CowboyNQ Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 But I can't imagine wanting to carry this around. The weight is within reason, but the shape is bulky To me it just looks like a "square" version of the SV-1 88 from a haulage point of view. Dimensions and weight certainly not a million miles apart. Therefore not the easiest thing to manipulate but doable. Looks a bit like someone's red-headed step sister but beauty is in the eye of the beholder - and I'm yet to trip over an audience member who either blown away or disgusted by how a keyboard looks. And I play a real ugly keyboard. In public no less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Analogaddict Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Ha! I knew something was up. I bought a used MP8 from Nord a few years ago..! I love the Kawai actions, theyre the best out there imho but it was just too heavy... if this is 20 kgs itll really be something..! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adan Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 We won't know for sure until someone tries it, but it looks to me like you could set another keyboard on top. It will overhang, but would probably still be balanced and playable. To me that's a very attractive feature, if it works. Quote Gigging: Crumar Mojo 61, Hammond SKPro Home: Vintage Vibe 64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 To me it just looks like a "square" version of the SV-1 88 from a haulage point of view. Dimensions and weight certainly not a million miles apart. Therefore not the easiest thing to manipulate but doable. Probably easier without all the SV1's awkward-to-grip rounded edges, though. Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephonic Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 It reminds me a little bit of a Synclavier. Quote local: Korg Nautilus 61 AT | Yamaha MODX8 away: GigPerformer | 16" MBP M1 Max home: Kawai RX-2 | Korg D1 | Roland Fantom X7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonysounds Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Wait....this wasn't an April Fools joke??? Quote Hitting "Play" does NOT constitute live performance. -Me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Reminds me of the GEM Promega 3. http://www.wikizic.org/1-000-000628-GEM-ProMega-3.jpg Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Motif Max Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 I was thinking the Kawai MP-9000. Quote Yamaha: Motif XF8, MODX7, YS200, CVP-305, CLP-130, YPG-235, PSR-295, PSS-470 | Roland: Fantom 7, JV-1000 Kurzweil: PC3-76| Hammond: SK Pro 73 | Korg: Triton LE 76, N1R, X5DR | Emu: Proteus/1 | Casio: CT-370 | Novation: Launchkey 37 MK3 | Technics: WSA1R Former: Emu Proformance Plus & Mo'Phatt, Korg Krome 61, Roland Fantom XR & JV-1010, Yamaha MX61, Behringer CAT, Kurzweil PC4 (88) Assorted electric & acoustic guitars and electric basses | Roland TD-17 KVX | Alesis SamplePad Pro | Assorted organs, accordions, other instruments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 I see the resemblance. Its uncanny! Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
konaboy Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 interesting move, surprised not to see the wooden keys as found on the high-end kawais, that would have really set this apart. btw, does it really matter if keys are made of wood, when you interact with the plastic surface? what's the benefit apart from any perceived satisfaction from knowing it's there? Quote hang out with me at woody piano shack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Motif Max Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 ... btw, does it really matter if keys are made of wood, when you interact with the plastic surface? what's the benefit apart from any perceived satisfaction from knowing it's there? Weighting might feel more natural. The vibrating from when you hit the bottom of the keybed is different with plastic keys vs wood in my experience. Quote Yamaha: Motif XF8, MODX7, YS200, CVP-305, CLP-130, YPG-235, PSR-295, PSS-470 | Roland: Fantom 7, JV-1000 Kurzweil: PC3-76| Hammond: SK Pro 73 | Korg: Triton LE 76, N1R, X5DR | Emu: Proteus/1 | Casio: CT-370 | Novation: Launchkey 37 MK3 | Technics: WSA1R Former: Emu Proformance Plus & Mo'Phatt, Korg Krome 61, Roland Fantom XR & JV-1010, Yamaha MX61, Behringer CAT, Kurzweil PC4 (88) Assorted electric & acoustic guitars and electric basses | Roland TD-17 KVX | Alesis SamplePad Pro | Assorted organs, accordions, other instruments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Also possible wood is more forgiving to the players joints and tendons but how significantly... Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Wood is solid, and the moving mass will just feel different. Also, I've never seen a plastic key that was solid on the bottom where it contacts the felt. kanker says he's very sensitive to this. Think about it. The plastic keys have two sides digging into the felt when it bottoms, whereas wood has the entire width of the key hitting the felt. IOW, if plastic keys worked as well as wood, real pianos would have been using them by now. That's not to say there aren't some really good feeling plastic keys. but even the top end Casio Grand Hybrid uses wooden keys from Bechstein. Quote "I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck "The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Impressive ! Too bad it's not the MP11 action but then it wouldn't weigh in at 46 lbs. of course. I adore the MP11 action. I even liked playing it when the unit was turned off....but man, was it heavy. dB Quote ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Professional Affiliations: Royer Labs • Music Player Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITGITC Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Nice! Quote "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent." - Victor Hugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundown Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 A very interesting blend of brands/instruments... But Ill still take my MP11. Lucky for me I dont gig. Quote Sundown Finished: Gateway, The Jupiter Bluff, Condensation, Apogee Working on: Driven Away, Eighties Crime Thriller Main axes: Kawai MP11 and Kurz PC361 DAW Platform: Cubase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 I adore the MP11 action. I even liked playing it when the unit was turned off....but man, was it heavy.dB I checked a friend´s MP11 twice. The action feels great, but I also recognized it´s too heavy for me when playing for any length of time. It´s heavier than the Rhodes MK80 action, which is the heaviest I still own and in opposite to the MK80, the keys bounced when being released and returned to their initial position which I disliked. But that´s only me. A.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Curious to see how'd you feel when comparing RM3II, GF-C, GF/GFII. http://kawaius.com/technology/wooden-key-actions/ Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 I adore the MP11 action. I even liked playing it when the unit was turned off....but man, was it heavy. I checked a friend´s MP11 twice. The action feels great, but I also recognized it´s too heavy for me when playing for any length of time. It´s heavier than the Rhodes MK80 action, which is the heaviest I still own and in opposite to the MK80, the keys bounced when being released and returned to their initial position which I disliked. But that´s only me. I was not clear - sorry. My "man, was it heavy" quote was referring to the physical weight of the MP11, not the action. I adore piano action like that. dB Quote ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Professional Affiliations: Royer Labs • Music Player Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 [video:youtube] Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam CA Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Beautiful! I love Kawai's action on acoustic pianos. They're heavier than most Yamaha's I've played. I played their stage pianos at NAMM, but to me it wasn't anything special...say compared to RH3. Quote www.youtube.com/c/InTheMixReviews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael_I Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 If this is the MP7 action, it is better than the Fatar actions. The MP11, though.... as others have noted, is a very nice action. Best I've played that isn't an acoustic piano. Very satisfying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adan Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 My feeling about it is, MP11 may be the best action, but the Yamaha wooden key hammer action (CP4, P515, CP88) is at least 90% as good at 50-60% of the overall weight. If you're gigging, that's kind of an easy choice. And of course there's a subjective element, so someone like Dave Ferris might actually prefer the Yamaha over the Kawai. Quote Gigging: Crumar Mojo 61, Hammond SKPro Home: Vintage Vibe 64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawai James Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 My feeling about it is, MP11 may be the best action, but the Yamaha wooden key hammer action (CP4, P515, CP88) is at least 90%... May I ask if you have actually played an MP11? Kind regards, James x Quote Employed by Kawai Japan, however the opinions I express are my own. Nord Electro 3 & occasional rare groove player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatoboy Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 I love it.. but I would never spend that sort of bread on anything but a new Baby Grand for home now .. Quote CP-50, YC 73, FP-80, PX5-S, NE-5d61, Kurzweil SP6, XK-3, CX-3, Hammond XK-3, Yamaha YUX Upright, '66 B3/Leslie 145/122 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluesKeys Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Red and Costly, that is all I can see! Quote Jimmy Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others. Groucho NEW BAND CHECK THEM OUT www.steveowensandsummertime.com www.jimmyweaver.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adan Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 My feeling about it is, MP11 may be the best action, but the Yamaha wooden key hammer action (CP4, P515, CP88) is at least 90%... May I ask if you have actually played an MP11? Kind regards, James x I've played the MP11, and all the Yamahas I named, and my opinion is what I stated. Your opinion may be different. Some years ago I owned an MP9000. I loved playing so much I even tried gigging with it. That was sheer folly. I was younger and stronger then and, in contrast to Bob Dylan's progress through life, I'm not younger than that now. Now my cutoff for a gigging keyboard is about 45 lbs. Quote Gigging: Crumar Mojo 61, Hammond SKPro Home: Vintage Vibe 64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delaware Dave Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 I see the resemblance. Its uncanny! no, THIS is uncanny .... [video:youtube] Quote 57 Hammond B3; 69 Hammond L100P; 68 Leslie 122; Kurzweil Forte7 & PC3; M-Audio Code 61; Voce V5+; Neo Vent; EV ELX112P; GSI Gemini & Burn Delaware Dave Exit93band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Hes not heavy, hes uncanny! Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KorgyPorky Posted April 4, 2019 Share Posted April 4, 2019 Now they have me wondering, Will there ever be a grand-stage? Seems many people love the formfactor for an 88 key, withcontrolls on the front, espescially when used as a lower key.. or just as a controller for a DAW... I personally think the action might be a GF-C from the description.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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