patch are we talking about? MKS 20 ? I am very familiar with them from the old days. Also, Is the Vibraphone based on the MKS 20 or what?

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#2914689 - 03/13/18 11:44 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: John Lee]
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Originally Posted By: John Lee
I know people hear things differently but I listened to the acoustic piano audio demos on the Crumar site and thought they sounded great.



I'm leaning in your direction. For my application (electric band), the fullest and most gorged gorgeosity of 13 foot long grand piano is rarely appropriate. Rather colorful uprights that cut work better.

I hear a little midrange peak I would like to cut with EQ in the Seven samples, but I think it would happily fulfill the role that I used to use the MKS-20 Piano 3 for.

And remember how far the Mojo organs have come since the VST days. This piano will only get better and better. Guido is one of the most talented programmers I know.
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#2914691 - 03/13/18 11:56 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: mate stubb]
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I like the expressive quality I hear in the AP.

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#2914693 - 03/13/18 12:24 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Jazz+]
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Is there a US release date set for the Seven?

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#2914698 - 03/13/18 12:42 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: MojoGuyPan]
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If you mean ship date, I believe that if the first batch are not already on their way that they will be very shortly.

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#2914699 - 03/13/18 12:44 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: mate stubb]
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Originally Posted By: mate stubb
And remember how far the Mojo organs have come since the VST days. This piano will only get better and better. Guido is one of the most talented programmers I know.


+1

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#2914700 - 03/13/18 12:48 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Jazz+]
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Could someone please point me to the wurlie demo?
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#2914739 - 03/13/18 03:32 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: HammondDave]
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Originally Posted By: HammondDave
Could someone please point me to the wurlie demo?


Wow, what a coincindence! I was just about to upload a new demo video to YouTube and the focus this time is the Wurly ;D

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#2914787 - 03/13/18 08:26 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: ZioGuido]
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Very good Wurly sounds, Imo.
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#2914802 - 03/13/18 10:01 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Jazz+]
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I ordered a Seven. I'd been getting ready to buy a dedicated clone, either a Mojo or a Legend, then along comes the Seven and it really looks like a good base for my funk band rig. My Vox Continental isn't the best as a Hammond Clone, but it's more than adequate.

I'm past the point where I want to carry a weighted keyboard between home and rehearsal, so the Korg Grandstage will probably be my rehearsal room board while the Seven does home and gig duty. Or maybe it will be the other way around. Will be interesting to compare them.

I know the Seven will sound good, and I know I can get along fine with the TP100 action because I've done it before. What I really dig is the form factor -- flat top and attaching legs. A rare case of retro=functional.
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#2914804 - 03/13/18 11:17 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Adan]
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I am stoked, and ponying up. Are there any clav demos?
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#2914830 - 03/14/18 04:56 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Adan]
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Originally Posted By: Adan
I ordered a Seven. I'd been getting ready to buy a dedicated clone, either a Mojo or a Legend, then along comes the Seven and it really looks like a good base for my funk band rig. My Vox Continental isn't the best as a Hammond Clone, but it's more than adequate.

What's prompting you to select your Vox over your VR09 to be the board to put above your Seven? I think you gave the VR the edge as a clonewheel; and as much as you like the VC's EPs, you'd be using the Seven for that (and AP). Is it mostly the look and/or operational ergonomics? Or are there certain important sounds for you that you feel the VC does better than the Roland? If so, which?
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#2914840 - 03/14/18 05:58 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Tonysounds]
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It does look like fun - it’s wrong for 95% of my gigs but I know there are others where this is right up their alley paired with the Mojo and/or a synth. I’d like to have it at home and forget about acquiring all the instruments that inspired it (I also liked the concept of the Zarenbourg for similar reasons but it’s way too expensive). A lot less time and space consuming and obviously more economical. The action would be consistent rather than hit or miss. Although there is a digital tendency to turn over instruments for something newer as tech advances. Will the hardware platform they chose be enough to run new and improved models? The acoustic piano model I realize is included at this time as ancillary - but as Guido spends brain cycles on it (assuming there is a soft spot in his heart for the sound of a fine acoustic piano) it could be improved. Plus the 9th engine is sample playback - so anything they’d like to include is possible.
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#2914844 - 03/14/18 06:03 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Aussie_Chicago]
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Originally Posted By: Aussie_Chicago
Crumar is an Italian company , so my thinking on this is they have created something that gives a vibe of playing an electric piano on stage or home . Remember, most of us live in areas where rhodes or wurlies are pretty easy to come by , in many areas of the world, these instruments are not easilly accessible , as well as techs to work on them.
If you notice, a lot of effort has gone into creating clonewheels, its not co-incidence that most of these companys are european based , its not easy to go buy a B3 like it is here in the States . Im thinking this theory also applies to the Seven.

This instrument may appeal to some, but may not appeal to all , but having options to suit what you want is good , I applaud Crumar for this concept .
Sometimes, it not just about the sound , but the overall vibe of playing an instrument.


hi

IMHO you got the point, that's it .

In Europe, Rhodes, wurlitzer, clavinet are rare, expensive, and don't speak about the specialized tech. ...
as for example, in France a Rhodes in good shape are sold between 1900 & 2500€ , wurli. 200A about the same....
when you know that there is only a handfull of specialiszed techs in the whole country, i let you guess their cost of work when you need some maintenance.


Seven being announced at 1899€ , it's cheaper than a Rhodes in decent shape , and to me, Crumar Seven will sell decently in europe , it's price being decent. ( Not like my Zarenbourg which costed me around 3000€ :-) )
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#2914847 - 03/14/18 06:13 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: Adan
I ordered a Seven. I'd been getting ready to buy a dedicated clone, either a Mojo or a Legend, then along comes the Seven and it really looks like a good base for my funk band rig. My Vox Continental isn't the best as a Hammond Clone, but it's more than adequate.

What's prompting you to select your Vox over your VR09 to be the board to put above your Seven? I think you gave the VR the edge as a clonewheel; and as much as you like the VC's EPs, you'd be using the Seven for that (and AP). Is it mostly the look and/or operational ergonomics? Or are there certain important sounds for you that you feel the VC does better than the Roland? If so, which?


I got the Roland specifically to be a rehearsal board. The Roland keybed is an obstacle to playing at a performance level even for organ. I'd use it in a pinch, but would much rather be on the VOx.

I can put the VR on the back of my motorcycle going to rehearsal. If it falls off, I'd be bummed but not nearly as much as the Vox.
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#2914848 - 03/14/18 06:31 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Adan]
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The Roland keybed is an obstacle to playing at a performance level even for organ. I'd use it in a pinch, but would much rather be on the VOx.

Ah. So maybe the VR-730 would have filled the bill with its better-than-VR09 action. But if 61 keys is all you need, the VC is a whole lot smaller and lighter. Plus you already have it. ;-) I have to say, the retro vibe of the VC over the Seven should look pretty cool.
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#2914856 - 03/14/18 07:01 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: AnotherScott]
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Well, i really don't know, but my OB-6 continue to insist that he would be happy to rest on top of a Seven.

While i really appreciate the Seven form factor, it just do not fit my main use case, that is going to a gig/rehersal using the parisian metro, with my piano on my shoulder; that why a couple of years ago i choose a NE5HP, that perfectly fit the need (that are very specific, no car, no driving license, and a yearly metro subscription).

But still, my OB-6 really want a new friend :->.

Maurizio

PS: another point of view: it is great to see a product like the Seven coming out from a region with such a long tradition in musical instruments ! (my region, by the way).
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#2914862 - 03/14/18 07:17 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: mauriziodececco]
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I don't think you want to upset your OB-6. The choice is clear!

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#2914869 - 03/14/18 07:34 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: ABECK]
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ZioGuido: What’s the depth of the top flat surface, will a Mojo61 rest securely on top without further support? Tempted.....

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#2914878 - 03/14/18 08:00 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Kurt W]
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I had wondered about that also (back on page 2) and there are a couple of front facing photos available on FB but nothing showing the overhang. Would be good to know if there’s enough support there. And what about the weight bearing strength of the legs?
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#2914895 - 03/14/18 08:36 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Kurt W]
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ZioGuido: What’s the depth of the top flat surface, will a Mojo61 rest securely on top without further support? Tempted.....


The flat zone is 19,5 cm deep (7,7"). The Mojo 61 has the rubber feet very close to the edges, so I can put it on top of the Seven by leaving the edges outside, in a way that it sticks out just enough not to overlap the Seven's panel. It is safe, but you'd have to use some soft material (possibly a rubber pad) between the two instruments otherwise there will not be enough friction to keep the Mojo61 stable and also the screws underneath the Mojo61 will scratch the beautiful Seven hood grin

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#2914897 - 03/14/18 08:47 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: ZioGuido]
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This is great news, exactly what I had in mind!

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#2914900 - 03/14/18 08:52 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: kenheeter]
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I'm pretty sure Moe could stack 3 Sevens (a 21 if you will) on top of each other, possibly with a clavinet on the top. I've seen his old pics. Quite the stacker, he was. wink

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#2914938 - 03/14/18 11:15 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: ABECK]
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@Tony - 1:48 of the Crumar Seven Built in Demo Songs on the Seven product page has a short clav section.

I can also say that the clav on my Mojo 61 is pretty outstanding. It models all the EQ and pickup switches.
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#2914946 - 03/14/18 11:43 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: mate stubb]
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Originally Posted By: mate stubb
I can also say that the clav on my Mojo 61 is pretty outstanding. It models all the EQ and pickup switches.

The two different whammy bar-type pitch bends using the rotary switch buttons are pretty cool, too.

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#2914949 - 03/14/18 11:53 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: Dave Bryce]
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Assuming the clav is the same engine used on the Gemini too, it is out-friggin standing. Especially since the update to the tuning a while back.

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#2914950 - 03/14/18 11:56 AM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: ZioGuido]
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Originally Posted By: ZioGuido
Originally Posted By: Kurt W
ZioGuido: What’s the depth of the top flat surface, will a Mojo61 rest securely on top without further support? Tempted.....


The flat zone is 19,5 cm deep (7,7"). The Mojo 61 has the rubber feet very close to the edges, so I can put it on top of the Seven by leaving the edges outside, in a way that it sticks out just enough not to overlap the Seven's panel. It is safe, but you'd have to use some soft material (possibly a rubber pad) between the two instruments otherwise there will not be enough friction to keep the Mojo61 stable and also the screws underneath the Mojo61 will scratch the beautiful Seven hood grin



Sounds feasible. For most of my non-mechanical boards, I take those long strips of thin foam padding that has a peel-off adhesive on one side, and then stick them to the bottom of the board. That keeps it from sliding and scratching, whether on a stand or another board. Sounds like that would do the trick here.

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#2914951 - 03/14/18 12:00 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: zoooombiex]
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ABECK has been known to put the Gemini clav completely over the top of the funkiness meter.
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#2914957 - 03/14/18 12:15 PM Re: Crumar Seven [Re: jeffinpghpa]
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Lol...so much so, we need to develop a new measurement system.

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