Krakit Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 I used to have some USS A frames that I lost in a house fire. Searching for a while for some sort kind of replacement and came up with this idea. I want to put an On-Stage KS7903 behind something else like a Z stand or something. The reason is that I have a Roland FA-08 that is too wide to work with the On-Stage stand (I need 53 inches and the stand has a max width of 48") so I'm thinking of putting the FA on one of my existing single tier stands and my other boards on the On Stage A frame behind it. My question is will this work? I mean can I get the A frame close enough to the back of the Roland so that I can reach the boards that sit above it or is this doomed to failure? Let me know if I need to clarify what I'm asking in any way. I realize it might be hard to picture it in your mind. Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Hey Carl, I use the OnSTage Z stand for my FA08. I only have it open to about 26 inches. Extremely stable. This way my 2nd tier isn't too wide for a 61 board up top. http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/br_zpse0xpec8i.jpg http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/br2_zpsatslg49k.jpg http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/daverig_zps5nshx34d.jpg David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakit Posted September 23, 2016 Author Share Posted September 23, 2016 Thing is I need at minimum 3 tiers (really 4 tiers unless I can share tiers between two boards like I did with my old USS A frames) This is the only surviving photo of my old setup: http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d9/krakit/IMAGE025.jpg I need to put at least as much (actually a bit more) in my new setup. http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d9/krakit/P1290009_edited-1.jpg I want to encorporate 76, 49 and 25 key MIDI controllers on my rack along with my Dave Smith MOPHO and the rest of the gear you see in the above photo. Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Sounds like what you need is just a wider A Frame. Should be able to cobble up some longer cross tubes from somewhere. Moe --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakit Posted September 23, 2016 Author Share Posted September 23, 2016 Sounds like what you need is just a wider A Frame. Should be able to cobble up some longer cross tubes from somewhere. I'm considering that too although the expense of that now that USS doesn't seem to offer Thinker Toys anymore is kind of nutty. Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throbert Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Take a look at Jaspers, they have all kinds of A frame stands Triton Extreme 76, Kawai ES3, GEM-RPX, HX3/Drawbar control, MSI Z97 MPower/4790K, Lynx Aurora 8/MADI/AES16e, OP-X PRO, Ptec, Komplete. Ashley MX-206. future MOTU M64 RME Digiface Dante for Mon./net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakit Posted September 23, 2016 Author Share Posted September 23, 2016 Take a look at Jaspers, they have all kinds of A frame stands If I were that rich I'd just build something with Gibraltar hardware. Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 You could make a 3 tier out of your OnStage Z. Get the 2nd tier attachment made for the Z, then the universal 2nd tier made for their x stands. I do this now and then when I bring a 3rd board to a gig. http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/3t3_zpsk2pmjkuy.jpg http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/3t1_zpsadxowi9p.jpg You can get a thin shelf board to place on either the 2nd or 3rd tier, or both, that can help hold more stuff side to side. David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Take a look at Jaspers, they have all kinds of A frame stands If I were that rich I'd just build something with Gibraltar hardware. Carl Yeah, every time I think I'm going to go the Gibraltar way, I design one, then price it out, and slowly back away David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markyboard Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 I'm considering that too although the expense of that now that USS doesn't seem to offer Thinker Toys anymore is kind of nutty. Love them Thinker Toys. http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t490/Markyboard/IMG_1529_zpszkec7ebi.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakit Posted September 23, 2016 Author Share Posted September 23, 2016 You could make a 3 tier out of your OnStage Z. Get the 2nd tier attachment made for the Z, then the universal 2nd tier made for their x stands. I do this now and then when I bring a 3rd board to a gig. http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/3t3_zpsk2pmjkuy.jpg http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/3t1_zpsadxowi9p.jpg You can get a thin shelf board to place on either the 2nd or 3rd tier, or both, that can help hold more stuff side to side. How much for all these parts and did you have to do anything to get the third tier on there? Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Coda Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Love them Thinker Toys. http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t490/Markyboard/IMG_1529_zpszkec7ebi.jpg Me too ! I´d actually need a USS SJT-150 swivel joint for my USS arsenal. I have 2 but they are slightly different models in the sense of one fits into tubing only and the other "one-side" into t-nuts. Need a 3rd one to create a matched pair,- the one or the other. Something in your box you would sell ? A.C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markyboard Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 I´d actually need a USS SJT-150 swivel joint for my USS arsenal. I have 2 but they are slightly different models in the sense of one fits into tubing only and the other "one-side" into t-nuts. Need a 3rd one to create a matched pair,- the one or the other. Something in your box you would sell ? A.C. Unfortunately I only have 2 of those swivel type joints; one's in use and the other one will be eventually. I wish I had bought more of these when they were available as they provide a lot of utility. The only thing I would sell is a few of the T-joints as I could not believe how many I had until I pulled down the boxes from my attic and unwrapped the surplus supply I bought up years ago (no more swivels unfortunately). I am curious if the On-Stage T-joints are compatible with USS and how's the quality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markyboard Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 How much for all these parts and did you have to do anything to get the third tier on there? Carl This Z-Stand parts list may help although as the note indicates the second tier itself has to be purchased through a dealer. Also A-Frame Parts List Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanL Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 You could make a 3 tier out of your OnStage Z. Get the 2nd tier attachment made for the Z, then the universal 2nd tier made for their x stands. I do this now and then when I bring a 3rd board to a gig. http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/3t3_zpsk2pmjkuy.jpg http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/3t1_zpsadxowi9p.jpg You can get a thin shelf board to place on either the 2nd or 3rd tier, or both, that can help hold more stuff side to side. How much for all these parts and did you have to do anything to get the third tier on there? Carl I use the same setup- Z stand, 2nd tier, 3rd universal tier. It was about $190 for all of it (including a mic boom attachment) Live: Korg Kronos 2 88, Nord Electro 5d Nord Lead A1 Toys: Roland FA08, Novation Ultranova, Moog LP, Roland SP-404SX, Roland JX10,Emu MK6 www.bksband.com www.echoesrocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakit Posted September 24, 2016 Author Share Posted September 24, 2016 How much for all these parts and did you have to do anything to get the third tier on there? Carl This Z-Stand parts list may help although as the note indicates the second tier itself has to be purchased through a dealer. Also A-Frame Parts List I can't tell if I can order four support bars of appropriate length or not. I'm guessing the tall side tubes might work but I don't see them as orderable on the list and can't tell if they might be too long. And what about my original idea? What if I buy the On Stage A frame and put another stand in front/beneath the lowest tier on the A frame? I have a couple of these I could try: http://www.richtonemusic.co.uk/Data/Product_Images/QLWS570b.jpg Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 I can't tell if I can order four support bars of appropriate length or not. I'm guessing the tall side tubes might work but I don't see them as orderable on the list and can't tell if they might be too long. If you already have the Onstage Z stand, then you order the Onstage KSA7550 zstand 2nd tier: http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/ksa_zpst872jfac.jpg The order the Onstage stand universal 2nd tier KSA7500: http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh58/escaperocks1/ksa7500_zps2djm3whi.jpg The 7550 attaches to the Z stand, then the 7500 attaches to the back of the 7500 square tubes. You probably won't use the cross member on the third tier as it doesn't go as wide as your z stand can go. Instant 3 tier. All the major retailers have them. I am seeing about $55 for the 7550, and $40 for the 7500. If you want the mic attachment look up KSA7575 About $15 without the boom. David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markyboard Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 I can't tell if I can order four support bars of appropriate length or not. I'm guessing the tall side tubes might work but I don't see them as orderable on the list and can't tell if they might be too long. Sorry Carl - their site is a bit confusing. Click on any of the tiers listed under this link for the lengths, prices and other specs. 2nd Tier Parts https://on-stage.com/products/category/2ndtiers And what about my original idea? What if I buy the On Stage A frame and put another stand in front/beneath the lowest tier on the A frame? Carl Personally I think you can make it work but I was hoping someone who has experience with these products might better answer. Edit: Ah - looks like David's got this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakit Posted September 24, 2016 Author Share Posted September 24, 2016 This is what I really want but I can't find it anywhere. I think it comes from China but it's an online mystery if this even really exists. http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1KNtwIFXXXXcpXVXXq6xXFXXXR/DJ9-export-professional-DJ-stage-stand-mixer-DJ-stand-ballroom-dedicated-frame-metal-lighting-stand-Universal.jpg Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markyboard Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Maybe if you have the right Guardian Angel: http://www.animationsource.org/sites_content/mulan/upload/fanchars/pic_detail4cb88a479185c.png But still pretty difficult to transport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theGman Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Does any competitor make equal hardware to Gibralter at a "normal" price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EscapeRocks Posted September 24, 2016 Share Posted September 24, 2016 Does any competitor make equal hardware to Gibralter at a "normal" price? As far as tubular drum rack hardware, Gibraltar is actually on the less expensive side. For a quick comparison, I priced out similar hardware from DW. Where a Gibraltar 24" T-leg is around $35 at the retailers, the DW 24" T Leg is about $55 at the same places. Ouch. David Gig Rig:Depends on the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakit Posted September 25, 2016 Author Share Posted September 25, 2016 I think I'm going to have to hold out until I can find an USS A frame like the one I had. I really need to set up some side by side keyboards on it and additionally need some of those partial tiers to support devices like my Dave Smith MoPho, my Korg M3M and a Behringer B-Control Nano. Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 I've posted this picture before. An a-frame behind my Hammond. As someone said, to fit tight the A-frame needs to be wider than the keyboard that it straddles. This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakit Posted September 25, 2016 Author Share Posted September 25, 2016 Someone is selling this on ebay right now: http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/Gj8AAOSwGtRXzOey/s-l1600.jpg It would be perfect but at $500 shipped it's just too much for me right now. Shame though this thing is awesome. Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DulceLabs.com Posted September 26, 2016 Share Posted September 26, 2016 This is what I really want but I can't find it anywhere. I think it comes from China but it's an online mystery if this even really exists. https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/DJ-9-Professional-DJ-STAND-for_449328247.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krakit Posted September 26, 2016 Author Share Posted September 26, 2016 This is what I really want but I can't find it anywhere. I think it comes from China but it's an online mystery if this even really exists. https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/DJ-9-Professional-DJ-STAND-for_449328247.html I got ripped off from that Alibaba website once before. No thanks. I think I'll just try to farm up the bits and pieces and build something from scratch. Carl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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