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#2861666 - 06/20/17 02:09 AM Roland FA-07
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Just saw this online.
https://www.roland.com/global/products/fa-07/

Same spec as the 06/08 models but I think the keys are semi weighted so I imagine they would be more robust that the 06 model? Pretty light too and the 76 keys give you an extra bit of space for splits etc. Might have a look at this for the more awkward gigs where I have to drag an 88 key up the stairs of a church gallery. rolleyes
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#2861667 - 06/20/17 02:34 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Dockeys]
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Figures.

Why wouldn't they introduce this? After all, I purchased a Jupiter-50 less than two months ago.

Since I bought Logic last week, now it's all but guarantueed Apple will release Logic 11 within the next two months...



BTW, they also introduced the SE-02 analog synth: https://www.roland.com/global/products/se-02/

Collabo with Studio Electronics, apparently.
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#2861670 - 06/20/17 03:18 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Dockeys]
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The documentation from your provided link says the FA-07 has synth-action keys with velocity, but if they are full-sized keys (unlike the FA-06) then I still might be willing to consider this.
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#2861671 - 06/20/17 03:23 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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What's Roland's "semi-weighted" action? Any boards out there for comparison?
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#2861674 - 06/20/17 03:31 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Nadroj]
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Why do they insist on these 90s sounds on all the Roland and Yamaha demo videos though?
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#2861677 - 06/20/17 03:35 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: marczellm]
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Woohoo! Much more important news!

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Now, master control functionality has been added to studio sets, enabling you to use the FA as a master controller for a large studio or live rig. You can save MIDI messages like bank select, program change, volume, and many others. This info is sent out via MIDI when you select the studio set, letting you reconfigure the FA and multiple external devices with one command.
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#2861686 - 06/20/17 05:14 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: marczellm]
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Originally Posted By: marczellm
Woohoo! Much more important news!

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Now, master control functionality has been added to studio sets, enabling you to use the FA as a master controller for a large studio or live rig. You can save MIDI messages like bank select, program change, volume, and many others. This info is sent out via MIDI when you select the studio set, letting you reconfigure the FA and multiple external devices with one command.


Seems the FA07 comes with a significant software update also available for the other 2 models... yet cant find any exact update notes yet...

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#2861687 - 06/20/17 05:22 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: marczellm]
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Originally Posted By: marczellm
Woohoo! Much more important news!

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Now, master control functionality has been added to studio sets, enabling you to use the FA as a master controller for a large studio or live rig. You can save MIDI messages like bank select, program change, volume, and many others. This info is sent out via MIDI when you select the studio set, letting you reconfigure the FA and multiple external devices with one command.


this is great news- the biggest weakness of the board in my opinion.
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#2861691 - 06/20/17 05:39 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: DanL]
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other goodies:
sound remain on assignable multiple sounds in a studio set
pad mode assign storeable by studio set
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#2861700 - 06/20/17 06:21 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: DanL]
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What's Roland's "semi-weighted" action? Any boards out there for comparison?

The FA-06, Jupiter 50, and Jupiter 80 have all been referred to as semi-weighted, though they are different from each other. Roland seems to be distinguishing the FA-07 action from the FA-06, so my guess is tha this will probably be the J50 action.

Love the weight, 18 lbs 12 oz.

Whatever it costs, I wish it were $100-$200 more and had aftertouch. And as long as I'm dreaming, since it has the SN tonewheel organ already, it would have been very cool to take advantage of the extra panel space (compared to the 61) and bring over the VR-09's drawbars. Real-time organ control will remain an advantage of the Kurz Artis7.

These other changes mentioned are really useful too, and it's great that it looks like they will be available in a software update to the other FA models.
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#2861703 - 06/20/17 06:26 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: DanL]
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Not very good as a master controller when it won't (can't) transmit AT...

Even my 30 year-old Yammie KX76 can do that.

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#2861708 - 06/20/17 06:35 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: joegerardi]
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Well, it's kinda hard to transmit AT when it doesn't have it to begin with... You can assign AT to an expression pedal and transmit it that way if needed.
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#2861711 - 06/20/17 06:43 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: DanL]
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Anyone notice the first picture of a guy playing an FA on the FA-07 page is an 06, and the second picture is an 08? Lol ...
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#2861716 - 06/20/17 07:01 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: MotiDave]
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I am a former user of an fa06, i,ve loved a lot of things of this keyboard but can stand with those tiny and awful keys. I will purchase a fa07 if keys are full size and a little better responsives to my playing (i,m an aficionado, amateur, but can appreciate the quality of a keybed). If someone of you have more information about fa07, please share!


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#2861717 - 06/20/17 07:08 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: DanL]
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Originally Posted By: DanL
Originally Posted By: marczellm
Woohoo! Much more important news!

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Now, master control functionality has been added to studio sets, enabling you to use the FA as a master controller for a large studio or live rig. You can save MIDI messages like bank select, program change, volume, and many others. This info is sent out via MIDI when you select the studio set, letting you reconfigure the FA and multiple external devices with one command.


this is great news- the biggest weakness of the board in my opinion.



This is huge news. We've all been waiting to see if Roland listened to us. That and the pad mode assign by studio set is also a very good thing.
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#2861719 - 06/20/17 07:11 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Release notes for 2.0 are up:

Release Notes
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#2861720 - 06/20/17 07:12 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Husker posted just as I did about the 2.0 documentation being up

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#2861723 - 06/20/17 07:24 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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If this had been out when I was looking to replace my Fantom X7 last year, the FA-07, I probably would have gotten one (went with a used Kronos 2-61 and no regrets at all about that, but I do miss having the extra keys on my top board).
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#2861738 - 06/20/17 07:56 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Xfeten]
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Originally Posted By: Xfeten
I am a former user of an fa06, i,ve loved a lot of things of this keyboard but can stand with those tiny and awful keys. I will purchase a fa07 if keys are full size and a little better responsives to my playing (i,m an aficionado, amateur, but can appreciate the quality of a keybed). If someone of you have more information about fa07, please share!


Doesn't look promising...from the website:
Available models include the 61-note FA-06 and 76-note FA-07, which both feature velocity-sensitive keyboards with synth action, and the FA-08, which features an 88-note keyboard with weighted action.
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#2861750 - 06/20/17 08:10 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: SHaka40]
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Too bad, would probably be very interested, but really hate the keybed in the FA06. Oh well.
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#2861751 - 06/20/17 08:10 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: SHaka40]
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actually the website says the FA07 has a semi-weighted, velocity-sensitive keyboard, while it says the 06 has a velocity sensitive keyboard. It sounds like 2 different actions to me.

If it's something like the JP50 that would be a good thing.
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#2861765 - 06/20/17 08:51 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: zephonic]
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Why wouldn't they introduce this? After all, I purchased a Jupiter-50 less than two months ago.

Well, at least the boards are still pretty different, in their sound sets and their ergonomics/interfaces. But if it was mostly the "reasonably priced, lightweight board with 76 decent feeling keys" that pushed you to that purchase and you just wished there had been a 76-key FA instead... yup. If indeed this has a different action from the 06, which is still a bit ambiguous.

I was discussing the obvious value of 7x keys for LH bass in the floating splits thread. I prefer doing LH bass on my "top" board rather than my 88, because my preferred E-to-E range for bass leaves me just 56 piano keys on an 88, which is too little for piano, while it leaves me at least 44 on a 7x, which is generally passable for my 2nd-tier sounds. There are just so few lightweight 7x boards to choose from, and some of what's around have questionable actions besides. I am happy Nord added the low E to their 73, but for LHB purposes, it's much more useful on the Stage than the Electro (where a LH bass patch restricts your RH sound to piano/organ sound categories, and even expanding that via MIDI is inhibited by the board's limited MIDI functionality).

I don't need the FA-07, but I'm awfully tempted to buy it anyway. Good job, Roland. ;-) It could kind of take the place of my MOXF6, giving me those extra keys I want, but I know I'd miss the Yamaha sounds. That and the weight are why the Artis7 (which I like a lot too) hasn't replaced my Yamaha. But the FA is lighter, and has some other nice features (sub out, pads) and an interface that seems more inviting. If it has the Jupiter 50 action, that could seal the deal. Though I like Yamaha sounds so much, I might still be tempted to take both. (FA sounds are okay, but outside of the handful of SN sounds, most of the non-synth sounds are from the 15+ year old XV-5080, or from downloadable SRX soundsets that are not all that much newer... yes there are still some great sounds in there, but I still generally give the edge to Yam.) Sonically, I could address that by going for an 88-key Yamaha on bottom. It's a trade-off... I prefer the lower weight and better action of my current 88, but is it worth taking an extra board for...
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#2861766 - 06/20/17 08:56 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Yes!!! I've been hoping for this. A FA-07 fits my needs very well. I hope they implemented a better midi slave mode...

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#2861768 - 06/20/17 08:59 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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My hope is Yamaha is following suit with an MOXF7.
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#2861785 - 06/20/17 09:40 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: drawback]
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My hope is Yamaha is following suit with an MOXF7.

I'd definitely already have that one if it existed.

But please SOMEONE bring back aftertouch! I guess the only lightweight 7x with AT is the Nord $tage. Korg hasn't had it since the TR76, Roland since the JV90.
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#2861789 - 06/20/17 09:53 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: drawback]
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Ah, story of my life.

The ONE upgrade I want - the ability to turn MFX on and off without having to be on the Effects Edit Screen is not (nad probably won't ever be) addressed.

If you want Bass on the lower part of the keyboard, and an Electric Piano with the ability to turn the Tremolo on with a Button or Footswitch (or Phaser, or Chorus, or Delay, etc.) there's no way to do it other than to create two parts and use the pads or something to toggle between them - 1 part non-trem and one part trem.

You could do this in two studio sets but previously there was no tone remain across studio sets (if the sound changed IIRC).

There are some patches with effect on already that a parameter such as trem depth (on/off essentially) could be assigned to S1 or a pedal, but if it's not the sound you want, you'll either have to save new versions of each of the (same) tones with each effect you want on it and assign all the parameters.

It would be so much easier if the MFX just worked like the TFX.

The Controller upgrade looks like a MAJOR deal.

I was just playing with the pads last night for an experiment and I was disappointed that the mode doesn't save with the studio set, so that's a nice upgrade as well.

What kept me from buying the 08 was footprint and weight.

I already knew the key size on the 06 was like my A-800 Pro. I'm fine with the action, but the size of the keys is not right.

IF the 07 has "more traditional" sized keys it would be perfect for me.

Though at this point, I couldn't afford to trade in the 06 and take the hit on it and pay the difference to get the 07.

I'm actually kind of surprised because it seems by and large, 76 key boards are becoming a bit of a rarity - the producers and edm people want 1 octave things, pianists want 88 weighted, and two handers usually find 61 enough. 76 is a hard market to fill - but a "middle" action and in this case, "middle" key size would certainly make it a worthwhile product to make.

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#2861792 - 06/20/17 09:56 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: llatham]
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Actually, it looks like the "Keyboard Switch Groups" may address the MFX issue. While my example would just entail leaving 1 armed and switching between 2 and 3 (for trem and non trem versions of the same sound) it sounds like the tone remain functionality has been improved.

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#2861796 - 06/20/17 10:18 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: llatham]
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It's listed on a popular retail site for $1499, pre-order.

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#2861820 - 06/20/17 11:27 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: wd8dky]
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Current FA users: back when people first started getting their hands on this board, there was mention of an issue regarding the black keys triggering louder than the white keys, particularly on Supernatural piano sounds (it's discussed here: http://forums.rolandclan.com/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=49133)
1)has this ever been fixed via firmware?...and 2)if not, how big a deal is it (how noticeable)?

That was one of the reasons I never actually bought the 06...for my multi-set, decent-paying R&B/soul gigs, it wouldn't be a big deal, as I would be paring it with my MOXF8 and would rarely use the Roland keys...but for the gigs where we have 20-25 minutes to perform and are expected to break down within a minute or two--this happens quite often with some of my gospel duties--I would be taking the Roland by itself, so uneven velocity response on the main piano patches is somewhat of a deal-breaker.
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#2861821 - 06/20/17 11:29 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: SHaka40]
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it was only on the 61 note that this happened. Not a problem on the 88.
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#2861823 - 06/20/17 11:54 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: DanL]
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Originally Posted By: DanL
it was only on the 61 note that this happened. Not a problem on the 88.


Correct. I have never had it happen on my 88 note FA in 3 solid years of gigging with it.
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#2861825 - 06/20/17 12:01 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Ahh...I see...so I suppose it's anyone's guess as to whether it will be an issue on the 07--assuming it was never fixed on the 06 (can anybody confirm?)
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#2861834 - 06/20/17 12:35 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: SHaka40]
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Ahh...I see...so I suppose it's anyone's guess as to whether it will be an issue on the 07--assuming it was never fixed on the 06 (can anybody confirm?)

and then there's the variable about whether the 07 is indeed going to have a different action from the 06, which could make it a non-issue regardless of whether they addressed it on the 06.
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#2861846 - 06/20/17 01:11 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Can you guys tell from the videos if they've swapped out the 06 action for something better? I agree, the action on the 06 and VR-09 are poo.









here's the rest of the walk through videos:
https://www.youtube.com/user/RolandChannel/search?query=FA-07&spfreload=10
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#2861860 - 06/20/17 02:18 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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The keys look longer to me. A little like the Juno stage keys. Then again it cold be an optical illusion, the keyboard player might have small hands 😁
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#2861862 - 06/20/17 02:23 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Randelph]
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It's a semi-weighted keyboard, as distinct from the 61-note version. Think they've been fairly clear here:

https://www.roland.com/global/products/fa_series/specifications/#fa07

I would be very surprised if it was the same as the 06

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#2861863 - 06/20/17 02:23 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: DanL]
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Going to download 2.0 to my FA08 tonight and see what's up.
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#2861867 - 06/20/17 02:33 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Marillo]
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Originally Posted By: Marillo
It's a semi-weighted keyboard, as distinct from the 61-note version. Think they've been fairly clear here:

https://www.roland.com/global/products/fa_series/specifications/#fa07

I would be very surprised if it was the same as the 06

OTOH, from

https://www.rolandcorp.com.au/blog/roland-fa-06-synthesizer-all-in-one-workstation

"FA-06 featuring a semi-weighted 61-key synth action keyboard"

and Sweetwater calls the action "semi-weighted" 3x

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/FA06

though Sweetwater has gotten stuff wrong before...
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#2861872 - 06/20/17 03:11 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: zephonic
Why wouldn't they introduce this? After all, I purchased a Jupiter-50 less than two months ago.

Well, at least the boards are still pretty different, in their sound sets and their ergonomics/interfaces. But if it was mostly the "reasonably priced, lightweight board with 76 decent feeling keys" that pushed you to that purchase and you just wished there had been a 76-key FA instead... yup. If indeed this has a different action from the 06, which is still a bit ambiguous.


I bought the JP-50 as a controller/audio interface for my laptop rig. If the FA-07 has the same action, the lower weight and better DAW integration would make it a more suitable solution for me.

But I'm not that mad, as I got my barely used JP-50 (with flight case) for $1000, which is a good price.
Still, the traditional 16-part workstation layout and more powerful MFX make this a far more comprehensive package than the JP-50 is. With aftertouch and a built-in PSU it would have been a perfect replacement for my Fantom X7.


Originally Posted By: AnotherScott

Sonically, I could address that by going for an 88-key Yamaha on bottom. It's a trade-off... I prefer the lower weight and better action of my current 88, but is it worth taking an extra board for...


I think an FA-07 on top with a Yamaha MX-88 on the bottom makes for an incredibly versatile and lightweight combination at just $2500. Amazing.
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#2861882 - 06/20/17 04:08 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: zephonic]
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FA-06 is 300mm deep.

FA-07 is 311mm deep.

It's tough to say... really hoping they upgraded the action.



I wonder if they ever considered some mini faders on the left over there for the FA-07 to control the organ or mix layers or assignable or whatever.
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#2861888 - 06/20/17 04:56 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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FA-06 is 300mm deep.

FA-07 is 311mm deep.

That is cause for optimism, since with everything else (electronics, panel controls, connections, etc.) being identical, there would seem to be no reason to make the chassis any deeper unless a different action required it.

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
I wonder if they ever considered some mini faders on the left over there for the FA-07 to control the organ or mix layers or assignable or whatever.

Yeah, I mentioned earlier that the addition of something like the VR-09 style drawbars (which could be multifunction, as they are on the VR-09) and aftertouch would have made this just about perfect. Even at, say, $200-$300 higher price. (And if the existing control panel were shifted over, there would be enough contiguous space for drawbars or some other slider design that wouldn't necessarily have to be particularly "mini"... though I'd take that, too.)
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#2861891 - 06/20/17 05:01 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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There's semi-weighted diving board, and there's semi-weighted waterfall. I'd prefer the latter, but having demoed a Montage 61 the other day, I'd be okay with that quality keyboard on the FA07. I just wish Roland had gone one step further with waterfall.
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#2861893 - 06/20/17 05:07 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: drawback]
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Yeah, but I there's no way they'd stick the VR-700 action on this workstation unless the organ were front and center and the drawbars were included as well... and when that happens in this price range, it's going to be a VR-XXX. We can hope.

That said, if this FA-07 gets the Jupiter-80 action that would be amazing, the action on my XP-80 was head and shoulders better than the chicklets on the FA-06 and VR-09.
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#2861896 - 06/20/17 05:35 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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The keys on the 7 look longer than on the 6 in that photo. Maybe just an optical illusion, but in conjunction with the different designations I'm optimistic the 7 will have a different action. If it is what's in my JP-50, it's great.
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#2861897 - 06/20/17 05:48 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: zephonic]
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Hell, I'll join in the conspiracy theorizing, or whatever you want to call it. Maybe it is a conspiracy to make life difficult for GAS-afflicted KC forumites! Those crafty Roland designers.

Check out the reflections on the black keys of the 06 - they suggest a curved and glossy surface. Much different from the black keys on the 07 in that video posted above. I'm gonna say it's a different action – unless Fatar has used different key facings on the same keybed. If that's the case, well, there goes my exposé!

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#2861901 - 06/20/17 06:17 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Reezekeys]
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Hell, I'll join in the conspiracy theorizing, or whatever you want to call it. Maybe it is a conspiracy to make life difficult for GAS-afflicted KC forumites! Those crafty Roland designers.

Yup. I don't really need anything new, but today I wake up and I want an FA-07 and an SE-02.

PIcking up on something I said above... even without adding sliders/drawbars... at presumably no increase in cost, it would have been nice to move the FA-07 control panel over so that all the "free space" is consolidated on one side. It's convenient to have contiguous space big enough to hold other stuff like an iPad, or, say, an SE-02.
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#2861905 - 06/20/17 06:40 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Yeah that's a bitch, unfortunately the design is done. Maybe in their heads, theres plenty of sampled leads on this workstation, no one's going to velcro a Boutique to it. But clearly Roland doesn't think in these unsophisticated down and dirty guitar pedal board rig terms.

Can a DB-1 or similar control the organ on the FAs? The Jupiter-50? 80?
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#2861906 - 06/20/17 06:42 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: SHaka40]
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Ahh...I see...so I suppose it's anyone's guess as to whether it will be an issue on the 07--assuming it was never fixed on the 06 (can anybody confirm?)


Sean I'm not a super proficient keyboardist, but I'm not sure I'd say the issue was that the black keys trigger louder.

Firstly, on the 06, the "surface area" of all the keys is less - the distance from where the black key meets a white key, and where a white key ends is shorter than my other keyboards.

This means that it places your hand up higher (closer to the controls) and thus they sit further back on the black keys.

Now the black keys are also shorter a bit, but it's not enough so where you might typically be pressing a black key at the tip, you're trying to press it from the middle of the key or even closer to the controls - no leverage!

I suppose if we all played with proper classical technique this would be less of an issue - I know most keyboard players don't.

Likewise, I have small hands - I can't imagine someone with much longer fingers than me playing it (and I'm like in the smallest percentage for male hands).

What I find is my black key fingers are often more than halfway past the mid-point of the key.

This means I don't have as much leverage on them. If anything, if I play something like an A Major chord, I'm more likely to not get the C# than anything else.

If I play F#-C#-F#, my finger on the C# is at the very very back of the key right where it cuts off to go into the chassis.

On my old D5, I've still got a fingertip's worth of distance before it reaches that point.

Likewise, if I play F-C-F, my finger on the C is "beside" the C# whereas on the older one it's "in front" of it. This means I'm more likely to "catch an edge" of the C# and pull it down with the C - wrong note.

(poor technique doesn't help...)

On my old D5, I've still got a fingertip's worth of distance before it reaches that point.

Thus I find I'm much more likely to miss keys, and even accidentally strike unintended keys then on my D-5.

I actually like the "action" - it's the physical key size that's the problem for me.

At first glance, the pictures included in this thread do seem to look like the keys are bigger but I think we're talking millimeters here so it could be hard to tell.

Nonetheless, I wouldn't recommend an 06 to anyone if they are used to some other size key (traditional). But for what I do, and the price I could pay, it does the job adequately and makes up for it with so many other features at that price point.

If the 07 solves this problem, it would be the go to IMHO.

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#2861907 - 06/20/17 06:46 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Can a DB-1 or similar control the organ on the FAs? The Jupiter-50? 80?


I know that the drawbars can be controlled via SysEx messages.

Maybe not the most efficient or elegant way but if any other controller supports it, you could program your sliders on it to send SysEx to control the drawbars, and I would assume the rotary speed and brake, etc.

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#2861909 - 06/20/17 06:59 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Can a DB-1 or similar control the organ on the FAs? The Jupiter-50? 80?


yes! I use it with the FA06 - it fits perfectly on the upper left area of the keyboard (just to left of volume control) Totally transforms the keyboard IMHO

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#2861911 - 06/20/17 07:06 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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it would have been nice to move the FA-07 control panel over so that all the "free space" is consolidated on one side. It's convenient to have contiguous space big enough to hold other stuff like an iPad, or, say, an SE-02.

The control panel is exactly the same on all three models, and keeping it centered probably saved Roland money as they would have had to make alterations to other parts of the 07. I'm guessing they wanted to keep as many parts common as possible.

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#2861912 - 06/20/17 07:10 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: bob_sd]
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Another cool thing I see is the ability to use the 1-8 buttons under the screen as virtual pads.

That way you don't have to reach over with your left hand to trigger something if you're jamming with your right.

I just downloaded 2.0 and am about to install it on my 08 and run it thru its paces.
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#2861914 - 06/20/17 07:29 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Can a DB-1 or similar control the organ on the FAs? The Jupiter-50? 80?

Yes, the DB1 works as a drawbar controller for FA-06/FA-08 and Jupiter 80. (Last I heard, it did not work on the Jupiter 50, and no one is sure why not as it looks like it should on paper, perhaps some bug in that model.)

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Yeah that's a bitch, unfortunately the design is done. Maybe in their heads, theres plenty of sampled leads on this workstation, no one's going to velcro a Boutique to it.

Except Roland knows and actually promotes the benefit of having real analog even if you have cool digital synth functions... that's how they market the JD-XA/Xi! Besides the sound, there's also the control interface advantage. Well, maybe the Boutique will fit on the left, it's hard to tell.

It seems like a bit of a missed marketing opportunity, that they simultaneously announce a board with new, enhanced MIDI controller capabilities AND a device that is well designed to attach to such a board, and they don't seem to have made any attempt to connect the two. There's an old marketing adage that the easiest customer to sell to is someone you've sold to before. Roland should make it as easy, obvious, and tempting as possible for an FA purchaser to also buy some other Roland device. The 2.0 addendum even specifically (and exclusively) mentions using these features "to control an external MIDI sound module" and Roland is one of the few companies making modules these days... marketing 101 would imply that the FA layout should practically have a "Boutique Module Goes Here" inlay!
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#2861918 - 06/20/17 07:39 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Reezekeys]
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The control panel is exactly the same on all three models, and keeping it centered probably saved Roland money as they would have had to make alterations to other parts of the 07. I'm guessing they wanted to keep as many parts common as possible.

I don't see why shifting that exact same control panel over a few inches on the exact same piece of plastic would change the parts required.

Originally Posted By: EscapeRocks
Another cool thing I see is the ability to use the 1-8 buttons under the screen as virtual pads.

That way you don't have to reach over with your left hand to trigger something if you're jamming with your right.

It would be nice if you could set their mode to something different than the mode the "real" pads are set for, so you could have two sets of pad functions available somewhere simultaneously, but it doesn't look like that's the case...?
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#2861921 - 06/20/17 08:06 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: Reezekeys
The control panel is exactly the same on all three models, and keeping it centered probably saved Roland money as they would have had to make alterations to other parts of the 07. I'm guessing they wanted to keep as many parts common as possible.

I don't see why shifting that exact same control over a few inches on the exact same piece of plastic would change the parts required.

What you say makes sense. I could speculate some more and say that there might be connections between the control panel and other parts of the synth that use wiring harnesses or ribbon cables Roland wanted to keep common between the three models. Anyway I was just having a little fun, I'm not in the market for any of these models. Regarding Roland in general, I've posted before about the crappy LCD and bad ergonomics on my A800 Pro controller – you can't read the last character on the LCD because it's blocked by the bezel around it. And they forgot to put a "panic" function into the firmware like they did with the previous models - it's described in the manual but doesn't exist! You might be surprised what they get wrong, so maybe we should be extra happy about what they get right! I guess when it comes to design, there will always be something for someone to complain about – rightly or not.

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#2861923 - 06/20/17 08:27 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Reezekeys]
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FA-07 - 18 lbs. 12 oz.

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Jupiter-80 - 39lbs 1 oz.

Jupiter-50 - 24lbs 5 oz.

BK-9 - 20lbs 12 oz.

A-37 - 16lbs 16 oz.

VR-700 - 35lbs 5 oz.

Build weight tell us anything about what type of action is in there?
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#2861924 - 06/20/17 08:28 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: DanL]
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I wish they'd get rid of the shiny plastic front panel on these instruments. Whenever I see an FA in a store, it's just loaded with gritty fingerprints.

I like the boards, though. Assuming it has the same (or better) action, I'd swap out my Jupiter-50 for one of these.
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#2861929 - 06/20/17 08:48 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Reezekeys]
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Originally Posted By: Reezekeys
Regarding Roland in general, I've posted before about the crappy LCD and bad ergonomics on my A800 Pro controller – you can't read the last character on the LCD because it's blocked by the bezel around it.

The Kurzweil Artis7 has a similar problem... not as bad as what you describe, as nothing normally blocks anything in the display if it's your only board. But if the board is raised (i.e. if it's your second tier board), there is a cosmetic "mask" that, at that kind of angle, can interfere with your ability to read the bottom line of the display, which is the line that tells you what the buttons underneath the display will do. I've actually wondered about the possibility of opening it up and seeing if the mask can be removed.

Originally Posted By: Reezekeys
You might be surprised what they get wrong, so maybe we should be extra happy about what they get right!

Yeah... Roland has had a habit of making cool things that are almost great, but with odd implementations or frustrating omissions that ultimately keep them out of my rig. The VR09 and Jupiter 50 come to mind as recent boards that I ended up not liking as much as I thought I would, all the more frustrating because in many ways they were "almost" there, and the things that were "wrong" seemed to me to be more a matter of design/interface decisions than necessary cost compromises. That said, I'm optimistic about the FA-07 and the updated FA software.
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#2861930 - 06/20/17 08:56 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Build weight tell us anything about what type of action is in there?

The 6 lb difference with the similarly sized JP50 makes me think its unlikely to share that action, unless maybe there's some other major difference like amount of plastic vs. metal or something like that. But you know, the FA-07 doesn't have to be any existing action, it could be something we're seeing for the first time.

Originally Posted By: keybdwizrd
I wish they'd get rid of the shiny plastic front panel on these instruments. Whenever I see an FA in a store, it's just loaded with gritty fingerprints.

According to this thread, your wish may be granted...
http://forums.rolandclan.com/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=53730
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#2861933 - 06/20/17 10:01 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Quote:

According to this thread, your wish may be granted...
http://forums.rolandclan.com/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=53730



I ordered one last week. Approx. $80. Shipping from Hong Kong. The guy made a limited run (I believe <100) some in color, some in black and white. I'll post a pic once I receive it.

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#2861943 - 06/21/17 01:32 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: bob_sd]
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If it's the Juno Stage action I'm gonna buy one. Best semi-weighted action I've played. I believe it was the same as the Fantom series but with small weights under the keys. Enough to make piano playable while keeping organ swipes smooth as butter. The weight comparison looks promising.
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#2861946 - 06/21/17 04:11 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: niacin]
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After looking at the online demoes of this I am starting to grow cautiously optimistic as well, as I would love to add a piece of Roland gear to my travel setup. Like some others here I just can't handle the keyboard action of either the VR-09 or the FA-06. Since the integrated organ engine can be controlled by a DB-1 or similar controller, I think that I will head over to Gearfest at Sweetwater this weekend to see if the Roland reps have an FA-07 available to demo so I can test the action.

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#2861949 - 06/21/17 04:52 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: bob_sd]
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According to this thread, your wish may be granted...
http://forums.rolandclan.com/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=53730



I ordered one last week. Approx. $80. Shipping from Hong Kong. The guy made a limited run (I believe <100) some in color, some in black and white. I'll post a pic once I receive it.

The mentioned Myrk overlay is cool, but that was not the point of my link... if you look at what's posted there, it looks like--unlike the 06/08--the 07 may ship matte instead of glossy, and not need the overlay. (For people who may want more info about the overlay, it's at http://forums.rolandclan.com/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=53680 )
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#2861950 - 06/21/17 04:56 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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Since the integrated organ engine can be controlled by a DB-1 or similar controller

just be aware that the DB1 is no longer in production... I'm not aware of any "similar" controller, as it needs to be able to send sysex, not merely MIDI CC. But maybe someone can suggest something...?
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#2861988 - 06/21/17 07:11 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: The_Star_Guy
Since the integrated organ engine can be controlled by a DB-1 or similar controller

just be aware that the DB1 is no longer in production... I'm not aware of any "similar" controller, as it needs to be able to send sysex, not merely MIDI CC. But maybe someone can suggest something...?



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#2862000 - 06/21/17 07:58 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: bob_sd

Quote:

According to this thread, your wish may be granted...
http://forums.rolandclan.com/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=53730



I ordered one last week. Approx. $80. Shipping from Hong Kong. The guy made a limited run (I believe <100) some in color, some in black and white. I'll post a pic once I receive it.

The mentioned Myrk overlay is cool, but that was not the point of my link... if you look at what's posted there, it looks like--unlike the 06/08--the 07 may ship matte instead of glossy, and not need the overlay. (For people who may want more info about the overlay, it's at http://forums.rolandclan.com/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=53680 )



Not to be a downer..... when you find the actual Roland FA-06/07/08 page and compare the picture, all look the same with regards to the glossy finish, like I have on my FA-08

I guess we will just have to wait to see. It would be nice if they went with a more matte finish.

As far as that Myrk thing... I ordered one for my 08

Also, Firmware 2.0 is cool so far in the limited testing I have done since I downloaded it last night
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#2862002 - 06/21/17 08:09 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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#2862005 - 06/21/17 08:22 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: DanL]
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Originally Posted By: DanL
doing the 2.0 update later today.


Will be interesting to compare notes.

I need to setup some outboard gear to test the new Master capabilities. That is the big one for me.
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#2862008 - 06/21/17 08:26 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Not to be a downer..... when you find the actual Roland FA-06/07/08 page and compare the picture, all look the same with regards to the glossy finish, like I have on my FA-08

I guess we will just have to wait to see. It would be nice if they went with a more matte finish.

From the page I initially linked to...

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Re: FA-07!?!
Post by Lunar » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:10 pm

The trick is look at the FA screen. On the pics I have seen of the FA07 with the glossy surface, the screen clearly shows either a 61 or 88 key "virtual" keyboard - same as FA06/08 display. The pics with the matted finish, like the one above, show 76 keys on the screen. I'm guessing it does have a non-reflective surface. I really hope so, because just breathing in the same room as the FA06 creates a thousand new little scratchy bits all over it.
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#2862009 - 06/21/17 08:26 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Right now I have the FA sending program changes and controlling sounds on my Electro, but I have the patches lined up 1:1. The downside is if I have 15 patches with a piano or organ sounds, I use 15 patches in the Electro to duplicate what should be 2 patches. I'll be interested to see how it works with my full stack for the Floyd band. Right now I don't do any program changes from the FA for that, while the boards are midi'd together for control/layer purposes, I change each patch manually. I put it all in order for the show and scroll thru on each board.
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#2862013 - 06/21/17 08:41 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: DanL]
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My fantom x6 with 4 srx cards sounds and feels better than the jupitar 50 (which I owned and sold)to me. That's why I'm not too curious about the fa series since it's supposed to be lesser than the jp50. It may be just me.
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#2862022 - 06/21/17 09:51 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: ApprenticeGary]
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Looks as though the FA-07 is confirmed to appear at Gearfest this weekend thu... I'm looking forward to more information on the keys/action and cosmetics.

I was about to pull the trigger on an MOXF8 when this thing showed up... !
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#2862023 - 06/21/17 09:59 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: drawback]
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Looks as though the FA-07 is confirmed to appear at Gearfest this weekend thu... I'm looking forward to more information on the keys/action and cosmetics.

I was about to pull the trigger on an MOXF8 when this thing showed up... !


Oddly enough, so was I......great timing for Roland....bad timing for Yamaha. I will be checking this out at Gearfest this weekend as well....particularly the action!
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#2862030 - 06/21/17 10:13 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: drawback]
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Originally Posted By: drawback
Looks as though the FA-07 is confirmed to appear at Gearfest this weekend thu... I'm looking forward to more information on the keys/action and cosmetics.

I was about to pull the trigger on an MOXF8 when this thing showed up... !


Oddly enough, so was I......great timing for Roland....bad timing for Yamaha. I will be checking this out at Gearfest this weekend as well....particularly the action!
Originally Posted By: drawback
Looks as though the FA-07 is confirmed to appear at Gearfest this weekend thu... I'm looking forward to more information on the keys/action and cosmetics.

I was about to pull the trigger on an MOXF8 when this thing showed up... !


Hi, guys! I will waiting your impressions about action and size keys,!

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#2862034 - 06/21/17 10:35 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: ApprenticeGary]
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My fantom x6 with 4 srx cards sounds and feels better than the jupitar 50 (which I owned and sold)to me. That's why I'm not too curious about the fa series since it's supposed to be lesser than the jp50. It may be just me.


Interesting. I have my Fantom X7 and Jupiter 50 side by side here, and they feel really similar? Almost identical, although the Fantom is older and has like a million miles on it.
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#2862035 - 06/21/17 10:36 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Not to be a downer..... when you find the actual Roland FA-06/07/08 page and compare the picture, all look the same with regards to the glossy finish, like I have on my FA-08

I guess we will just have to wait to see. It would be nice if they went with a more matte finish.

From the page I initially linked to...

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Re: FA-07!?!
Post by Lunar » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:10 pm

The trick is look at the FA screen. On the pics I have seen of the FA07 with the glossy surface, the screen clearly shows either a 61 or 88 key "virtual" keyboard - same as FA06/08 display. The pics with the matted finish, like the one above, show 76 keys on the screen. I'm guessing it does have a non-reflective surface. I really hope so, because just breathing in the same room as the FA06 creates a thousand new little scratchy bits all over it.



Yeah I did see that. I am still not convinced either way. Myrk, himself, chimed in and said if you look at Roland's videos, the 07 looks like it has that same glossy finish.

Hopefully we'll know at Gearfest.

Regardless, that wouldn't be a show stopper for me.

Given the new 2.0 OS, I am considering trading in the 08, and using it above my PX5S in my Mainstage rig.

Of course that's the GAS talking smile No need to change things up now that I finally got it all working....
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#2862040 - 06/21/17 10:56 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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I was telling my wife about the 07 yesterday, not because I wanted to buy one, but because of the 2.0 update. She immediately thought I was out to get a new board, and I said why would I buy the same board I already have just in a smaller format?
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#2862043 - 06/21/17 11:03 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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I was about to pull the trigger on an MOXF8 when this thing showed up... !


Oddly enough, so was I......great timing for Roland....bad timing for Yamaha.

Hopefully the FA07 sells enough to help convince Yamaha that there would be a good market for a MOXF7.

Though I see the FA07 as potentially stealing more MOXF6 customers than MOXF8 customers. So Star_Guy and Drawback, what was leading you to the MOXF8 that now can potentially be better served by the FA07? Mostly the need for more than 61 keys in your rompler? Had you considered the Artis7?
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#2862056 - 06/21/17 12:42 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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The new preset Studio Sets show off the new capabilities nicely. The new Africa patch is fun. They've set it up so that you can play the solo with one hand. One note = melody and harmony note. Neat.

EDIT: Playing with it. Hot damn, the FA was good before but it's now the ultimate covers band keyboard. Being able to mix the sounds in a studio set in any combination up to 16 times within a single studio set is a life saver. Setups can get infinitely more complex now. Love = rekindled.

EDIT 2: This is going to simplify so many songs that we do. Can merge several studio sets into one. Hot damn.


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#2862065 - 06/21/17 01:15 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Nadroj]
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It was great to hear the FA could be used with drawbars...and disappointing there are none available!

What are the preset organ tones like on the FA series? Derived from the VK organ a la the VR-09?

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#2862067 - 06/21/17 01:20 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Originally Posted By: The_Star_Guy
Originally Posted By: drawback
I was about to pull the trigger on an MOXF8 when this thing showed up... !


Oddly enough, so was I......great timing for Roland....bad timing for Yamaha.

Hopefully the FA07 sells enough to help convince Yamaha that there would be a good market for a MOXF7.

Though I see the FA07 as potentially stealing more MOXF6 customers than MOXF8 customers. So Star_Guy and Drawback, what was leading you to the MOXF8 that now can potentially be better served by the FA07? Mostly the need for more than 61 keys in your rompler? Had you considered the Artis7?


The need for more than 61 keys absolutely, but I'm also looking for a workstation with all the benefits both the MOXF8 and the FA08 offer for live stage, DAW integration, and articulation that the Artis7 doesn't offer. So I was prepared to go with the MOXF8 – has a narrow edge sound-wise, is supposedly infinitely expandable wink though weighted keys would have been a compromise for sure. I also factored the lighter weight and narrower width of the Yamaha.

The FA07 offers the best of both worlds, it seems, until if and when an MOXF7 comes out to challenge it.


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#2862070 - 06/21/17 01:23 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Marillo]
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It was great to hear the FA could be used with drawbars...and disappointing there are none available!

What are the preset organ tones like on the FA series? Derived from the VK organ a la the VR-09?


Preset organ tones are the Roland SuperNatural tones, so yes, like the VR-09. Base organ tone is okay, Leslie sucks. No C/V, which is a shame. There's a video of the FA with a vent on youtube and it sounds pretty damn nice. The vent can make almost anything into a high-end sounding clone wheel.


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#2862083 - 06/21/17 03:11 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Marillo]
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I also factored the lighter weight and narrower width of the Yamaha.

Compared to what? If we're still talking about the Artis7, the Kurz is noticeably smaller and lighter. But your other points about DAW integration and articulations are well noted (and not things I've made use of in my own Yamaha use).

Originally Posted By: Marillo
It was great to hear the FA could be used with drawbars...and disappointing there are none available!

What are the preset organ tones like on the FA series? Derived from the VK organ a la the VR-09?

One thing maybe you weren't clear about is that, even though there are no "live" drawbars, you can still go into the edit screen and create any drawbar organ registration you want. You just can't really manipulate on the fly. So "what the preset tones" are like is an arbitrary restriction, you can make them whatever you want. (Though beside the modeled "SuperNatural organ" with that level of control, there are also rompler-style organ presets, since the FA has the sounds of the XV-5080 and, via axial downloads, the SRX cards.)
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#2862086 - 06/21/17 03:25 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Nadroj]
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Leslie sucks...There's a video of the FA with a vent on youtube and it sounds pretty damn nice. The vent can make almost anything into a high-end sounding clone wheel.

Yes, and on a tighter budget, the Electro-Harmonix Lester-K seems nice. What's cool about the FA is that you should be able to send the organ out the Sub Out, so you can leave the rotary pedal of your choice permanently engaged on the organ sound, and not worry about having to remember to switch it in and out when using organ vs. non-organ sounds. And unlike the panning method you'd have to do on many other low cost boards (if you can even do that, which you can't on the VR-09!), it leaves the Left and Right out jacks both available for stereo operation of your other sounds (or, with panning, for dual mono with other sonic separation, like send your LH bass out one side to a bass amp, and your other sounds out the other side).
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#2862096 - 06/21/17 04:06 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Can you guys tell from the videos if they've swapped out the 06 action for something better?

This seems pretty much definitive, from Roland's press release:

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The new FA-07 model features a 76-note velocity-sensitive keyboard that’s semi-weighted, offering enhanced playing feel and expanded range for complex live setups with multiple splits and zones. The FA-07 complements the other instruments in the series, which includes the FA-08 and its 88-note Ivory Feel-G keyboard with weighted action, and the mobile FA-06 and its 61-note velocity-sensitive keyboard. Aside from their unique keyboard configurations, all FA instruments include the same sounds and features.

"enhanced playing feel and expanded range" -- compared to what? Presumably the FA-06. It also seems to specifically contrast the FA's "76-note velocity-sensitive keyboard that’s semi-weighted" with both of the others in the series in both size and type, i.e. "the FA-08 and its 88-note Ivory Feel-G keyboard with weighted action, and the mobile FA-06 and its 61-note velocity-sensitive keyboard."

So I'd say it's a near-certainty that it's a different keyboard. Getting to your question, then, whether it's better remains to be seen (felt), but based on what many say about the 06, it seems unlikely it could be worse. ;-)

https://www.roland.com/us/company/press_releases/2017/ROLAND-ANNOUNCES-FA-07-MUSIC-WORKSTATION/
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#2862097 - 06/21/17 04:31 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: Nadroj
Leslie sucks...There's a video of the FA with a vent on youtube and it sounds pretty damn nice. The vent can make almost anything into a high-end sounding clone wheel.

Yes, and on a tighter budget, the Electro-Harmonix Lester-K seems nice. What's cool about the FA is that you should be able to send the organ out the Sub Out,


I do exactly this (or did before I used Mainstage last week)

I have the Lester K. My organ tones run out the sub out on the FA08. The sub out is a TRS jack, so I use a TRS in to 2 TS out "Y" cable and run in stereo into the Lester K then out to my mixer

Just make sure to go in to the menu on the FA's organ tones you use and shut off it's effects so that Lester does all the work.

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#2862099 - 06/21/17 04:43 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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I have the Lester K. My organ tones run out the sub out on the FA08. It is a TRS jack, so I use a TRS in to 2 TS out "Y" cable and run in stereo.
Just make sure to go in to the menu on the FA's organ tones you use and shut off it's effects so that Lester does all the work.

Once you turn off the FA's own rotary effect, the organ sound should be mono, so a simple guitar cable from that to the Lester K should be sufficient, as the Lester will generate the stereo rotary effect from the mono signal. AFAIK, the only reason you'd really care about a stereo in on the Lester K would be to be able to pass a stereo sound from the board when you are bypassing the rotary effect and playing some (non-organ) stereo sound... which is not a factor when you're sending the organ out its own dedicated jack. (In fact, I would assume that the Lester K is summing its input to Mono--or only using one of its input jacks--whenever its rotary effect is engaged. Rotary is a mono-in, stereo-out effect.)
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#2862101 - 06/21/17 04:51 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Under Studio Set/Part View there is a Vibrato parameter. TFX section includes Reverb (Delay, Tape Echo), Chorus (Phaser, Flanger), Tremelo/Pan and Overdrive. The Vent also offers a drive section for Leslie tube saturation. There's enough to work with here, no?
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#2862108 - 06/21/17 05:23 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Is it just me, or does the Roland U.S. video seem to show larger keys than on the 06?

Roland FA-07


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#2862109 - 06/21/17 05:26 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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After looking at the online demoes of this I am starting to grow cautiously optimistic as well, as I would love to add a piece of Roland gear to my travel setup. Like some others here I just can't handle the keyboard action of either the VR-09 or the FA-06. Since the integrated organ engine can be controlled by a DB-1 or similar controller, I think that I will head over to Gearfest at Sweetwater this weekend to see if the Roland reps have an FA-07 available to demo so I can test the action.


I can't wait to hear what you make of the key action! I parted with my FA-06 several months ago purely because of the keybed. If the FA-07's action is anything similar to the Jupiter-50, then it's a game changer for me. My back is too broken to lug the FA-08 around. laugh


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#2862116 - 06/21/17 06:15 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: ApprenticeGary]
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My fantom x6 with 4 srx cards sounds and feels better than the jupitar 50 (which I owned and sold)to me. That's why I'm not too curious about the fa series since it's supposed to be lesser than the jp50. It may be just me.

Well, lesser in some ways (far fewer SuperNatural Acoustic tones, no more than one insert effect per tone), better in others (the large library of legacy SRX and XV-5080 sounds, sample pads, more split/layer functionality), very different interface. We'll have to see about the action.
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#2862119 - 06/21/17 06:30 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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I also factored the lighter weight and narrower width of the Yamaha.

Compared to what?


Compared to the FA08. Sorry - I wasn't clear that it had become a choice between the 88 key workstations.
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#2862122 - 06/21/17 06:35 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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This is the Roland copy that went out to sonicstate.com.
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2017/06/21/roland-launches-fa-07-music-workstation/

"The new FA-07 model features a 76-note velocity-sensitive keyboard that's semi-weighted, offering enhanced playing feel and expanded range for complex live setups with multiple splits and zones. The FA-07 complements the other instruments in the series, which includes the FA-08 and its 88-note Ivory Feel-G keyboard with weighted action, and the mobile FA-06 and its 61-note velocity-sensitive keyboard. Aside from their unique keyboard configurations, all FA instruments include the same sounds and features."

Now, this might be a translation from Japanese, but I am sure Roland UK read and approved this, and it seems they are making a clear distinction between the three actions... Ivory Feel-G on the 08, mobile friendly velocity sensitive on the 06, and a extended (76k) velocity sensitive semi-weight to offer enhanced playing feel and more room for splits and zones on the 07.

Am I filling in blanks to hear what we want to hear? Or do you guys read it this way as well?
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#2862125 - 06/21/17 06:54 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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The difference in weight between FA07 (18.6 lbs) and FA06 (12.6) can't be justified by just one extra octave, so most likely a different keybed. Besides keys on the FA07 look different - more rounded vs more sharp edges on FA06.
So yes - I'm thinking the keybed is from J50. (btw I see that J50 was discontinued, not sure when).


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#2862129 - 06/21/17 07:20 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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I have the Lester K. My organ tones run out the sub out on the FA08. It is a TRS jack, so I use a TRS in to 2 TS out "Y" cable and run in stereo.
Just make sure to go in to the menu on the FA's organ tones you use and shut off it's effects so that Lester does all the work.

Once you turn off the FA's own rotary effect, the organ sound should be mono, so a simple guitar cable from that to the Lester K should be sufficient, as the Lester will generate the stereo rotary effect from the mono signal. AFAIK, the only reason you'd really care about a stereo in on the Lester K would be to be able to pass a stereo sound from the board when you are bypassing the rotary effect and playing some (non-organ) stereo sound... which is not a factor when you're sending the organ out its own dedicated jack. (In fact, I would assume that the Lester K is summing its input to Mono--or only using one of its input jacks--whenever its rotary effect is engaged. Rotary is a mono-in, stereo-out effect.)


Yeah I get all that. I use Lester K for more than just the organ.
In some studio sets I send true stereo tones thru Lester.

I just didn't feel like getting into the weeds in this thread since we were talking about organ. smile
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#2862139 - 06/21/17 09:33 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Yeah I did see that. I am still not convinced either way. Myrk, himself, chimed in and said if you look at Roland's videos, the 07 looks like it has that same glossy finish.

Uh huh. Hmmph.

Originally Posted By: EscapeRocks
Of course that's the GAS talking smile No need to change things up now that I finally got it all working....

Yeah, I've just recently settled on a combo I thought I was going to be really happy with, and now...

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Am I filling in blanks to hear what we want to hear? Or do you guys read it this way as well?

Yup, I posted something similar a bit upthread. But then you see something like the videos you posted, where their text groups the 61 and 76 together, saying, "Available models include the 61-note FA-06 and 76-note FA-07, which both feature velocity-sensitive keyboards with synth action, and the FA-08, which features an 88-note keyboard with weighted action." Hmmph again.
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#2862140 - 06/21/17 09:35 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Okay, so back to the 2.0 OS.


What a huge difference. The tone remain function is very nice (within the Studio Set). Also, the Master Keyboard capabilities are a big step up, and the main thing I wanted Roland to do.

This may cause me to put the PX5S back in hibernation in my Mainstage rig. That's a topic for the other thread, though.

I've just done a lot of cursory examination of the new features, so not much in the way of details to report beyond what Roland shows in the various videos showing off the new functions.
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#2862142 - 06/21/17 09:42 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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This may cause me to put the PX5S back in hibernation in my Mainstage rig.

So, possibly willing to trade off having a hammer action on your bottom board, if the FA action meets a threshold of "good enough"?
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#2862144 - 06/21/17 09:58 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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This may cause me to put the PX5S back in hibernation in my Mainstage rig.

So, possibly willing to trade off having a hammer action on your bottom board, if the FA action meets a threshold of "good enough"?


I think you misunderstand. wink I still have my FA08 That would be my main board again, with the Arturia Keylab61 still up top.

It's the Version 2.0 OS that has made the difference.

In addition to the things I talked about above, being able to assign pad mode per Studio Set opens up even more streamlined capabilities for me with Mainstage.

Since I couldn't do these things prior to the new release, I figured, save some weight and go with the PX.

Now I can have the true hybrid (rompler/Mainstage) rig I desire.
The power of some of the Roland tones that I can't recreate in Mainstage without buying $$$ VSTs, coupled with the powerful Mainstage sounds I've created gives me a rockin' setup.

After three years I sort of gave up on Roland ever updating the software.

I am very happy with Roland right now.

Also, the FA08 is it's own Audio interface. That would really clean up my rig.
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#2862175 - 06/22/17 05:24 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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I think you misunderstand. wink I still have my FA08

Ah! Yup, I thought you were thinking about replacing the PX5S with the FA07. Got it.

I agree, for all the reasons you listed and then some, the FA08 would be functional and sonic improvement over the PX5S in your rig. The only trade-offs I see are the size/weight (36 vs 24 lbs) and fewer simultaneous assignable continuous panel controls (6 knobs, vs. 4 knobs + 6 sliders), though of course your Arturia also covers the latter. (ETA: The other possible trade-off is the variable of your opinion of the FA08 action vs. the PX5S action.)

Just to keep travel weight down, an alternative I might consider would be to stick with the PX5S and replace the Arturia with an FA06 (or FA07), if the combination of those boards could still cover what the Arturia does for you. One notable loss would be aftertouch, though. {sigh}


Edited by AnotherScott (06/22/17 07:04 AM)
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#2862178 - 06/22/17 05:38 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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I did the update to 2.0 this morning, no issues. They added a few new factory presets to demo the sound remain/switching thing. Lots of possibilities there.
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#2862285 - 06/22/17 04:26 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: DanL]
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Does anyone have any inside info on the new EXP-11 that's coming out?
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#2862290 - 06/22/17 05:53 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Gatorjohn50]
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Does anyone have any inside info on the new EXP-11 that's coming out?


This, perhaps?

http://axial.roland.com/category/rd-2000/

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#2862292 - 06/22/17 06:05 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: wd8dky]
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FWIW, Thomann has an estimated delivery date of Aug 22 for the FA-07 in Europe.
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#2862295 - 06/22/17 07:04 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: wd8dky]
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Does anyone have any inside info on the new EXP-11 that's coming out?


This, perhaps?

http://axial.roland.com/category/rd-2000/



No sir, this. In the first paragraph after the video.

https://www.gak.co.uk/en/roland-fa-07-76-key-workstation/909165
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#2862319 - 06/23/17 02:51 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Gatorjohn50]
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Originally Posted By: wd8dky
Originally Posted By: Gatorjohn50
Does anyone have any inside info on the new EXP-11 that's coming out?


This, perhaps?

http://axial.roland.com/category/rd-2000/



No sir, this. In the first paragraph after the video.

https://www.gak.co.uk/en/roland-fa-07-76-key-workstation/909165


Thank you! It sounds intriguing. I'll keep an eye out.

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#2862432 - 06/23/17 01:29 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: wd8dky]
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Re: EXP 11 - there's some speculation over at Roland Clan.

One user there noticed there was an extra slot in internal memory (where there used to be a total of 12 there's now a total of 13) so they've definitely made room for an additional EXP (you can't load more than 2 of course, but I believe this is so they each have unique Bank/Program (MSB/LSB/PC) numbering.

If we could only load more than 2 at a time...

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#2862442 - 06/23/17 02:37 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: llatham]
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These downloadable patches, are they just programmed patches or do they contain wave data as well? I haven't personally owned a Roland since XP-80/JV-2080 generation. So I haven't used the Axial website before. How big are the files usually? And with these storage slots you say there's already preset program locations so # off timbres limited by memory location not size?
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#2862452 - 06/23/17 03:00 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Axial has two kinds of downloads... some are synth programs which contain no new waves and do not take up the virtual expansion slots that some Roland products have, others have wave data and do use up a slot (the DS has one slot, the FA has two). The ones available for the FA so far are at http://axial.roland.com/category/fa-06_fa-08/ - the ones that begin with EXP have wave data (and so far at least, they are all derived from the old SRX cards).
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#2862459 - 06/23/17 03:54 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Got it, so the slots are for wav data. The non-EX sounds are just parameter programming and call on stock wavs or other internal synthesis engines. The EX downloads actually contain additional wav data and take up an expansion slot.

There is sampling and storage for samples on the FAs, but if I understand right it's single layer and intended for trigger via the pads? Not for user patch design, key mapping, etc.
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#2862463 - 06/23/17 04:22 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Got it, so the slots are for wav data. The non-EX sounds are just parameter programming and call on stock wavs or other internal synthesis engines. The EX downloads actually contain additional wav data and take up an expansion slot.

There is sampling and storage for samples on the FAs, but if I understand right it's single layer and intended for trigger via the pads? Not for user patch design, key mapping, etc.

Yes to all, though there is apparently some way to trigger the samples from keys as well.
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#2862464 - 06/23/17 04:37 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Yes to all, though there is apparently some way to trigger the samples from keys as well.


Correct. The assignments are constant.

C1 = Pad 1 C#1 = Pad 2, and so forth.

I used this when I was using my MOXF over my FA08 to trigger a pad.

On Studio sets you dont want this you need to make sure you turn off the option when using an external board to play some things on the FA, or else you get unintended triggering. Ask me how I know.

I found it to be a great feature for ergonomics while playing.
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#2862465 - 06/23/17 04:47 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Yes to all, though there is apparently some way to trigger the samples from keys as well.


Correct. The assignments are constant.

C1 = Pad 1 C#1 = Pad 2, and so forth.

I used this when I was using my MOXF over my FA08 to trigger a pad.

On Studio sets you dont want this you need to make sure you turn off the option when using an external board to play some things on the FA, or else you get unintended triggering. Ask me how I know.

I found it to be a great feature for ergonomics while playing.


Very handy feature. I use the keyboard to trigger samples for a few songs myself while using the pads to switch sounds at the same time. Just wish the sustain pedal would work with the samples! Or maybe it does but it's turned off by default and I haven't looked yet...
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#2862467 - 06/23/17 05:04 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Nadroj]
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Yes to all, though there is apparently some way to trigger the samples from keys as well.


Correct. The assignments are constant.

C1 = Pad 1 C#1 = Pad 2, and so forth.

I used this when I was using my MOXF over my FA08 to trigger a pad.

On Studio sets you dont want this you need to make sure you turn off the option when using an external board to play some things on the FA, or else you get unintended triggering. Ask me how I know.

I found it to be a great feature for ergonomics while playing.


Very handy feature. I use the keyboard to trigger samples for a few songs myself while using the pads to switch sounds at the same time. Just wish the sustain pedal would work with the samples! Or maybe it does but it's turned off by default and I haven't looked yet...


I have not looked for that either. I'm too busy having fun learning new things to do with 2.0 smile
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#2862483 - 06/23/17 07:53 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Just played the FA-07 today at Gearfest. I will confirm that the action is a substantial improvement over the 06, which was set up just above it so I had an immediate comparison. It didn't feel as good as the action on my Jupiter-80, but it was very nice. Dare I say you could even play piano on it, in a pinch.

The real estate on the left side of the panel did not appear to be large enough to completely host a Boutique synth. Probably would be about two inches of overhang.

Overall, I think Roland has a winner here. twothumbs
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#2862492 - 06/23/17 09:14 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Moonglow]
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Just played the FA-07 today at Gearfest. I will confirm that the action is a substantial improvement over the 06, which was set up just above it so I had an immediate comparison. It didn't feel as good as the action on my Jupiter-80, but it was very nice. Dare I say you could even play piano on it, in a pinch.

The real estate on the left side of the panel did not appear to be large enough to completely host a Boutique synth. Probably would be about two inches of overhang.

Overall, I think Roland has a winner here. twothumbs


Thank you for that report!
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#2862495 - 06/23/17 09:20 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Moonglow]
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Just played the FA-07 today at Gearfest. I will confirm that the action is a substantial improvement over the 06, which was set up just above it so I had an immediate comparison.


Wonderful news and thank you so much for the report! I'll definitely be picking one of these up when they reach New Zealand. May be a wee while. laugh


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#2862497 - 06/23/17 09:27 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: kayriss]
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Allen_Evett confirms the same,

"I tried the FA-07 this afternoon. It's very playable, and quite smooth to the touch. The action is way ahead of the FA-06; it feels identical to the one in my Jupiter-50."
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#2862498 - 06/23/17 09:33 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Moonglow]
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Just played the FA-07 today at Gearfest. I will confirm that the action is a substantial improvement over the 06.

Oh jeez...I sense my pockets getting lighter in the next couple of months! If I do end up getting the FA-07, it would replace my aging TR-76 as a second tier board on big gigs and a stand-alone board on smaller gigs..I'll miss the aftertouch a bit...but the sampling pads would be VERY useful for the gigs I've been doing over the last couple years...and the lack of user Program/Combi slots on the TR has become extremely frustrating...To be honest, I haven't yet found a perfect replacement for my needs...The Kurzweil PC3 was probably the one I was closest to buying, but I think I'd find it's small screen frustrating eventually, and I hear that the action on the 76 key is polarizing...the Forte is pricey and not available in unweighted keys...Yamaha doesn't make a MOX7, and besides I've already got a MOXF8...Korg decided to put a weighted action in their 73 Kronos (plus the 2-minute boot up would be a problem for some of my gigs). I still consider the FA-07 a compromise (ideally, I'd want aftertouch and sliders/drawbars on this 2nd board), but it's about as close as I've seen to what I'm looking for

Moonglow, you say the action is noticeably better...is that in terms of the action itself, the key-size, or both? Also, was the finish on the chassis the same glossy style as the 06, or was it matte?
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#2862509 - 06/23/17 11:16 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: SHaka40]
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Moonglow, you say the action is noticeably better...is that in terms of the action itself, the key-size, or both?

Both.

Originally Posted By: SHaka40
Also, was the finish on the chassis the same glossy style as the 06, or was it matte?

I don't remember, actually. The extent to which it was glossy vs. matte didn't really make an impression one way or the other.

I think one of the features of a good action is that it doesn't get in the way of your playing, so you don't really think about it because it's not distracting you from doing what you want to do. That was my experience with this action.
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#2862530 - 06/24/17 06:07 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Moonglow]
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Over to you Korg and the GrandStage...

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#2862531 - 06/24/17 06:33 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: SHaka40]
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I still consider the FA-07 a compromise (ideally, I'd want aftertouch and sliders/drawbars on this 2nd board), but it's about as close as I've seen to what I'm looking for

Same here, and I'd gladly pay more for it. The only current 7x semi-weighted boards I can think of with drawbars/sliders and aftertouch are Nord Stage 2EX/3 and the too-heavy (and long-in-the-tooth) Kurzweil PC3A7/K7.

Originally Posted By: SHaka40
Also, was the finish on the chassis the same glossy style as the 06, or was it matte?

I'm curious about that too...
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#2862537 - 06/24/17 07:38 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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I still consider the FA-07 a compromise (ideally, I'd want aftertouch and sliders/drawbars on this 2nd board), but it's about as close as I've seen to what I'm looking for

Same here, and I'd gladly pay more for it. The only current 7x semi-weighted boards I can think of with drawbars/sliders and aftertouch are Nord Stage 2EX/3 and the too-heavy (and long-in-the-tooth) Kurzweil PC3A7/K7.


Forgot to mention the Nord stuff. The Stage does indeed come very close to what I need, but the limited multi-timbral capabilities (especially when combined with the fixed slit points) scares me. My old TR allows me 8 sounds at a time in a Combi, and I can put them wherever I want! Considering the price-point of Nord's boards, I don't think I'm willing to make that compromise the way I'm willing to live without aftertouch and drawbars on a ~$1500 FA07...
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#2862543 - 06/24/17 08:33 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: SHaka40]
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and that's how it goes... right instrument for the right job at the right price. this is a different calculation for all of us - GAS aside. Always a moving target for the developers to pin point... but it looks like Roland may have a winner here not unlike they proved an $899 VR would sell like hot cakes despite the cheap build, action, and draw bars.
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#2862546 - 06/24/17 08:43 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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I still consider the FA-07 a compromise (ideally, I'd want aftertouch and sliders/drawbars on this 2nd board), but it's about as close as I've seen to what I'm looking for

Same here, and I'd gladly pay more for it. The only current 7x semi-weighted boards I can think of with drawbars/sliders and aftertouch are Nord Stage 2EX/3 and the too-heavy (and long-in-the-tooth) Kurzweil PC3A7/K7.


No aftertouch, no sale.

Roland, Yamaha, Kurzweil, etc. you are competing with inexpensive lightweight controller keyboards with semi-weighted keys, _aftertouch_ and 9 faders plus knobs, switches, pitch/mod wheels, coupled with a powerful laptop and amazing software.

I like dedicated boards but not when lacking critical features like aftertouch. Especially in any keyboard that can go beyond piano and do synths, strings, horns, etc.

So for me this new Roland is a miss. For everyone who doesn't need what's missing, enjoy the new shiny (or matte?).

And speaking of Kurzweil, I'd also love to see a Kurzweil Artis7 with aftertouch. Or a lighter Forte7 with a semi-weighted keyboard, especially if the sequencer comes back. The PC3 variants, despite having been around for a while, are still some of the more capable all-arounders. The newer Kurzweils, despite some great improvements, oddly left off some of the PC3 capabilities.

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#2862548 - 06/24/17 08:49 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Also, was the finish on the chassis the same glossy style as the 06, or was it matte?

I'm curious about that too...

Geez, sorry I can't be of more assistance. Maybe leaning toward glossy or slightly glossy? But I don't recall seeing myself in the reflection of the keys. wink

Perhaps brother Allan Evett can chime in here.
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#2862549 - 06/24/17 08:53 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: SHaka40]
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I still consider the FA-07 a compromise (ideally, I'd want aftertouch and sliders/drawbars on this 2nd board), but it's about as close as I've seen to what I'm looking for

Same here, and I'd gladly pay more for it. The only current 7x semi-weighted boards I can think of with drawbars/sliders and aftertouch are Nord Stage 2EX/3 and the too-heavy (and long-in-the-tooth) Kurzweil PC3A7/K7.

Forgot to mention the Nord stuff. The Stage does indeed come very close to what I need, but the limited multi-timbral capabilities (especially when combined with the fixed slit points) scares me.

Yes, the Nord Stage and the FA have some very different strengths, both sonically and operationally.

But you know, the Nord and Kurz I mentioned are all $3k. Roland could take this $1500 FA-07, add drawbars and aftertouch, price it at $2k, and still beat 'em by a grand. If, for that extra $500, they were able to throw in the ability to fully map custom samples to the keys as you can in the DS, that would be a really killer board. Here's hoping for an "FA-07 Plus" some day... but for now, this ain't bad.
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#2862557 - 06/24/17 09:29 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Another vídeo about fa07: https://youtu.be/1Dw-Xy2Zq-4

Sadly, It seems that key size is same than fa06.


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#2862558 - 06/24/17 09:35 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Xfeten]
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Hard to say... That over head shot is so skewed, the whole body looks warped.

Two forumites confirm it's not the same action as the 06, more similar if not the same as the Jupiter-50. Moonglow feels the length width is different as well as feel.
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#2862561 - 06/24/17 09:52 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Two forumites confirm it's not the same action as the 06, more similar if not the same as the Jupiter-50. Moonglow feels the length width is different as well as feel.

The key size of the FA-07 differs to that of the FA-06 to the same degree that the key size of the Jupiter-50 differs to that of the FA-06. Hope that makes sense!
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#2862562 - 06/24/17 10:10 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Moonglow]
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Thanks, Moonglow! It,s a good new.

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#2862567 - 06/24/17 11:22 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Moonglow]
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Geez, sorry I can't be of more assistance. Maybe leaning toward glossy or slightly glossy? But I don't recall seeing myself in the reflection of the keys. wink

We're not talking about how glossy the keys are, but how glossy the control panel is. The FA-06 is pretty reflective, and people have complained that it attracts dust and fingerprints and can be hard to read in some lighting conditions. The JD-XA had the same issue, and Roland actually offered a free matte overlay.

https://ask.audio/articles/roland-jd-xa-...t-is-to-install

Roland hasn't made a matte overlay for the FA-06/08, but someone else makes one and sells it. So the question is whether the FA-07 is in the same boat, or if Roland addressed the issue in this version. But while someone did post an image that looked less reflective, based on the videos, I think it probably has the same finish as always, unless the difference is more subtle than what's apparent there.


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#2862570 - 06/24/17 11:48 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
We're not talking about how glossy the keys are, but how glossy the control panel is. The FA-06 is pretty reflective, and people have complained that it attracts dust and fingerprints and can be hard to read in some lighting conditions. The JD-XA had the same issue, and Roland actually offered a free matte overlay.

Ah, sorry 'bout that...my bad. I did check that out. I'm sorry to report that the control panel appears to be the same as the FA-06. So reports of it being overly reflective, collecting dust/fingerprints, being hard to read, etc., will likely continue.
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#2862619 - 06/24/17 08:11 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: kayriss]
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After looking at the online demoes of this I am starting to grow cautiously optimistic as well, as I would love to add a piece of Roland gear to my travel setup. Like some others here I just can't handle the keyboard action of either the VR-09 or the FA-06. Since the integrated organ engine can be controlled by a DB-1 or similar controller, I think that I will head over to Gearfest at Sweetwater this weekend to see if the Roland reps have an FA-07 available to demo so I can test the action.


I can't wait to hear what you make of the key action! I parted with my FA-06 several months ago purely because of the keybed. If the FA-07's action is anything similar to the Jupiter-50, then it's a game changer for me. My back is too broken to lug the FA-08 around. laugh


I am back from Gearfest as well, and I can confirm what both Allen_Everett & Moonglow have said.......The FA-07 action is indeed different from that of the FA-06. The FA-06 there was located directly above the FA-07. One of the Roland reps actually measured it for me, and we confirmed that the white keys are longer...and the black keys actually had a wider top surface than the FA-06 (e.g. less trapezoidal). These felt more solid to play on as well. Finally, the feel of the FA-07 action was slightly heavier than the FA-06. Playing it felt more natural, and triggering voices seemed even and consistent throughout the entire playing range. Definitely an improvement!

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#2862632 - 06/25/17 04:02 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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That's good news. The FA-06 action is the same as the VR-09. I have played both boards, and can't connect with the action on either.

Strangely, I play better AP on the FA than the VR, though. Perhaps the velocity mapping is better?
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#2862647 - 06/25/17 05:54 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: WesG]
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That's good news. The FA-06 action is the same as the VR-09. I have played both boards, and can't connect with the action on either.

Strangely, I play better AP on the FA than the VR, though. Perhaps the velocity mapping is better?



Wes, without derailing this thread I kept thinking to myself, if Roland would only switch to this action on the VR-09, add a "Sub out" jack and do some sort of version 2.0 software update on the VR-09 to improve MIDI options and patch selection, that would be a colossal improvement!
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#2862654 - 06/25/17 06:38 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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That's good news. The FA-06 action is the same as the VR-09. I have played both boards, and can't connect with the action on either.

Strangely, I play better AP on the FA than the VR, though. Perhaps the velocity mapping is better?



Wes, without derailing this thread I kept thinking to myself, if Roland would only switch to this action on the VR-09, add a "Sub out" jack and do some sort of version 2.0 software update on the VR-09 to improve MIDI options and patch selection, that would be a colossal improvement!


This would be a VR-7XX (enter your own last two digits). Roland ceded the over $1k clone wheel combo organ market to Hammond-Suzuki and Nord when they discontinued the 700 and released the compromised budget friendly 09. And it's been successful for them, they were right about there being a market for the 09. But I agree, it's one of the worst actions Roland has ever put on a keyboard, the build its cheap, the drawbars suck... blah blah.

I bought a VR-700 fairly recently specifically for its quality action and drawbars, feature set, and build even without the sub out. Are players that prioritize build and action in the minority? I'm not sure. Keeping weight down is a bonus for everyone, but there must be a sweet spot in there somewhere.

All in all I agree, the FA series has been successful for Roland as well. If they married the FA series to their VR-XXX series this would be a killer board dependant on them figuring out which features from each to include.

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#2862665 - 06/25/17 07:50 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: The_Star_Guy]
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Wes, without derailing this thread I kept thinking to myself, if Roland would only switch to this action on the VR-09, add a "Sub out" jack and do some sort of version 2.0 software update on the VR-09 to improve MIDI options and patch selection, that would be a colossal improvement!

There is a long list of things that frustratingly just miss the mark about the VR09, and adding drawbars to the FA-07 fixes an awful lot of them. In this respect, it would be easier to add that one missing VR thing to the FA than all the other missing stuff to the VR... though there are some other VR advantages (like C/V, transistor organs) and things that are different where one could prefer one or the other (different Leslie sim, different effects options). For organ, I think the overdrive on the VR is better, but an external pedal like the Vent beats them both, and you can much more easily put the Vent on the FA with that assignable out... all it takes is $. ;-)

I would love to see some software improvements for the VR, but especially since it is largely positioned on price and as an entry-level unit, I would be surprised to see much in the way of hardware improvements like upgraded action or sub-out.
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#2862683 - 06/25/17 09:36 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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I should sell my Motif XF7 and buy an FA-07. Would make so much more sense ...
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#2862689 - 06/25/17 09:58 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: MotiDave]
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You know, OT, I can't help but think Tee should be going in this direction.
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#2862691 - 06/25/17 10:09 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Whatever it costs, I wish it were $100-$200 more and had aftertouch.


Again? Dammit. I have no more *sighs* or to give.
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#2862693 - 06/25/17 10:25 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: MotiDave]
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I should sell my Motif XF7 and buy an FA-07. Would make so much more sense ...

Tough one. FA gives you the lighter travel weight, the VA synth, 9-drawbar organ, trigger pads, generally better interface. But I think most of the Roland rompler sounds still lag Yamaha, and the XF7 has the aftertouch and (with the flash card) the sample loading expansion.

My personal version of this same dilemma is that I find the FA-07 really appealing, but its most obvious function in my rig would be to replace a MOXF6, but I think I'd really miss the Yamaha. So it's either gig with both (meaning 3 or possibly even 4 boards, as I now typically gig with 2 or 3), or replace my 88 with a MOXF8 which is a great board, but heavier and with lesser action compared to what I'm using.
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#2862702 - 06/25/17 11:09 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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The FA07 changes my buying decision.

A surprising competitor to the FA06 is the Casio MZ-x500. It came out a year ago or so and has many of the same features of the FA series: pads, sequencer, user friendliness, sampling, etc. It's strong suit over the FA series are that the pads are larger and velocity sensitive, and a big one for me, it has speakers, 40 watts of speakers projecting up and back, that's a lot of onboard sound. It also has at least a middle of the road keybed, not the horrible shallow throw of the FA06.

In deciding between these two boards my main considerations were sounds that would inspire me and keybed feel. My biggest hesitation is not trusting that Casio has got sounds that will inspire me. I've had the WK7600 for a few years, and am consistently frustrated and dissapointed playing it (Nord Stage Classic 88 for comparison). Of course price point is not the same, but just saying, a lot of times I don't even want to play the 7600, have to work very hard to find any sounds that are half way decent. That said, they've had the PX5s around for quite awhile, most people seem to regard it as a decent middle tier board for sound quality, with some outstanding hex layer synth and overal sound capabilitires. And of course the MZ-x500 inherits many of these sounds and hex layers.

But the keybed on the FA06 was a definite no. Talk about a turn off for playing. So if the FA07 has a reasonably good keybed, that changes the equation. While there's some super cool things you can do with the MZ-x500 pads, overall I trust Roland to have work flow and capabilities that have evolved thru the years, time tested, and will probably spend my money on a FA07 now.
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#2862707 - 06/25/17 11:46 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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My personal version of this same dilemma is that I find the FA-07 really appealing, but its most obvious function in my rig would be to replace a MOXF6, but I think I'd really miss the Yamaha. So it's either gig with both (meaning 3 or possibly even 4 boards, as I now typically gig with 2 or 3), or replace my 88 with a MOXF8 which is a great board, but heavier and with lesser action compared to what I'm using.

Scott, do you do the rack thing? If you replaced the MOXF6 with the FA-07, you could get a Motif EX-Rack which would give you the Yamaha sounds and not have to carry an extra keyboard.
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#2862714 - 06/25/17 12:19 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Moonglow]
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A surprising competitor to the FA06 is the Casio MZ-x500.

I haven't played one yet. On paper, yes, it looks pretty appealing. I would definitely have checked it out if there were a 7x key version. But as a 61, while I'm sure it's a good value, I had a hard time imagining how it could really replace anything I use.

Originally Posted By: Randelph
That said, they've had the PX5s around for quite awhile, most people seem to regard it as a decent middle tier board for sound quality, with some outstanding hex layer synth and overal sound capabilitires. And of course the MZ-x500 inherits many of these sounds and hex layers.

Yes, and that's part of what limits my enthusiasm there... because while I think the PX5S is a very cool board, I also think that strictly from a rompler perspective--strings and brass for example--it doesn't really compete with Roland. But even the FA-06 could not have swayed me away from the MOXF6. The 07 is tempting though, between the 76 keys, the improved action, and the new 2.0 software features.

Originally Posted By: Moonglow
Scott, do you do the rack thing? If you replaced the MOXF6 with the FA-07, you could get a Motif EX-Rack which would give you the Yamaha sounds and not have to carry an extra keyboard.

I don't generally use a rack. I'm glad Yamaha has a rack module available, but they have a kind of funny combination now... the MOXF6 has the full Motif XF sound library and flash card; the Rack XS has a subset of the sounds and no flash card; the MX49 has a smaller subset of sounds, but actually weighs less than the rack unit!

If I could put together the right stands, 4 non-deep, non-high boards on stage may not have to look overwhelming. The total footprint of a Casio 88, FA-07, Nord 73, and MX49 might not be too goofy looking sans cape, maybe I'll play with something like that at some point. But it's still a bit more shlepping and setup time, even if the boards are all pretty light.
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#2862720 - 06/25/17 12:36 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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AnotherScott - on what sounds do you think Yamaha trumps Roland? How about strings and brass?

Would an FA-07 + Vent and MX49 not be a good solution?

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#2862728 - 06/25/17 01:09 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Marillo]
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I think they're just different - the Roland pcm stuff from the SRJV days through the SRX and on into the Supernatural stuff tends to always be - for lack of words to describe sound... shiny, clear, processed, fx laden, maybe even thin if that's a negative or a positive for how you fit in your mix. It's always recorded, processed, programmed a certain way and when you hear them together on an internal demo for example - you go, that's a Roland (even if the technique can actually be attributed to Eric Persing going back to the sampling work on hardware like the S700). Roland always sounds great on brass and strings.

Yamaha similarly has a huge amount of time invested in AWM AWM2 sound development. So many great sample libraries, programmed patches. To me they tend to sound more like classic recordings of these instruments in historical context. Less hyped or processed to sound like they're all in a collection. I love using a Yamaha when I don't want to sound like a Roland. Haha.

Again very generalized, hard to express, and just opinion. This is stuff we notice, audiences can't tell the difference. We're lucky if they hear anything beyond, "that timbre is a synth... that's a sax... wait no, it's a trumpet. And that's a violin!" where you or I might hear it's actually a cello, or "that's a JP8 strings patch" you know?. Audience doesn't notice these subtleties.

Side note: if stuck in a situation where I needed to use an organ preset for let's say a rock or blues solo - I'd take the Roland sound - even if it were the stock patch on a JV-1080.
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#2862740 - 06/25/17 01:42 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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...audiences can't tell the difference. We're lucky if they hear anything beyond, "that timbre is a synth... that's a sax... wait no, it's a trumpet. And that's a violin!" where you or I might hear it's actually a cello, or "that's a JP8 strings patch" you know?. Audience doesn't notice these subtleties.


I did a show where I used a Hohner Melodica. One person actually asked on FB "what was that strange clarinet thing" that I was playing?

OT. Sorry.





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#2862775 - 06/25/17 06:23 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Marillo]
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AnotherScott - on what sounds do you think Yamaha trumps Roland? How about strings and brass?

I'll defer to Elmer's response, since it sounds like he's done more direct comparison than I have. Also, I haven't had the opportunity to play with the strings/brass SRX expansions (which are freely downloadable into the FA), which would presumably be the best brass and string sounds for that instrument (apart from its SuperNatural Ensemble Strings).

One thing that I think makes it hard to do a simple Yamaha-Roland comparison is that different Rolands have different sound sets in them. Yamaha is a little more straightforward... i.e. the MX has a subset of the Motif XS sound set, the Rack XS has exactly the XS sound set, the MOXF has the Motif XF sound set which includes everything in the XS sound set and more. But I'm not aware of any similar rationale by which you could compare, say, the rompler sounds in the FA (XV-5080 sound set), with the rompler sounds in the DS (Juno-DI sound set), with the rompler sounds in the VR-09 (its own animal, I think)... if any of these is a subset/superset of any of the others, I am not aware of it. In fact, I posted a while back about how I thought the VR-09 (which has relatively few sounds) had an exceptionally good harmonica sound, and that sound was nowhere to be found in the FA or Integra7 (including any of the SRX expansions), nor (I believe) in the DS.

As a rule (though there are exceptions), when it comes to acoustic instrument sounds, I generally find the Casio just okay, the XV-5080 soundset (which is in the FA) better, and the MOXF soundset better still. (I can't give an sound-by-sound breakdown off-hand, but it's the general impression I've had when playing these instruments.) And while size isn't everything, it may not be irrelevant to this comparison that the XV-5080 soundset is 64 mb, and the Yamaha soundsets are much larger (from 166 mb in the MX, up to 741 mb in the MOXF). Though the FA has additional sounds beyond that 64 mb soundset... the 2 virtual expansion slots for SRX sounds (I think they are up to 64 mb each), and the SuperNatural sounds (which include clonewheel organ, VA synth, pianos/EPs/clav, basses, acoustic guitar, ensemble strings). But regardless of specs, all of these brands have some sounds that I really like.

Originally Posted By: Marillo
Would an FA-07 + Vent and MX49 not be a good solution?

That could be a very nice combination, if you are okay with not having any weighted action in the rig for your pianos. Someone else mentioned how the MX88 + FA-07 would be a killer rig for the money and weight. As would an MOXF8 + FA-07.
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#2862877 - 06/26/17 09:04 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Question for anyone who has upgraded their existing FA to the new 2.0 software... I know that one of the new features is "Seamlessly Switching Between Multiple Sounds While Performing (Sound Remain)" -- but as I recall, the FA already had some patch remain functionality. Can someone explain how this new functionality differs from how it worked before?
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#2862888 - 06/26/17 10:13 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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One of the new pad modes is Key Switch Group, which takes the old Key Switch a step farther.

First, it is tone remain within a Studio Set.

I have found it to very cool.

First, you can have 16 groups, and within those 16 groups, up to 16 tones in any combination.

For example, group 1 may contain your just your piano. Group two may contain your piano, with some strings. Group 3 may contain an EP, with strings, and synth pad, etc.. etc...

While playing group 2, I can sustain the strings, and hit the group 1 button. The strings will sound, then just the piano will play when I hit the keys again.

This comes in very handy in a Studio Set where the sounds you have may be layered in the same key ranges.

An example of how I tried it last night.

In Journey's Separate Ways, I have the keyboard split into three sections.

Upper has the intro tone. Middle has the main synth/brass sound, and bottom has the high piccolo sound for the break.(adjusted a few octave up so I can play with left hand)

The way I used to have it setup is the the intro and main would be played directly on the FA08.
The high piccolo would be play from my upper keyboard.

With the new key group switch, I can play all parts from the FA

Group 1 has the intro and main part tones.
Group 2 has the intro and high piccolo sound.

When coming into that part during the guitar solo, I can hit Pad 2 with my left hand while playing the intro part with my right hand, and never lose that sound. Then my high part is ready to go with my left hand.

Then I just hit Pad1 to go back to the original setup.

One of the big things this can do within a Studio Set, is help with note stealing, especially if you use some very heavy pads under your piano, for just certain parts.

The key switch turns off the part rather than just silencing it, so the part isn't using any polyphony, even if you have it silenced via volume.

The neat thing is now you can assign Pad Mode per studio set.

There are some Studio Sets where I would have the Pads set to Sample play, and some to Key Switch group.

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#2862896 - 06/26/17 10:46 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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It was one sound at a time before. Now you can group multiple sounds together and have them change.
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#2862897 - 06/26/17 10:50 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Marillo]
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AnotherScott - on what sounds do you think Yamaha trumps Roland? How about strings and brass?

Would an FA-07 + Vent and MX49 not be a good solution?


I think Yamaha is better on acoustic plucked strings, like guitars and basses. Strings, brass are all comparable. AP/EP are subjective. Roland wins on the synth side (in my opinion)
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#2862901 - 06/26/17 11:03 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: DanL]
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It was one sound at a time before. Now you can group multiple sounds together and have them change.



Thank you for saying in one sentence what took me an entire page wink

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#2862913 - 06/26/17 12:15 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Originally Posted By: DanL
It was one sound at a time before. Now you can group multiple sounds together and have them change.



Thank you for saying in one sentence what took me an entire page wink

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LOL! And here I was thinking wow, David just really explained it and all I did was answer with 1 sentence! I hadn't seen your reply before I posted mine! smile
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#2862947 - 06/26/17 02:38 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: DanL]
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Dave and Dan explained it well already. Nothing much more to say Scott, other than that it added a wealth of flexibility and use to the FA. Had a rehearsal for a conference gig tonight (3000 seat auditorium, will be my biggest gig to date!)

Two keyboard players, I got roped in last minute because one of the guitarists is now unable to do it so they want me to fill in the sound. Other keyboard player is taking care of piano stuff, so I'm using the FA as a glorified pad/synth machine. Due to the nature of the sounds, if I had done this gig before update 2.0 I would have needed to use at least 2-3 different studio sets, or even two keyboards. With the new feature I'm just using one studio set and am switching seamlessly between parts while looping stuff at the same time. So easy to use. Every song has a different setup, but one studio set is covering it all.

Such a handy little board, my FA-06 like
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#2863046 - 06/27/17 02:57 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Nadroj]
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Do you think possible to change the different pads scenes of a setup studio from a pedal?

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#2863446 - 06/28/17 01:52 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Marillo]
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Since the integrated organ engine can be controlled by a DB-1 or similar controller

just be aware that the DB1 is no longer in production... I'm not aware of any "similar" controller, as it needs to be able to send sysex, not merely MIDI CC. But maybe someone can suggest something...?

Thanks, AnotherScott! Since my "day job" is as a TV broadcast engineer with extensive programming & systems configuration experience, the single most important parameter for me is "is it possible"? Once I know that, then I can determine an appropriate course of action in locating a solution.
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It was great to hear the FA could be used with drawbars...and disappointing there are none available!

There is an answer if you have an iPad... real-time "drawbar" control, albeit as onscreen sliders...
http://mididesigner.com/qa/3093/roland-fa06-supernatural-synth-editor?show=4239#a4239
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#2863548 - 06/29/17 03:07 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Edited by Kalin (06/29/17 03:24 AM)
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#2863572 - 06/29/17 05:03 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: Marillo
It was great to hear the FA could be used with drawbars...and disappointing there are none available!

There is an answer if you have an iPad... real-time "drawbar" control, albeit as onscreen sliders...
http://mididesigner.com/qa/3093/roland-fa06-supernatural-synth-editor?show=4239#a4239

Alternatively: Use the phone/tablet as a CC->SysEx converter. Which means you can use a controller with physical sliders (Behringer X-Touch? Nektar P1?).

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#2863576 - 06/29/17 05:15 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Kalin]
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It says "Carefully selected vintage synth collection features famous Roland JUNO-106, Jupiter-80, D-50 and more" -- I assume that's a typo, and it's Jupiter 8, not Jupiter 80... 80 isn't vintage, and the FA already uses the same SN synth engine that's in the 80...
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#2863593 - 06/29/17 06:04 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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It says "Carefully selected vintage synth collection features famous Roland JUNO-106, Jupiter-80, D-50 and more" -- I assume that's a typo, and it's Jupiter 8, not Jupiter 80... 80 isn't vintage, and the FA already uses the same SN synth engine that's in the 80...


Most probably. The soundlist brings some thoughts about how new/useful would be this expansion having the Integra packs available for the FA and, of course, the extensive SN factory set..There are some new waves, no doubt.
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#2863685 - 06/29/17 11:25 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Ashville.Guru]
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It appears the EXP-11 can not be added to an Integra-7. I had the opportunity to chat with Daniel Fisher from Sweetwater when I was at Gearfest. He's the guy who does a lot of their synth demo videos. He didn't even know the EXP-11 existed when I asked him about it, so using my phone I showed him via the link that initially mentioned it in this thread. He said the EXP expansions are "hardwired" into the Integra, so the new EXP-11 can not be added.
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#2863690 - 06/29/17 11:52 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Moonglow]
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I can't say I expected anything different, there's never been any indication of there being any mechanism by which you could load new waves into the Integra7. But yeah, it would have been a nice surprise be find out we could load in the additional sound set from a USB stick, even though something like that would not survive a power cycle (you can't change what's in the ROM, and the memory that holds the "in use" expansions is not non-volatile).
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#2863696 - 06/29/17 12:24 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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So far I am finding EXP-11 to be a nice compliment to my FA08.

As far as the FA series goes, Roland really upped the game for us user with the latest software (2.0) release, and now this EXP.

The pad mode by studio set, keyboard group switch, and the Master Mode per part in a studio set really opens up a ton of possibilities.

I have created another Mainstage concert to test these thing out,
and it is flowing quite nicely.

The keyboard group switch really has to be tried to see it's possibilities. The example videos barely scratch the surface.
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#2863700 - 06/29/17 01:02 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Nadroj]
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There's a video of the FA with a vent on youtube and it sounds pretty damn nice. The vent can make almost anything into a high-end sounding clone wheel.


Yes agreed. So FA owners: Is the sub out independent from the main outs? Can you plug a Vent into the sub out and keep your Hammond sounds separate?

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#2863702 - 06/29/17 01:11 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Bill H.]
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There's a video of the FA with a vent on youtube and it sounds pretty damn nice. The vent can make almost anything into a high-end sounding clone wheel.


Yes agreed. So FA owners: Is the sub out independent from the main outs? Can you plug a Vent into the sub out and keep your Hammond sounds separate?


Bill, the sub out is independent from the main outs and you can rout any part in a studio set to the sub out. The sub out does not respond to volume, though. There are a coupla work-arounds, one of which is to send the Vent out to the audio in of the FA. David has another but it "Escapes" me at the moment (sorry... smile ).

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#2863707 - 06/29/17 01:22 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Joe P]
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That's all I need to know Joe thanks. FA-08 v.2 looks very appealing to me if I can get that organ out of the main outs. And I'm very familiar with Roland's Rotary sims sick A vent will cure that.

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#2863708 - 06/29/17 01:23 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Bill H.]
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Haha, back to that topic. We want an FA-07 with waterfall keys and drawbars, or the next generation VR-XXX!

In the meanwhile, time to pick up a second hand DB-1 or beg the developer to make a batch if enough people commit to a bulk order.

Or if he'd sell the design and firmware to someone interested in taking it over.

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#2863715 - 06/29/17 01:36 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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The sub out does not respond to volume, though. There are a coupla work-arounds, one of which is to send the Vent out to the audio in of the FA. David has another but it "Escapes" me at the moment (sorry... smile ).

I suppose you could just put a regular line-level volume pedal between the sub out and the Vent.

Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
pick up a second hand DB-1 or beg the developer to make a batch if enough people commit to a bulk order.

Maybe a kickstarter campaign?
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#2863717 - 06/29/17 01:45 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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pick up a second hand DB-1 or beg the developer to make a batch if enough people commit to a bulk order.

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Maybe a kickstarter campaign?


OB Dave is a forumite. I know I've read his posts that he is out of the business. But I wonder if he would be willing to do a run if something like kickstarter proved there was a market for 250, 500, 1000.
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#2863734 - 06/29/17 05:12 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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I told my wife I'm thinking I should sell my XF7 and buy an FA-07. I added MOXF6 as a fly-in version of my XF7 last year so I could use all of my hard-fought programming/libraries I'd designed over the last 5 yrs on fly-in gigs. As XF7 and MOXF6 are redundant, I now find it easier to just take the MOXF on local gigs too. XF sits unused except for a couple gigs a year I never converted to MOXF (but quickly could). An FA-07 would add a completely new different soundscape to the quiver.

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#2863740 - 06/29/17 05:51 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Joe P]
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Yes agreed. So FA owners: Is the sub out independent from the main outs? Can you plug a Vent into the sub out and keep your Hammond sounds separate?


Bill, the sub out is independent from the main outs and you can rout any part in a studio set to the sub out. The sub out does not respond to volume, though. There are a coupla work-arounds, one of which is to send the Vent out to the audio in of the FA. David has another but it "Escapes" me at the moment (sorry... smile ).



facepalm cheers

Okay, here is how I have my sub out setup.

First, by itself, the sub out volume can't be controlled from the FA.

The Parts assigned to Sub Out do respond to external CC7 messages.

With one exception, the only sounds going thru sub out in my setup are the organ, which I play from another, like my Arturia Keylab.

The volume knob or my FC7 attached to the Keylab control volume of the Sub Out.

Easy solution.

For Studio Sets where the sub out sound may be layered with Main out sounds, all parts are pre mixed in the studio set, so no volume control necessary.

My FA 08 Sub Out run thru my Lester K, then into my mixer.
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#2866414 - 07/12/17 01:30 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Bumping this thread up to offer this little tidbit. I did a very fast perusal of the last couple of pages, but didn't see any mention of it.

The Roland FA-07 features the Fatar TP/9S, the same action that is found in the Prophet 6/OB-6, NI Komplete Kontrol 25/49/61, etc.

I got this from a friend at Roland, so it seems pretty legit. I will reserve the right to claim innocence if it's false, but I feel pretty good about it at the moment.

Oh, and it's also 8.4 kg (18.5 lbs for you folks south of the border wink ), in case that hasn't come up. grin

So yeah, the action is WAAAAAAAY better than on the FA06.

(sorry if I'm repeating something already posted, as I mentioned, TL;DR rawk )
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#2866417 - 07/12/17 01:43 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Sven Golly]
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Bumping this thread up to offer this little tidbit. I did a very fast perusal of the last couple of pages, but didn't see any mention of it.

The Roland FA-07 features the Fatar TP/9S, the same action that is found in the Prophet 6/OB-6, NI Komplete Kontrol 25/49/61, etc.

I got this from a friend at Roland, so it seems pretty legit. I will reserve the right to claim innocence if it's false, but I feel pretty good about it at the moment.

Oh, and it's also 8.4 kg (18.5 lbs for you folks south of the border wink ), in case that hasn't come up. grin

So yeah, the action is WAAAAAAAY better than on the FA06.

(sorry if I'm repeating something already posted, as I mentioned, TL;DR rawk )



Cool like

That's good news for the FA07.

Regarding the 06, a row of Popsicle sticks tied to rubber bands is a better action wink
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#2866418 - 07/12/17 01:48 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Sven Golly]
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The Roland FA-07 features the Fatar TP/9S, the same action that is found in the Prophet 6/OB-6, NI Komplete Kontrol 25/49/61, etc.

That's also the action in the Kurzweil PC361/PC3A6/PC3K6 and the Novation SL MK II (all with aftertouch, unlike the Roland). Very nice action for non-piano work. I don't think it's what they used in the Jupiter 50, but still better than the FA-06/VR-09 action. Kind of like the much admired Korg M3/Kronos 61, though with a shorter travel, IIRC.
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#2866421 - 07/12/17 01:56 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Yes to all, though there is apparently some way to trigger the samples from keys as well.


Correct. The assignments are constant.

C1 = Pad 1 C#1 = Pad 2, and so forth.

I used this when I was using my MOXF over my FA08 to trigger a pad.

On Studio sets you dont want this you need to make sure you turn off the option when using an external board to play some things on the FA, or else you get unintended triggering.

What do you mean by "turn off the option"?
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#2866448 - 07/12/17 03:23 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Yes to all, though there is apparently some way to trigger the samples from keys as well.


Correct. The assignments are constant.

C1 = Pad 1 C#1 = Pad 2, and so forth.

I used this when I was using my MOXF over my FA08 to trigger a pad.

On Studio sets you dont want this you need to make sure you turn off the option when using an external board to play some things on the FA, or else you get unintended triggering.

What do you mean by "turn off the option"?


In Studio Set Common Edit Mode, you select Pad Part Select, then choose channel 1-16 or OFF.

By default Pad Part is on channel 16. So if you FA or an external instrument is transmitting note data on channel 16...or whatever channel the PADS in that Studio Set are assigned, you can trigger the pads.

I just go into the Studio Sets and select OFF, with the exception of the Studio Sets I want to trigger the pads from a key.
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#2866463 - 07/12/17 05:03 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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The Roland FA-07 features the Fatar TP/9S, the same action that is found in the Prophet 6/OB-6, NI Komplete Kontrol 25/49/61, etc.

I am going to assume this is a sick joke whistle

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#2866727 - 07/13/17 09:08 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: torhu]
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The Roland FA-07 features the Fatar TP/9S, the same action that is found in the Prophet 6/OB-6, NI Komplete Kontrol 25/49/61, etc.

I am going to assume this is a sick joke whistle


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#2867294 - 07/16/17 03:34 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Sven Golly]
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Is there a ship date announced for the FA-07 yet?
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#2867297 - 07/16/17 03:55 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: jeffinpghpa]
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Musicians Friend is showing an estimated ship date of Aug 4. For whatever that's worth...
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#2867394 - 07/17/17 08:01 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Musicians Friend is showing an estimated ship date of Aug 4. For whatever that's worth...


A few of the major online players are showing the same thing give or take a couple days.
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#2867511 - 07/17/17 03:43 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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I wonder if the TP-9 keybed will work for piano? I played a Jupiter-50 at the w/end and think I could manage it on that, although the 80 underneath was worse.

If it's closer to the 50 it might just work.

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#2867516 - 07/17/17 04:18 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Marillo]
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I wonder if the TP-9 keybed will work for piano?

There are variations of the TP9. The P used in the Numa Compact is not bad for piano (as non-hammer actions go); but I would not be as optimistic assuming it's indeed the S version from boards like the Kurz PC361. But you know, sometimes some version of an action can surprise you, and be better than you expect from past experience (or worse)... whether due to a different software implementation or a subtle change to the design that didn't justify a new model number, I don't know, but you can't assume that every action with a particular designation will feel the same. (And that doesn't even take into account unit-to-unit manufacturing variation, perhaps from sourcing components from different suppliers, I don't know, but that's something I've experienced as well.)
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#2867635 - 07/18/17 10:32 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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A fatar action seems more like a response to the complaints for Fa 06's, instead of a purposeful upgrade.


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#2867637 - 07/18/17 10:54 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: ApprenticeGary]
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A fatar action seems more like a response to the complaints for Fa 06's, instead of a purposeful upgrade.

or it could be as simple as that being the least expensive 76-key action currently available to them. It may be our good fortune that the FA-06 action doesn't exist in a bigger-than-61 key version, and having decided they wanted an FA-07, the time/expense of tooling up to create such an action may have made it sensible to evaluate other options, in-house and elsewhere. But it's all speculation. (Though if they wanted to be responsive to complaints about the Jupiter50 and the FA as commonly found online at least, they might have added aftertouch while they were at it. If it is a TP9, it is available with AT.)
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#2867641 - 07/18/17 11:36 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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I find it interesting that they didn't use an inhouse action (J50 for example) but went out to a third-party product. Wonder why?

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#2867643 - 07/18/17 11:56 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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I find it interesting that they didn't use an inhouse action (J50 for example) but went out to a third-party product. Wonder why?

Cheers Mike


Allow me.

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
or it could be as simple as that being the least expensive 76-key action currently available to them.


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#2867652 - 07/18/17 12:25 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Sven Golly]
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Allow me.
Got it first time, thanks Sven thu

If Scott is right, and Fatar's action (including Fatar's profit margin) is cheaper than Roland's own at-cost action, then I'm surprised.

(To pre-empt a load of replies, yes I can imagine a situation where Roland's "action department" is a profit centre, and so there's a cross-charge from the "instruments department" to the "action department" which includes a profit margin. And Roland Instruments found it cheaper to buy from Fatar including Fatar's margin, than from Roland Actions including Roland Action's profit margin).

In any event, always nice to see a decent action on a 76 board.

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#2867665 - 07/18/17 02:00 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: stoken6]
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If Scott is right, and Fatar's action (including Fatar's profit margin) is cheaper than Roland's own at-cost action, then I'm surprised.

(To pre-empt a load of replies, yes I can imagine a situation where Roland's "action department" is a profit centre, and so there's a cross-charge from the "instruments department" to the "action department" which includes a profit margin. And Roland Instruments found it cheaper to buy from Fatar including Fatar's margin, than from Roland Actions including Roland Action's profit margin).

Yes, but there are other possible scenarios as well. The Fatar design could be inherently cheaper to build based on mechanics, or Fatar's parts costs. Or based on where they're built, Fatar could have a lower cost of labor; or have some custom automation that eliminates what could otherwise be a more labor-intensive process for someone else. Or Fatar could own certain technology (patents) that lower their cost compared to companies that must license similar tech. Also, availability can be as important as price. Roland could have determined that it would take x amount of time to manufacture enough new actions to bring the board to market, and Fatar could have been equipped to get them what they needed more quickly. There's also questions of allocations of resources. For example, short of building a new manufacturing facility, producing a new action within existing lines of production could impact Roland's ability to produce as many as they need of the other actions they are already building. There are so many variables to these things... like I said, plenty of room for speculation. ;-)
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#2867670 - 07/18/17 02:17 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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+1 Scott - I like this debate!

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
The Fatar design could be inherently cheaper
Indeed, although given the volumes of keyboard actions produced by both companies, I would have expected them to drift down to similar cost bases. Otherwise Roland would have outsourced actions long ago. Just like Kurz and Nord have done, for example.

Originally Posted By: AnotherScott
Also, availability can be as important as price.
I can't deny it, although this doesn't feel like "big launch" flagship board that absolutely had to make a launch deadline. The suspicious part of me wondered if Roland had shutdown their "premium synth action" capacity after disappointing sales of the J80/J50 (remember the Fantom G7 had been discontinued long before that), and then decided to launch the FA07 after making that decision.

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like I said, plenty of room for speculation. ;-)
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#2867697 - 07/18/17 03:52 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: stoken6]
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Originally Posted By: stoken6
given the volumes of keyboard actions produced by both companies, I would have expected them to drift down to similar cost bases. Otherwise Roland would have outsourced actions long ago. Just like Kurz and Nord have done, for example.

I'm not sure Kurz or Nord have ever manufactured their own actions. Maybe Kurz back in the Midiboard days? But I suppose the cheaper boards get, the harder it is for a small company to be able to cost-effectively make for themselves what other companies specialize in.

As for similar cost bases, even Fatar themselves have a variety of actions at (presumably) a variety of prices. I don't know what determines pricing in this case, but it's usually a combination of factors... actual cost to manufacture; amortization of one-time fabrication costs; and competitively what the market will bear/justify... But it's obviously possible that it can be cost effective for a company to make certain actions themselves, while outsourcing others.
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#2867702 - 07/18/17 04:13 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Fatar is providing so many actions for so many keyboard manufacturers, they may very well have bested even Roland at the economy of scale. It's not a great development if it means less competition, less innovation, and actions are no longer a differentiating feature between keyboard developers. On the other hand, it may bring cost down to for end user. However, in this scenario a TP-09 plays much better than the action Roland stuck on the FA-06. Yet in weighted hammer designs, thank goodness Kawai, Yamaha and Roland still duke it out. Korg... no comment. wink
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#2870026 - 07/31/17 10:53 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Looks like the FA-07 is available and ready to ship today. Haven't decided if this is a GAS or pass yet.

Love the features, size and weight.

Not sure the sounds are for me or not. There are thousands of sounds in the FA series but much of the Integra, SRX, Axial type of history feels dated to me. I sold my Roland RD-700SX a few years ago with some SRX cards in it and not sure that's the sound I want to go back to.

Other than that, this board checks all the boxes for somthing I'd use a lot.
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#2870030 - 07/31/17 11:02 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: jeffinpghpa]
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The supernatural synth and other S/N sounds are hardly dated.
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#2870032 - 07/31/17 11:11 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: DanL]
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Originally Posted By: DanL
The supernatural synth and other S/N sounds are hardly dated.


Good to know Dan. The Guitar Center experience of headphones and auditioning thousands of sounds in 20 minutes is limiting, I'll admit. That's why I value your opinions.
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#2870041 - 07/31/17 11:38 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: jeffinpghpa]
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Originally Posted By: jeffinpghpa
Looks like the FA-07 is available and ready to ship today. Haven't decided if this is a GAS or pass yet.


Who has it in stock? I haven't seen it at the big online places.. they all say pre-order, expected between Aug 4 and 15...depending on retailer.
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#2870045 - 07/31/17 11:50 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Not sure if I'm supposed to mention on the forum, but I did get a notification from Sweetwater. I'm looking to purchase 2 boards right now and interested in this. Based on my goals and budget, and already having my Kurzweil Forte 7 gig ready, I am either going to buy a Viscount Legend Live + a Studiologic Sledge Black 2.0 as a pair (and using my new iPad for additional sounds), or I will buy a DMC-122/Gemini + a Roland FA-07 as a pair and have more versatility and internal options.
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#2870046 - 07/31/17 11:53 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: jeffinpghpa]
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I, too, got notification it'll ship tomorrow .
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#2870049 - 07/31/17 12:13 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: ChiefDanG]
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#2870056 - 07/31/17 01:01 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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#2870064 - 07/31/17 01:15 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: zephonic]
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I love the tp9 action, if that is indeed the one (or some variant) that Kurzweil used on the pc361. I think the Virus kb I had also had that action--whatever it was, it was outstanding.

If only this darn thing had aftertouch...I can rationalize sounds to a point if I know it would make a really nice controller for home use. That Virus I mentioned above really made me appreciate aftertouch and what can be done between a good action and good programming.

I still am interested though if it has the built-in audio interface like the other two.

edit: looked up the specs. This thing only weighs 18 pounds! That is insane! It might actually be too light from the sense of having it fly off your stand....I wonder if that is correct, doesn't seem possible.


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#2870065 - 07/31/17 01:21 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Stokely]
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I actually really want this board. Don't have time to integrate a new board into any live rig so ... ok, i'll wait.
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#2870068 - 07/31/17 01:33 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: MotiDave]
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An 18 pound keyboard shouldn't fly off of a stand under normal use. A Nord Electro 61 key board is under 18 pounds.
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#2870071 - 07/31/17 01:46 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: jeffinpghpa]
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Yeah, I guess I've always had "dense" old-school heavy boards, my most recent is a pc361 and it's pretty heavy for its size. It's a good thing overall as long as it holds up over time with a light chassis.

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#2870208 - 08/01/17 10:09 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Stokely]
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Has anyone taken delivery yet?

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#2870220 - 08/01/17 10:51 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Stokely]
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Originally Posted By: Stokely
Yeah, I guess I've always had "dense" old-school heavy boards, my most recent is a pc361 and it's pretty heavy for its size. It's a good thing overall as long as it holds up over time with a light chassis.


I played a Roland VR09 for a while. 12 lbs. It never felt like it was going to fly off a stand, and I don't always play gently.

The 18 lbs of the FA07 will be just fine.
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#2870230 - 08/01/17 11:21 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Even playing aggressive organ on an Electro, with swipes and smears and all that, it doesn't move as long as you have something for the board to get traction on. I put some adhesive rubber strips on my stand so there wasn't the metal bottom of the nord sitting on the metal arms of the stand.
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#2870384 - 08/02/17 07:08 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: zephonic]
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Sweetwater's site says "In Stock": https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/FA07


Mine was delivered yesterday, but I'm traveling for work and can't lay eyes on it for another week and a half. frown

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#2871220 - 08/06/17 07:03 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Sven Golly]
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Originally Posted By: Sven Golly
The Roland FA-07 features the Fatar TP/9S, the same action that is found in the Prophet 6/OB-6, NI Komplete Kontrol 25/49/61, etc.

I got this from a friend at Roland, so it seems pretty legit. I will reserve the right to claim innocence if it's false, but I feel pretty good about it at the moment.

FWIW, someone who just got an FA-07 posted this on facebook (in the Roland FA-06 / FA-07 / FA-08 group):

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As for the action, I do not have a problem with it. I had a Kurzweil PC3K6 (synth action) that I never could get accustomed to playing.... I'd say {it's} heavier than the PC3K6

Since the PC3K6 uses the TP/9 synth action, this would imply that is not the action in the FA-07. But it's still not definitive, as it's not impossible that the person could have typed the wrong Kurz model number, or misremember how it felt, or there could be differences in how a TP/9S could feel (as different organs with TP/8O don't all feel the same). I'm looking forward to hearing more reports about the feel as they hit the field, but the good news is, regardless of what's in it, every report I've seen from someone who has played one has been positive. Though I guess the common FA-06 reference point isn't the highest bar. ;-)

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#2872272 - 08/11/17 06:01 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: wd8dky]
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Waiting anxiously for the first user reviews on the forum....
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#2872274 - 08/11/17 06:11 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: jeffinpghpa]
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Originally Posted By: jeffinpghpa
Waiting anxiously for the first user reviews on the forum....


Yes, and I heard it is shipping with an overlay, I would be interested to know if that is true.

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#2872350 - 08/11/17 10:27 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Joe P]
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Originally Posted By: jeffinpghpa
Waiting anxiously for the first user reviews on the forum....


Yes, and I heard it is shipping with an overlay, I would be interested to know if that is true.


Someone on Roland Clan said his FA07 just arrived and it did come with overlays.
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#2872369 - 08/11/17 11:35 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: EscapeRocks]
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Looks like Scott is going to be our first in around here with the 07. Exciting times! smile
I'll have to settle for shop floor for now... Unless Scott says its a winner. (no pressure to be right about this, scott) wink

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#2873565 - 08/17/17 01:22 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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#2873638 - 08/18/17 12:43 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: jeffinpghpa]
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Hi all,

i am new here smile pls forgive my english language...great forum! smile
i am an "rather old but not so old" piano/keyboard player..
i am very attracted by this Roland FA07, i saw some youtube demonstration videos and i think it could like it!, i am not a "live player" so i'd use it in home studio..

..i am wondering about the following things about the Roland FA07:

- in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dw-Xy2Zq-4, Scott Tibbs, says circa at 1m.34s "roland fa07 has all that previous Fa06/Fa08 have, but also new sounds.."
so anyone knows about "what new sounds" is talking about ?
since i thought that roland fa06/07/08 series share all the same sounds..
instead seems that roland fa07 could have different (new) sounds..from the previous fa06/fa08

- another thing is related to the sequencer:
say that i am recording a single track in the internal roland fa07 sequencer using the "JP8 strings1"..well
if i turn left/right the "sound modify knobs" excatly like in this frame (video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dw-Xy2Zq-4&feature=youtu.be&t=66 still while i am recording,
Will this information be recorded into the sequencer track ?
i mean, after finished recording, hearing the recorded track, will i hear the effects of the turned knobs during the recording session ?

thanks in advance..
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#2873677 - 08/18/17 05:41 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: oldkeyboardplay]
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Originally Posted By: oldkeyboardplay
in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dw-Xy2Zq-4, Scott Tibbs, says circa at 1m.34s "roland fa07 has all that previous Fa06/Fa08 have, but also new sounds.."
so anyone knows about "what new sounds" is talking about ?
since i thought that roland fa06/07/08 series share all the same sounds.

Good catch! I think he made a mistake. Concurrently with the announcement of the FA-07, Roland introduced the new 2.0 software and the new downloadable EXP-11 sound pack, so I'm guessing that's what he was thinking about. But the new software and EXP-11 can also be downloaded into the existing FA-06 and FA-08. He also made a mistake later when he said that the FA-07 included all the SuperNatural sounds of the Integra. It includes a subset. Significantly, it is missing most of the SN Acoustic tones.
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#2875713 - 08/29/17 03:47 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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hi Scott,

i really thank you for pointed it out to me..i didn't know those details;
then, in the light of what you wrote about FA07 missing most of SN Acoustic tones,
it would be great, if in the near future, Roland could introduce these missing tones
in new downlodable EXP sounds pack!..But maybe is only "a dream" cause I have doubts that they will do that, since Integra 7 will might lose its value...but who knows..(i really do not know anything about marketing strategies)
my concern is to choose the best (right) keyboard suitable for me, since it's an important spending for me, infact i am attracted also from Yamaha MoxF8 that has a similar price range of the Roland FA07..
after reading some forum posts, from my limited knowledge, i have learned that Moxf8 has better Acoustic/Guitars sounds and powerful arpeggiator function..and Roland FA07 could have better piano and synth sounds
but Roland FA07(/FA06/FA08) arpeggiator function is so "weak/powerless" compared to the MoxF8 one ?
Did any forum user has got & tested the Roland FA07 yet ?

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#2875715 - 08/29/17 04:01 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: oldkeyboardplay]
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#2875721 - 08/29/17 04:26 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Gatorjohn50]
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Seems to be quite the delay in getting an fa07 in Europe. Most places I've checked won't have it in stock until early October.
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#2875726 - 08/29/17 05:19 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: oldkeyboardplay]
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Originally Posted By: oldkeyboardplay
in the light of what you wrote about FA07 missing most of SN Acoustic tones,
it would be great, if in the near future, Roland could introduce these missing tones
in new downlodable EXP sounds pack!..But maybe is only "a dream" cause I have doubts that they will do that, since Integra 7 will might lose its value...but who knows..(i really do not know anything about marketing strategies)

Yes, it might be a marketing decision to not offer additional SN acoustic tones, though it could also be a design limitation. The current EXP packs are strictly PCM sample data and their associated programs. SuperNatural Acoustic tones also include behavior modeling, and that code may have "nowhere to go" in the FA's downloadable data area. The Integra's virtual expansion slots do accept both straight PCM and also SuperNatural expansion sets, but all the expansion sets are, themselves, permanently stored in the machine, so "what's really where" could be a little nebulous.

Originally Posted By: oldkeyboardplay
i am attracted also from Yamaha MoxF8 that has a similar price range of the Roland FA07..
after reading some forum posts, from my limited knowledge, i have learned that Moxf8 has better Acoustic/Guitars sounds and powerful arpeggiator function..and Roland FA07 could have better piano and synth sounds

In case you missed it, MOXF7 and FA08 are compared in the thread at http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2689955
though the Roland's poor MIDI functionality has been addressed in the new 2.0 software upgrade.

The fact that you're looking at the FA07 rather than the 08 also means that the differences in travel weight and keyboard feel may be more significant as well.
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#2877905 - 09/08/17 12:18 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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hi Scott,
thank you again for your valuable and useful tips!
i have read about MOXF7 and FA08 comparison you linked,
and about what you wrote in your post..but i am not able to take a decision, yet :|
i'am looking for the Roland F07 and not FA08 cause FA07 price is the max budget i can afford and i'd use it it at home (so not need to travel with it)
i know FA08 has a different keybed (probably better than the Fa07, or not?) and 88 keys,
but i already own a Yamaha P-120 88 keys that is pretty old, but i like its keybed action (i think it has aftertouch too..) and so i could use Yamaha P120 as a "master keyboard" to eventually drive the FA07 sounds via midi (sincerely i dot not know if this is a good idea, but it might be...what do you think about?)
i am indeed doubtful about which keyboard to buy..i mean among Yamaha moxf8 and roland fa07...let me explain, so you might help me to dissolve my doubts:
my will is to buy a keyboard that has really good sounds and a lot of them..
cause i already own a computer DAW, so FA07/FA08 sequencer features are not so important,
and owning the yamaha P120, even Roland fa07 keybed quality might be not so critic albeit important,
so at the end, the most important feature are keyboard sounds!
and i must admit i have always loved Roland sounds..
This is the crucial point:
Is Roland FA07 keyboard worth buying for (only) its quality sounds (and total # of them)?
(Or does exist another keyboard with better and comparable quality & same nr.# of total sounds in its price range ?)

You might say that instead buying a keyboard, i should redirect my efforts in VST sounds, this could be true but i think roland FA07 has a lot of (good) sounds and buying comparable vst sounds could be very expensive.
Or am i wrong ?

Thanks...bye.


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#2877915 - 09/08/17 12:45 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: oldkeyboardplay]
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Originally Posted By: oldkeyboardplay
i know FA08 has a different keybed (probably better than the Fa07, or not?) and 88 keys,
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Not better/worse, different.

Originally Posted By: oldkeyboardplay
i could use Yamaha P120 as a "master keyboard" to eventually drive the FA07 sounds via midi (sincerely i dot not know if this is a good idea, but it might be...what do you think about?)

That should work fine, for the times you want to play the Roland from a more piano-like action.

Originally Posted By: oldkeyboardplay
This is the crucial point:
Is Roland FA07 keyboard worth buying for (only) its quality sounds (and total # of them)?
(Or does exist another keyboard with better and comparable quality & same nr.# of total sounds in its price range ?)

I have not been able to spend enough time to answer that conclusively, but in general, I'd say that the MOXF sounds better than the Roland overall, though there are certain areas where the Roland may be better. The other keyboard I'd look at in that price range would be the Kurzweil Artis7.
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#2882980 - 10/02/17 02:53 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Question for FA owners... If I have a two-sound Split (bass on lower par of keyboard), can I use the 16 trigger pads to select from among 16 sounds for my right hand part?
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#2882997 - 10/02/17 04:30 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Question for FA owners... If I have a two-sound Split (bass on lower par of keyboard), can I use the 16 trigger pads to select from among 16 sounds for my right hand part?


No, I don’t think this is possible. When in Split mode and Dual mode you only have two sounds available. However, this could be accomplished in Studio Set mode. You would assign your bass as program 1 and adjust the keyboard range to give you your desired range. Assign the other 15 sounds to the rest of the Studio Set slots and adjust all of their keyboard ranges to be above your bass range (this way any of them could be your right hand part).
Then set your pad mode to Keyboard Switch, turn the keyboard switch of the bass program #1 to ON. Make sure all the other parts have keyboard switch OFF. Set your cursor on the bass program and then save the Studio Set. Now, the bass is always on, as the left hand part and when you hit any of the other 15 pads, it selects your right hand part.


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#2883001 - 10/02/17 04:53 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: aellison62]
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Ah, so it sounds like the answer is, no, I can't use the pads to select from 16 right hand sounds, but I can use the pads to select from *15* right hand sounds! That will do, thanks!
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#2883006 - 10/02/17 05:13 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Yes, not too shabby ! Please note, I edited my post to change pad mode from Part Select to Keyboard Switch. With part select mode you can only choose one sound to play at a time. No good for what you want.
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#2883016 - 10/02/17 06:12 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: aellison62]
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Still cannot find any definitive "chatter" re the 07 keybed...I am seriously considering one, but no stores here (not that I cna get to them hahah) have any. I happened to be at one on the weekend (about 4 ours drive away - one way) but they didn't have any. Didn't even have a Kronos 73 (also on the radar) to try frown
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#2883028 - 10/02/17 07:26 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: miden]
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Still cannot find any definitive "chatter" re the 07 keybed...

I played the Jupiter 50 and the FA-07 side-by-side. The FA-07 action is not nearly as good as the Jupiter 50's. The keys are about the same length, but the Jupiter 50's keys feel about the same from the front to the back, whereas the rear two inches or so of the FA-07 get increasingly unresponsive (reminiscent of the FA-06, though reports I've seen from people who have played those two say that the FA-07 feels better then the FA-06).
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#2883037 - 10/02/17 08:35 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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To me the FA-07 keybed feels much closer to the FA-06 then the J-50. I actually preferred FA06 keys because on the FA07 black keys feel much stiffer then white keys.

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#2883039 - 10/02/17 08:47 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: gg22]
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From what I can recall of the 06, I'd agree with you, the 07 is closer to the 06 than it is to the J50. I didn't play the 06 and 07 in enough proximity to each other to make a confident comparison between those two, though. It's interesting that you prefer the 06 to the 07.
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#2883052 - 10/02/17 10:18 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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thanks guys, seems the keys won't be much good for piano/EP work then. Thats a bummer!
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#2883158 - 10/03/17 01:28 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: miden]
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Well, I'm going to dissent here and say I found the FA-07 ok for playing piano. I tested it alongside an 06 and a JP-50. I found it light years ahead of the 06, and not too far away from the JP-50...just kind of 'different' to the JP-50 but not necessarily worse.

Would I want to play solo Billy Joel on it? Probably not. But I'm in a classic rock band and it will be fine in that context. The light weight and great form factor was the clincher, along with the sample pads and sequencer.

I'm likely to pull the trigger on it to replace my CP4 as bottom board, which I love but is just a little too heavy for the third floor apartment I live on...and I'm gigging more lately!

The only thing I might GAS for is the Kurzweil SP-6 when that is released, but hey GAS never ends right?!

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#2883710 - 10/06/17 09:48 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Marillo]
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Originally Posted By: Marillo
I found it light years ahead of the 06, and not too far away from the JP-50...just kind of 'different' to the JP-50 but not necessarily worse.


Thanks Marillo, that's good to know! I regret not buying the JP-50 when they were on clearance here. I was hoping the FA-07 would be the next best thing (action-wise).

Like you I have a CP4, and with my already bad back I'm finding it harder to lug it to rehearsals and small gigs.

I'm actually swaying towards a VR-09 (which would save me north of $1000 over an FA-07). The action is nothing to write home about, but I gigged on a Juno Di for over 6 years and found it always got the job done. There are so many wonderful instruments to choose from right now! tired


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#2883746 - 10/07/17 07:40 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: kayriss]
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The VR-09 is great as a top board - I use one - but not sure the action or piano sounds quite cut it, certainly not if you're used to a CP-4.

You might be interested in the new VR-730 which is the updated version of the VR-09 and has a 73-note waterfall keyboard, along with some new electric piano sounds from the RD-2000 stage piano.

I don't know if Roland updated the acoustic piano sample in there, too. The one in the original VR-09 isn't great.

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#2883784 - 10/07/17 01:39 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Marillo]
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Good call! I've just looked up the VR-730 - sadly the price in NZ is almost $2200 USD compared to $1000 USD (approx) for a VR-09B.

The FA-07 is closer to $1700 USD here. Perhaps I should go back to the drawing board and reconsider the FA-07. I'm primarily a jazz piano player, but I play a lot of theatre music too. I'm sure the FA-07 action would get me by. Anyway, I would take my CP4 for a solo piano/jazz trio gig I reckon.

AnotherScott, do you think you'll keep your FA-07 despite your findings with the action?


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#2883905 - 10/08/17 01:41 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: aellison62]
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You would assign your bass as program 1 and adjust the keyboard range to give you your desired range. Assign the other 15 sounds to the rest of the Studio Set slots and adjust all of their keyboard ranges to be above your bass range (this way any of them could be your right hand part).
Then set your pad mode to Keyboard Switch, turn the keyboard switch of the bass program #1 to ON. Make sure all the other parts have keyboard switch OFF. Set your cursor on the bass program and then save the Studio Set. Now, the bass is always on, as the left hand part and when you hit any of the other 15 pads, it selects your right hand part.

Almost! The problem with this (for this purpose) is that, when you select a new RH part, it gets layered along with (rather than replacing) the previous RH part. So for example, if pad 2 = piano, and pad 3 = organ, and you are playing bass and piano (initiated by pressing pad #2), and you want to switch your RH sound to organ, you can't simply hit pad 3 to get to the organ, you also have to hit pad 2 again to turn off the piano.

BUT there is a way to effectively accomplish the goal. The key is to use the new "Keyboard Switch Group" feature of the 2.0 software upgrade. As you said, make sure sound #1 is the bass sound up to a certain key, restrict the other 15 sounds to play above that key. Then (using the same example assignments I mentioned above) you could turn on sounds 1 (bass) and 2 (piano) and save that assignment to button 2, and turn on sounds 1 (bass) and 3 (organ) and save that assignment to button 3, and then indeed, you can use button 2 to start playing bass+piano, and then press 3 to seamlessly switch to bass+organ. (And if you actually want a combination of more than one RH sound, you can create single buttons for that as well.)

This new feature is what actually makes the FA really usable for LH bass work. I started by trying to use the main program select buttons (beneath the display) to select RH sounds as I played, but there was no effective way to do that. Problem #1 was that there is no way to determine which sound comes up by default in each of the button-categories. Not only that... even if you manually navigate one of those buttons to the sound you want, if you switch away from it and come back, it doesn't remember he last sound you used and still takes you back to the factory default sound for that button. Yes, you can redefine what those buttons do by using the Favorite function, but a Favorite always redefines the entire keyboard, you can't use it to just select a RH sound for a split. You can set up Favorites with the different splits you want in advance (kind of the way we're talking about using the pads in KSG mode), but there is no patch remain for switching among them, so for example, your LH bass might glitch unless you time your sound change just right. With that nice Split display showing you what's playing on the left and the right, I was surprised at how poorly suited the FA seemed to be for doing LH bass! But the new 2.0 option provides a workable solution. You can set up LH bass combinations with the 15 sounds you use most often, and if you want to grab some other RH sound on the fly, you can still navigate to that part on the main screen and pull up some other sound. Though again, this would be so much better if you had more control over where the 10 buttons under the display would take you.

(ETA: You could also create another Studio Set with another set of 15 if need be. Unfortunately, there is no display you can call up that will tell you at a glance which sounds you have currently assigned to the 15 pads. I"m also not sure how quickly you could navigate from one set of 15 to another, and of course, there would be no patch remain between the two sets.)

I guess that, from the pictures of the displays and button layout, I had thought/hoped this would be well suited for seat-of-your-pants operation, grab the sounds you want as you need them and where you want them, but like most boards, it's really more oriented toward setting up what you need in advance, at least once you get beyond playing one sound at a time. That said, even though you pretty much need to set up your splits and layers in advance, it's easier to do on the FA than on many other boards.


Edited by AnotherScott (10/08/17 07:09 PM)
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#2883953 - 10/08/17 07:10 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: kayriss]
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AnotherScott, do you think you'll keep your FA-07 despite your findings with the action?

There's a lot I like about it, but it's going back. I might write more about it when I get a chance. Short version: I found the Kurzweil Artis7 to be better in almost every way, except for travel weight :-( and mostly things I don't care about (sequencer, rhythms, arpeggiator, d-beam, trigger pads which I often wouldn't be able to use as trigger pads anyway because I'd need to use them for patch selection, since as explained in the previous post, that's the only way to make it really work for LH bass).

Action, controls, patch navigation, patch remain functionality, LH bass flexibility, all favor the Kurz. Each has some sounds I like better than what's in the other (at least once you load some of the SRX/Axial stuff into the Roland), but I probably like more of the Kurz over the Roland (and if I were sufficiently motivated, I could still get the Roland sounds from the Integra7). Just too many trade-offs for the 9 lbs. Which I don't say lightly because 9 lbs is a lot.
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#2883963 - 10/08/17 07:59 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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I guess the Artis 7 would need to be, it is a LOT more expensive!
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#2883964 - 10/08/17 08:02 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: miden]
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The feedback from Scott on the action is disappointing to say the least.
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#2883966 - 10/08/17 08:07 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: miden]
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I guess the Artis 7 would need to be, it is a LOT more expensive!

Only a little more expensive in the U.S.... $1695 for the Kurz, $1499 for the Roland.
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#2884063 - 10/09/17 09:07 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: miden
I guess the Artis 7 would need to be, it is a LOT more expensive!

Only a little more expensive in the U.S.... $1695 for the Kurz, $1499 for the Roland.


Wow...great pricing! Out here the Artis goes for aout $2700, the Roland $1795
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#2884101 - 10/09/17 12:43 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: miden]
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Is it possible in a Keyboard switch group to assign to have a mixture of pads playing samples and others playing presets?

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#2884104 - 10/09/17 12:50 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Marillo]
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TBH, I am even considering going back to the A-70 and the laptop. The keyboards today are all okay, but each one you look at or consider always seems to have some thing you need to compromise on (unless you want to spend upwards of $5k grin ) and even then, they don't have everything one would want wink

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#2884109 - 10/09/17 01:14 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: miden]
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Wow...great pricing! Out here the Artis goes for aout $2700, the Roland $1795


I know right!? I can't even get the Artis 7 in New Zealand. frown

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#2884138 - 10/09/17 04:41 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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(Quote) Almost! The problem with this (for this purpose) is that, when you select a new RH part, it gets layered along with (rather than replacing) the previous RH part. So for example, if pad 2 = piano, and pad 3 = organ, and you are playing bass and piano (initiated by pressing pad #2), and you want to switch your RH sound to organ, you can't simply hit pad 3 to get to the organ, you also have to hit pad 2 again to turn off the piano.

BUT there is a way to effectively accomplish the goal. The key is to use the new "Keyboard Switch Group" feature of the 2.0 software upgrade. As you said, make sure sound #1 is the bass sound up to a certain key, restrict the other 15 sounds to play above that key. Then (using the same example assignments I mentioned above) you could turn on sounds 1 (bass) and 2 (piano) and save that assignment to button 2, and turn on sounds 1 (bass) and 3 (organ) and save that assignment to button 3, and then indeed, you can use button 2 to start playing bass+piano, and then press 3 to seamlessly switch to bass+organ. (And if you actually want a combination of more than one RH sound, you can create single buttons for that as well.) (end quote).

Thanks for catching this Another Scott, it’s great that Roland listened to feedback and made these very useful improvements in the 2.0 update !


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#2884211 - 10/10/17 08:03 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Marillo]
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Is it possible in a Keyboard switch group to assign to have a mixture of pads playing samples and others playing presets?


No, but you can assign functions to the "virtual pads" which is what the buttons under the display turn into when enabled for that. So you could put samples there.
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#2884222 - 10/10/17 08:53 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: DanL]
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Originally Posted By: Marillo
Is it possible in a Keyboard switch group to assign to have a mixture of pads playing samples and others playing presets?


No, but you can assign functions to the "virtual pads" which is what the buttons under the display turn into when enabled for that. So you could put samples there.

But you can't do both, can you? As far as I saw, when the buttons are used as virtual pads, their functions exactly duplicate whatever function was assigned to the real pads. That is, you could not choose one pad function for the real pads and a different pad function for the virtual pads, they have to be the same. Did I miss something?

Going back to something I said earlier, I said that "there is no display you can call up that will tell you at a glance which sounds you have currently assigned to the 15 pads" but there is Part View, which at least can show you what you have assigned to 8 of them. (Though you can't use that screen with the virtual pad feature, you'd have to use the real pads for actual sound selection if you wanted to keep that display visible.)

Originally Posted By: aellison62
Thanks for catching this Another Scott, it’s great that Roland listened to feedback and made these very useful improvements in the 2.0 update !

Yeah, between the Keyboard Switch Group functionality, the ability to have the pads' function saved with the Studio Set instead of being global, and the Master Keyboard MIDI functionality, they made it a much better board! And as it happens, I have a "casual" rehearsal today where a super lightweight do-it-all 7x is just the ticket. But as I mentioned, for my particular purposes, everything it does can be done as well or better by the Artis7, except for the weight (okay, and the sub out). For a more lightweight 7x, I also have a Nord Electro 5D-73 which is, in most ways, far less flexible than the Artis or the FA, but also has some operational and sonic advantages of its own, and is only 1.5 lbs heavier than the Roland instead of 9 lbs heavier like the Kurz. Basically useless for LH bass (or anything that requires more than two sounds at once, one of which must be some kind of piano or organ), but if it does what you need, it does it well. That's probably what I'll use for today's rehearsal. (It's also more expensive than either the FA or the Artis7.)

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#2884246 - 10/10/17 10:41 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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I just checked the documentation, you're right- it's whatever you have the pads assigned to for the virtual pads.
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#2884479 - 10/11/17 01:40 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: DanL]
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So if,for argument's sake, I had samples from 'Owner of a Lonely Heart' and wanted to set up a studio set for that, could I not import those to some of the pads and have patches on the others?

Is it only possible to play one or the other of samples or patches from the pads?! This would seem fundamentally flawed.

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#2884492 - 10/11/17 03:21 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: DanL]
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Bit OT compared to the last few posts, but the thing that draws me in somehow is this Sub Out - perfect for playing left hand basslines thru a dedicated bass amp!
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#2884500 - 10/11/17 04:40 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: miden]
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So if,for argument's sake, I had samples from 'Owner of a Lonely Heart' and wanted to set up a studio set for that, could I not import those to some of the pads and have patches on the others?

Is it only possible to play one or the other of samples or patches from the pads?! This would seem fundamentally flawed.

That does seem to be the case. Though with the new 2.0 update, it's no longer a global setting. You could have one Studio Set setup with samples (like when for whan you want to do Owner), and have other Studio Sets where the pads select patches. I'm pretty sure that wasn't do-able before.

When you're using the pads for samples, you still have a way of selecting patches, using the Favorites function. However, Patch Remain functionality is much more limited that way.

Originally Posted By: miden
the thing that draws me in somehow is this Sub Out - perfect for playing left hand basslines thru a dedicated bass amp!

Yup, that was a biggie for me, great feature. That and the travel weight were the places where it had an edge over the Artis7, but the Artis had too much on the other side of the scale, for my particular needs. The only way to do the dedicated bass amp thing on the Kuz would be using hard pan to use the stereo output as dual mono. Sub Out is much better. You could have stereo main sounds, and then still using the panning trick, you could have the sub out sending your bass to a bass amp, and your organ to a Ventilator! My consolation there is that the gigs I do where I'm playing LH bass are also not ones where I care about having the very best organ sound. Plus I may have my another organ source with me on the gig anyway.
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#2885278 - 10/16/17 07:40 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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RE the action: Played one today. Much, much nicer than my FA-06. I play a Jupiter 50 a lot and I preferred the FA-07 action. It is very, very similar, but the FA felt more "weighted" to me, though it may just have been in my head.

FA-07 keybed made many of the sounds I use on my 06 come alive. Or, you know, the grass is just always greener...
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#2885308 - 10/16/17 09:27 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Nadroj]
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RE the action: Played one today. Much, much nicer than my FA-06. I play a Jupiter 50 a lot and I preferred the FA-07 action. It is very, very similar, but the FA felt more "weighted" to me, though it may just have been in my head.

FA-07 keybed made many of the sounds I use on my 06 come alive. Or, you know, the grass is just always greener...


Thanks Jordan - that re-awakesn my inteest smile
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#2885322 - 10/16/17 10:19 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: Nadroj]
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RE the action: Played one today. Much, much nicer than my FA-06. I play a Jupiter 50 a lot and I preferred the FA-07 action. It is very, very similar, but the FA felt more "weighted" to me, though it may just have been in my head.

It just goes again to show how subjective actions are. gg22 preferred the FA-06 to the FA-07, you preferred the FA-07 to the Jupiter 50... Are you not bothered by the lack of responsiveness of the rear of the keys? Maybe you've gotten used to that from your FA-06. That was the biggest difference to me. Also that the Jupiter 50 keys were more resistant to side-to-side wiggle, they just seemed more "solid."
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#2885334 - 10/16/17 10:37 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: Nadroj
RE the action: Played one today. Much, much nicer than my FA-06. I play a Jupiter 50 a lot and I preferred the FA-07 action. It is very, very similar, but the FA felt more "weighted" to me, though it may just have been in my head.

It just goes again to show how subjective actions are. gg22 preferred the FA-06 to the FA-07, you preferred the FA-07 to the Jupiter 50... Are you not bothered by the lack of responsiveness of the rear of the keys? Maybe you've gotten used to that from your FA-06. That was the biggest difference to me. Also that the Jupiter 50 keys were more resistant to side-to-side wiggle, they just seemed more "solid."


I didn't notice it; probably, as you said, due to the years I've been playing the FA06. I wouldn't say the FA-07 is perfect, but it felt much more rewarding and fulfilling riffing some piano stuff on it compared to on the FA06. Not that I'd want it as my lone piano board, though...
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#2885341 - 10/16/17 11:11 AM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: AnotherScott]
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Originally Posted By: Nadroj
RE the action: Played one today. Much, much nicer than my FA-06. I play a Jupiter 50 a lot and I preferred the FA-07 action. It is very, very similar, but the FA felt more "weighted" to me, though it may just have been in my head.

It just goes again to show how subjective actions are. gg22 preferred the FA-06 to the FA-07, you preferred the FA-07 to the Jupiter 50... Are you not bothered by the lack of responsiveness of the rear of the keys? Maybe you've gotten used to that from your FA-06. That was the biggest difference to me. Also that the Jupiter 50 keys were more resistant to side-to-side wiggle, they just seemed more "solid."


Yeah, maybe I just expected FA07 to be much better based on all the reviews, but it wasn't even close to Jupiter 50 (which to me is comparable to Korg M3 and Motifs). I had FA06 and FA07 side by side, I didn't like the lack of responsiveness towards the back of the keys on both, but at least FA06 had the same resistance on white and black keys, whereas black keys on FA07 felt much stiffer then white keys.
True, it's very subjective, so definitely one needs to try themself. Actually looks like myself and AnotherScott are in the minority, as most people like the Fa07 action. It also reminds me the action on Ultranova, probably they use the same Fatar action.


Edited by gg22 (10/16/17 11:12 AM)

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#2885362 - 10/16/17 12:50 PM Re: Roland FA-07 [Re: gg22]
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And it's not that I hate the FA-07 OR FA-06 action, my issue with them is for playing piano sounds. I'd probably find them perfectly usable for most other stuff.
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