dickiefunk Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Hi, I am looking for a decent Shakuhachi sample to recreate Peter Gabriel’s Sledgehammer intro. I would like something for my iPad or iPhone to trigger from either my Yamaha CP88 or YC61. What would you recommend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Woodward Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 I just grabbed the sample of the intro and triggered it in Module 1 Quote Korg Grandstage 73, Keystage 61, Mac Mini M1, Logic Pro X (Pigments, Korg Legacy Collection, Wavestate LE, Sylenth), iPad Pro 12.9 M2 (6th gen), iPad 9th gen, Scarlett 2i2, Presonus Eris E3.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickiefunk Posted March 26 Author Share Posted March 26 Thanks. I would prefer to play it live. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.F.N. Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 https://music.geisheker.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/enigma-SHAKUHACHI-flute.wav Assuming there's gotta be some sort of sample/player on iOS? 1 Quote "You live every day. You only die once." Where is Major Tom? - - - - - Band Rig: PC3, HX3 w. B4D, 61SLMkII Other stuff: Prologue 16, KingKORG, Opsix, DM12D, Argon8m, EX5R, Toraiz AS-1, IK Uno, Toraiz SP-16, Erica LXR-02, QY-700, SQ64, Beatstep Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Ya, who was it again ReezeKeys maybe. In the Pianoteq thread - Virsyn Audio Layer http://www.virsyn.net/mobileapp/index In the App Store Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marino Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Ha ha... I can't be of help, as a sample is obviously the right tool for this job - but it was amusing to read that, because just today, I was discussing with my students how to program that shakuachi sound with synthesis, using Surge. We came to good results with a couple of slightly asymmetrical pulse waves placed an octave apart, some noise thru a keytracked bandpass for the breathing part, and *lots* of subtle modulations - like, about 25 modulations in all. It was good fun! I'll try to post an audio sample when I can. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawai James Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 2 hours ago, J.F.N. said: https://music.geisheker.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/enigma-SHAKUHACHI-flute.wav Assuming there's gotta be some sort of sample/player on iOS? Woah, that takes me back to my Amiga days, 8-bit samplers, and creating music in OctaMED. James x Quote Employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are my own. Nord Electro 3 & occasional rare groove player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokely Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 I'd definitely grab the sample, I reckon no keyboardist played that in the first place. Similarly, for the intro of Too Much Time on my Hands I also just sampled...without an Oberheim or whatever he used (maybe overdubbed) there was no way I was going to get something recognizable. Certainly not in the 5-10 minutes before my patience ran out. Then again I'm normally just fine with skipping trivial sound effect stuff like that. If Sledgehammer started with the main riff I doubt anyone would complain, might actually be more impactful that way. Just my 2c anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 It's not set up for iOS, though I am looking for the source file used to create this .nsmp file for use on Nord instruments. I love playing Sledgehammer! I don't believe there's a way to reverse engineer a Nord sample file, though if you had a Nord instrument you could load it and then resample it. Just an idea. If I find the source file, I will share it. Someone on this forum many years ago sent me an audio sample that may have been the origin of this. https://www.norduserforum.com/nord-stage-forum-f3/sledgehammer-shakuhachi-sample-needed-for-stage-4-t25012.html?hilit=sledgehammer#p172620 EDIT: I poked around a bit more and found this post that may be of assistance for getting a wav file to load into iOS. https://www.norduserforum.com/nord-user-samples-nsmp-nsmp3-nsmp4-files-f14/emulator-1-shakuhaki-t2655-20.html?hilit=Shakuhachi#p69422 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpl1228 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 sample the intro, or use any wood flute sound to pull it off. There should be tons available. Quote Roland RD-2000, Yamaha Motif XF7, Mojo 61, Invisible keyboard stand (!!!!!), 1939 Martin Handcraft Imperial trumpet "Everyone knows rock music attained perfection in 1974. It is a scientific fact." -- Homer Simpson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 56 minutes ago, Stokely said: I'd definitely grab the sample, I reckon no keyboardist played that in the first place. Similarly, for the intro of Too Much Time on my Hands I also just sampled...without an Oberheim or whatever he used (maybe overdubbed) there was no way I was going to get something recognizable. Certainly not in the 5-10 minutes before my patience ran out. Then again I'm normally just fine with skipping trivial sound effect stuff like that. If Sledgehammer started with the main riff I doubt anyone would complain, might actually be more impactful that way. Just my 2c anyway! Sledgehammer's signature shakuhachi riff was definitely played live via Emulator II for the So album. I've seen it done on various Gabriel tours, and it's not simply a track. I think it defines the song, not just the intro but also during the bridge section. It's also super fun to play it! As for the Styx song, definitely agree that's a good one to sample...if you're talking about the sound FX at the intro leading up to the synth bass line. My band had considered that one for a while and I had it all ready to go...then we decided that its expiration date was a little past due for the audiences we serve. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamuelBLupowitz Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 There are a couple of great stock flute sounds in the Roli NOISE app that would probably do the trick -- I'm not sure if that's still free since I have a version of it from like 2019 on my iPad that I don't update anymore. You could take a look though; the "Breath Flute" patch would be pretty close. Quote Samuel B. Lupowitz Musician. Songwriter. Food Enthusiast. Bad Pun Aficionado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldwin Funster Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Stock sound on most Rolands. My DS has it. Get some kind of emulator app and borrow a Roland rompler and bobs your uncle. Quote FunMachine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Gauss Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Years ago I had the pleasure of being allowed to sit down at a large console mixer and play around with the "Sledgehammer" 24 track multitrack master (safety copy) playing back off 2 inch tape. Ooodles of fun and actually a very sparse track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.F.N. Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 3 hours ago, eric said: Sledgehammer's signature shakuhachi riff was definitely played live via Emulator II for the So album. I've seen it done on various Gabriel tours, and it's not simply a track. I think it defines the song, not just the intro but also during the bridge section. It's also super fun to play it! As for the Styx song, definitely agree that's a good one to sample...if you're talking about the sound FX at the intro leading up to the synth bass line. My band had considered that one for a while and I had it all ready to go...then we decided that its expiration date was a little past due for the audiences we serve. Yes, it's a sample from the Emulator II Factory Library, I posted a link to a copy of the actual sample a bunch of posts up, right in the beginning of this thread... A dude on YouTube fiddling with it here: https://youtu.be/xbguCvTq1zs 3 Quote "You live every day. You only die once." Where is Major Tom? - - - - - Band Rig: PC3, HX3 w. B4D, 61SLMkII Other stuff: Prologue 16, KingKORG, Opsix, DM12D, Argon8m, EX5R, Toraiz AS-1, IK Uno, Toraiz SP-16, Erica LXR-02, QY-700, SQ64, Beatstep Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 BS-16i is another popular app for playing whatever samples from your keyboard Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.F.N. Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 This one got me curious, I may grab a license and see what it could be used for, have an iPad Air M1 just eating space in a drawer here.. 😊 https://www.virsyn.net/mobileapp/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29&Itemid=8 Quote "You live every day. You only die once." Where is Major Tom? - - - - - Band Rig: PC3, HX3 w. B4D, 61SLMkII Other stuff: Prologue 16, KingKORG, Opsix, DM12D, Argon8m, EX5R, Toraiz AS-1, IK Uno, Toraiz SP-16, Erica LXR-02, QY-700, SQ64, Beatstep Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analogika Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 2 hours ago, Baldwin Funster said: Stock sound on most Rolands. My DS has it. Get some kind of emulator app and borrow a Roland rompler and bobs your uncle. The Roland Shakuhachi is not the Emulator sample, which has that super characteristic fifth drop and the upwards second at the beginning, and the overblowing in the middle of the sample. You can use it to kinda-sorta-passably fake it, but it's really just the Wrong Sound™. 3 Quote "The Angels of Libra are in the European vanguard of the [retro soul] movement" (Bill Buckley, Soul and Jazz and Funk) The Drawbars | off jazz organ trio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.F.N. Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 5 minutes ago, analogika said: The Roland Shakuhachi is not the Emulator sample, which has that super characteristic fifth drop and the upwards second at the beginning, and the overblowing in the middle of the sample. You can use it to kinda-sorta-passably fake it, but it's really just the Wrong Sound™. If the synth has pitch envelope it can be emulated fairly well (ask me how I know...) 1 Quote "You live every day. You only die once." Where is Major Tom? - - - - - Band Rig: PC3, HX3 w. B4D, 61SLMkII Other stuff: Prologue 16, KingKORG, Opsix, DM12D, Argon8m, EX5R, Toraiz AS-1, IK Uno, Toraiz SP-16, Erica LXR-02, QY-700, SQ64, Beatstep Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reezekeys Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 34 minutes ago, J.F.N. said: This one got me curious, I may grab a license and see what it could be used for, have an iPad Air M1 just eating space in a drawer here.. 😊 https://www.virsyn.net/mobileapp/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29&Itemid=8 I use this - it's very full-featured for an iOS app. Probaby overkill for this particular application (a single sample that needs triggering across a range of keys). One of of its many strengths may be the ability to read Logic sampler files and soundfont files. I've used Logic's Autosampler to get instruments not available on iOS onto my iOS devices. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChazKeys Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Koala is a great sampler for iOS. Thumbjam is also versatile and supports user samples - fun to play as well. BSi16 is a bit clunky but is good if you need to use SoundFonts. If you want to play it live the part is dead simple but you won’t get that s little flurry at the end of the note. But use a long reverb and it should be ok for live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABECK Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 hour ago, J.F.N. said: Yes, it's a sample from the Emulator II Factory Library, I posted a link to a copy of the actual sample a bunch of posts up, right in the beginning of this thread... A dude on YouTube fiddling with it here: https://youtu.be/xbguCvTq1zs When I had an E-III, I had the full set of factory CD-ROMs the shakuhachi was in there and it sounded amazing. There were a lot of incredible samples in there as well, including a haunting waterphone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 I have an SF2 of this sound, it has 4 samples. But I’m not sure what software might play it back properly without reprogramming it. Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reezekeys Posted March 28 Share Posted March 28 17 hours ago, ElmerJFudd said: I have an SF2 of this sound, it has 4 samples. But I’m not sure what software might play it back properly without reprogramming it. https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/27054/what-ios-apps-can-import-sf2-soundfonts-bs-16i-does-i-know-but-others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.F.N. Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Did a quick hack here in AudioLayer using the sample from the link I posted in the beginning of this thread. iPad Air M1, AudioLayer (in the background Opsix which I use as midi keyboard for the iPad). VID_20240331_035451.mp4 1 Quote "You live every day. You only die once." Where is Major Tom? - - - - - Band Rig: PC3, HX3 w. B4D, 61SLMkII Other stuff: Prologue 16, KingKORG, Opsix, DM12D, Argon8m, EX5R, Toraiz AS-1, IK Uno, Toraiz SP-16, Erica LXR-02, QY-700, SQ64, Beatstep Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George88 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 I have the Emulator Shakuhachi sounds from Emulator II. I believe this is Eb, Ab, Bb and Eb Octave. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George88 Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 PG Flute.wav 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.F.N. Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Yeah, I hope OP finally got this up and running on his iPad as requested. Quote "You live every day. You only die once." Where is Major Tom? - - - - - Band Rig: PC3, HX3 w. B4D, 61SLMkII Other stuff: Prologue 16, KingKORG, Opsix, DM12D, Argon8m, EX5R, Toraiz AS-1, IK Uno, Toraiz SP-16, Erica LXR-02, QY-700, SQ64, Beatstep Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 The original sample is in the Emulator II factory library, which is easily downloadable in wav format on the internets. Quote Keep it greazy! B3tles - Soul Jazz THEO - Prog Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Mike Metlay Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 That sample, among others, was created by E-mu sample ace Richard Burmer z''l. We lost him far too early; he was not only an inspired digital boffin, but a lyrical and sensitive composer. His four albums are a treasure, although I never really got into the fourth and last one (which was released on American Gramophone) as much as the others. When programming a sample player to use this sample, remember that the overblow is not on every note. I can't remember how it was done on the EII (mod wheel?), but there was a control that added the overblow when desired; the rest of the time it played a loop much earlier in the sample until released. The very first Creative Options column in KEYBOARD was called "Let Us Now Praise Famous Samples", in which Freff lambasted artists like Tangerine Dream for overusing samples like this one. I believe this article came out just before So..... I should ask him about his reaction to hearing that sample all over the radio, inescapably, for months... mike 1 Quote Dr. Mike Metlay (PhD in nuclear physics, golly gosh) Musician, Author, Editor, Educator, Impresario, Online Radio Guy, Cut-Rate Polymath, and Kindly Pedant Editor-in-Chief, Bjooks ~ Author of SYNTH GEMS 1 clicky!: more about me ~ my radio station (and my fam) ~ my local tribe ~ my day job ~ my book ~ my music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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