chigson Posted July 30, 2019 Share Posted July 30, 2019 Recently attended a jazz workshop, and the teacher there was using Erskine Jazz Essentials app for play along and as a fakebook. If anyone is familiar with it, any thoughts on it vs iReal? Also, there are at least 3 "tomes" of it available in appstore, although I couldn't find any info about the tracks included on the internet. Can anyone help? Many thanks Quote if you can't tell the difference, does it matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulf Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 It looks promising (I love Erskines playing, his versatility and style of teaching), but apps like these tend to be limited -- e.g. you cannot use them for anything but the limited preloaded songs. Could you get in touch with the jazz workshop instructor and ask? I'd also like to get more info. Quote Rock bottom bass Fakebook Pro Sheet Music Reader - at every gig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malpaugh Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 The Erskine apps have a great choice of jazz standards. You can't change the tempo or the key. However, it's real usable. There is a mixer so you can control the levels of bass, drums, piano and metronome. The tunes FEEL great unlike the kind of mechanical feel of the iReal app. It's also a great feature to solo Alan Pasqua's comping. The man is an absolute master., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Malpaugh said most of what I would hope to say. I have the jazz essentials volume 1 and 2 as well as the afro cuban essentials. I find the afro cuban essentials to be at least intermediate level. It makes distinctions that the average (continental usa) rhythm section might not think of. It would be a handy accompaniment tool for an upper level music theory course. I am still learning new things from it. The jazz essentials are (as Malpaugh said) unable to change tempo or key, but are wonderfully helpful for developing an authentic feel. My son (tenor sax) and I play along with these, knowing that they are going to stretch the feel and the dynamics way more than I Realbook or the hal leonard recordings. I don't think it's an either/or situation where you have to choose. Each approach can have it's place in your pedagogy. For example, the ii-v-1 exercises in I Realbook are going to force you practice in all keys, and make intellectual connections, but may not help you develop a musical voice as much as the Erskine apps will. If you woodshed the Erskine apps you will find that you know about twenty essential, iconic jazz standards really well and in a deeply musical manner. (and as Malpaugh alluded, you can learn directly from Alan Pasqua's beautiful comping approaches). Without realizing it, you will find yourself playing better. It's like being given a view from the mountain-top. However it will be up to you to extend from that experience and carrying some of that musicality into your regular practice and into other songs. Since these tunes are so fundamental to jazz ... personally I think it's worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyFF Posted August 7, 2019 Share Posted August 7, 2019 Cool, will probably pick up a few of these. However, I checked out the ios app for AfroCuban playing and with only 3 reviews it got a 2.3 rating, the most recent was from 2018, so I'm not sure if there's been a significant update that fixes things. If so, you might want to leave a positive rating on the ios app site! Quote Numa Piano X73 /// Kawai ES920 /// Casio CT-X5000 /// Yamaha EW425 Yamaha Melodica and Alto Recorder QSC K8.2 // JBL Eon One Compact // Soundcore Motion Boom Plus Win10 laptop i7 8GB // iPad Pro 9.7" 32GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulf Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Cool, will probably pick up a few of these. However, I checked out the ios app for AfroCuban playing and with only 3 reviews it got a 2.3 rating, the most recent was from 2018, so I'm not sure if there's been a significant update that fixes things. If so, you might want to leave a positive rating on the ios app site! This, and some other similar examples, shows that the market for musicians apps is probably smaller than you'd think. I have a friend developing some excellent Android apps (mostly for drummers), and I can tell you it is no goldmine. Apples ecosystem is obviously bigger (at least for music), though. Quote Rock bottom bass Fakebook Pro Sheet Music Reader - at every gig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodtus Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 It looks promising (I love Erskines playing, his versatility and style of teaching), but apps like these tend to be limited -- e.g. you cannot use them for anything but the limited preloaded songs. You may be interested in SessionBand jazz which is an app a bit like bandit thebox where you can put your own changes in. The drum parts are much better than ireal (which is unusable except for transposing changes on the gig imo) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Is iReal Pro not the default progression/rhythm styles app any longer? Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fjzingo Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 Erskine jazz essentials are great, thanks for the tip! Quote /Fred Cantaloop Soulfetch Soulbox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Malpaugh said most of what I would hope to say. I have the jazz essentials volume 1 and 2 as well as the afro cuban essentials. I find the afro cuban essentials to be at least intermediate level. It makes distinctions that the average (continental usa) rhythm section might not think of. It would be a handy accompaniment tool for an upper level music theory course. I am still learning new things from it. The jazz essentials are (as Malpaugh said) unable to change tempo or key, but are wonderfully helpful for developing an authentic feel. My son (tenor sax) and I play along with these, knowing that they are going to stretch the feel and the dynamics way more than I Realbook or the hal leonard recordings. I don't think it's an either/or situation where you have to choose. Each approach can have it's place in your pedagogy. For example, the ii-v-1 exercises in I Realbook are going to force you practice in all keys, and make intellectual connections, but may not help you develop a musical voice as much as the Erskine apps will. If you woodshed the Erskine apps you will find that you know about twenty essential, iconic jazz standards really well and in a deeply musical manner. (and as Malpaugh alluded, you can learn directly from Alan Pasqua's beautiful comping approaches). Without realizing it, you will find yourself playing better. It's like being given a view from the mountain-top. However it will be up to you to extend from that experience and carrying some of that musicality into your regular practice and into other songs. Since these tunes are so fundamental to jazz ... personally I think it's worth it. Thanks, you answered some questions I've had about the Erskine apps vs. iReal Pro. I've been using iReal Pro because it took a reasonably short amount of time to learn how to create my own charts, based on my bandmate's songs. She has a habit of changing the key of the song regularly, so iReal Pro's ease of tranposition has been a lifesaver for me, as it lets me easily practice each tune in at least 4 different keys. The sound/performance quality of the generated rhythm section in relation to a good Aebersold CD track has been a distraction at times, so what you report about the Erskine apps is a good selling point, for the times I want to practice to jazz standards instead of our band's stuff. I recently noticed Mapping Tonal Harmony Pro added a playalong feature, but the app over all has not been easy to learn how to use. A selling point of iReal Pro is the ease of loading hundreds of charts in one shot and this app doesn't even have that. [video:youtube] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chigson Posted August 14, 2019 Author Share Posted August 14, 2019 It looks promising (I love Erskines playing, his versatility and style of teaching), but apps like these tend to be limited -- e.g. you cannot use them for anything but the limited preloaded songs. Could you get in touch with the jazz workshop instructor and ask? I'd also like to get more info. Yep, I did the next day I created this post - although he said he got his app in a different way - not sure how it worked out. Might be someone gifted it to him or something. Well, he mostly said the same things that are already in this thread, so.. Quote if you can't tell the difference, does it matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montunoman Posted January 21, 2021 Share Posted January 21, 2021 Very late to the party, but I just got the Erskine app, and I enjoy how easy it it to use, mute parts, or isolate parts too . Best feature is you can recorded yourself and listen back how you sound. What a great feature! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan011 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 A have vol 1 and really like, how the band begins the tunes pretty sraight forward and gradually Erskine throws in more asvanced rhytms. I am jazz beginner and this helps to build certain rhytm awareness. It took me whole afternoon to play So What to the last chorus. So it is not only about few standards and harmonies, there is much more to learn from the track depanding on Your level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miden Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 And sound quality and "realisticness" compared to iRealPro? iRealPro is good for the chords and transposing the chart on the fly, but just how "playable is Erskines in terms of musicality? Compared to iRealPro which is, imo, pretty ordinary. Sorta like a dodgy version of Band In A Box Quote There is no luck - luck is simply the confluence of circumstance and co-incidence... Time is the final arbiter for all things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan011 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 No comparsion whatsoever. It is the actual studio jazz recording by top musicians (as someone mentioned Alan Pasqua is on piano) that you can mix yourself (mute piano, play sax over etc.). Each serves different functions - iReal to practice soloing over changes or learning basic harmony, Erskine for real life (post)bop context with wery limited choice of tunes and no tempo or key adjustment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miden Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 okay thanks, I might youtube it and see if I can hear a few more examples. Quote There is no luck - luck is simply the confluence of circumstance and co-incidence... Time is the final arbiter for all things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miden Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 well I tried it - not very good really....you get some guy counting in on the tunes (gets very stale!) a click track on everything, JUST ten songs and a marked degree of background hiss, as though gain levels are not set correctly. Only ten tunes in this $15 app, whihc might be okay if they were tunes i had actually heard of! I couldn't even find them in all my RealBook charts?!! Nope, it's going back for a refund. Quote There is no luck - luck is simply the confluence of circumstance and co-incidence... Time is the final arbiter for all things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan011 Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 It is not as easy as that. You can mute metronome anytime. Or use it if you find a place where you get lost. The names of the tunes are fictional (probably because of rights), but for anyone whou plays even little bit of jazz, they are easy to identify. On the pages you can download harmony sheets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjo Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 I quickly figured out all the tunes but 1, Spot Me. Can somebody tell me which tune that is? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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