The Real MC Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Disco was white people trying to play funk. Rock-n-roll was white people trying to play rhythm-n-blues. Pop music was white people trying to play soul.Dude, you packed more completely wrong information in those three sentence than I can possibly begin to approach.... Or is the truth that painful to bear...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 http://www.oneinchpunch.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/karate-bears.jpg bearz... Aha What a grizzly thing to do! When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrokeys Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Well, at least they are grizzly bears. Black bears would just get us deeper into the topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITGITC Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 You guys are too funny! How 'bout a beer? First round's on retrokeyz! "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent." - Victor Hugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Chimay ale......blue label for me, please. When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 "Americans love irony. They can't get enough of it." - Randy Newman "I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck "The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonysounds Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Disco was white people trying to play funk. Rock-n-roll was white people trying to play rhythm-n-blues. Pop music was white people trying to play soul.Dude, you packed more completely wrong information in those three sentence than I can possibly begin to approach.... Or is the truth that painful to bear...? Yeah, except for that whole disco being played by black musicians thing, and that rock and roll being played by black musicians thing, and that pop music being played black musicians thing, youre spot on. Hitting "Play" does NOT constitute live performance. -Me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan_evett Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Disco was white people trying to play funk. Rock-n-roll was white people trying to play rhythm-n-blues. Pop music was white people trying to play soul.Dude, you packed more completely wrong information in those three sentence than I can possibly begin to approach.... Somewhat amusing generalizations, though. Been there, seen these plenty o' times 'Someday, we'll look back on these days and laugh; likely a maniacal laugh from our padded cells, but a laugh nonetheless' - Mr. Boffo. We need a barfing cat emoticon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan_evett Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Disco was white people trying to play funk. Rock-n-roll was white people trying to play rhythm-n-blues. Pop music was white people trying to play soul.Dude, you packed more completely wrong information in those three sentence than I can possibly begin to approach.... Or is the truth that painful to bear...? 'Someday, we'll look back on these days and laugh; likely a maniacal laugh from our padded cells, but a laugh nonetheless' - Mr. Boffo. We need a barfing cat emoticon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanker. Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Or is the truth that painful to bear...? Yeah, except for that whole disco being played by black musicians thing, and that rock and roll being played by black musicians thing, and that pop music being played black musicians thing, youre spot on. Or the whole "pop music" tracing it's roots to ALL American musics, Broadway, Vaudeville, country, western, mountain music, cajun music, among many other sources including European classical music. It tweren't just blues, gospel and soul... Face it man, music is a damn melting pot. There have always been white musicians playing "black music" and there have always been black musicians playing "white music" That's the thing about music, it's the great uniter...until people make statements like disco was white people trying to play funk...I didn't realize Barry White was really white...I didn't realize that Gamble and Huff were white...I didn't realize that Gloria Gaynor was white....until people make statements like rock n roll was white people trying to play RnB...didn't realize Little Richard was white...didn't realize Chuck Berry was white...didn't realize Esquerita was white....until people make statements like pop music was white people trying to play soul...didn't realize that Dionne Warwick was white...Didn't realize the Ink Spots were white...didn't realize the Coasters were white...didn't realize the King of Pop was white.... I won't even get into discussing Charlie Pride.... A ROMpler is just a polyphonic turntable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana. Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 didn't realize the King of Pop was white.... He was after the mid-'80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanker. Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 didn't realize the King of Pop was white.... He was after the mid-'80s. Yeah, I know I left that one hanging over the plate A ROMpler is just a polyphonic turntable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonysounds Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 didn't realize the King of Pop was white.... He was after the mid-'80s. Did you REALLY need to go there? Hitting "Play" does NOT constitute live performance. -Me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adan Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Stepping back a bit, it's interesting and a little bit sad that it is no longer ok to talk about race, even in humor. If the blogger's series was entitled "what black people like," well, you can just imagine . . .. The blogger's underlying logic, one would presume, is that it's ok to make fun of "white people" (whatever that means), because they've always had the upper hand, etc, etc . . . not a new concept. Problem is, not all people who consider themselves "white" feel that way. And no one likes to feel like they are defined by their skin color. It is inherently insulting because it implies that you don't have the intelligence or will power to overcome a measly few segments of DNA. So then some white people will feel the need to respond and lo and behold, you're off to the races, no pun intended. We've become overly sensitive to race issues, but at least that's better than being insensitive. Sarah Silverman gets away with using race in her humor, and it's kind of surprising that she does, but then, she's one of the funniest people on the planet (though I'm sure people who don't like her racial humor will disagree). The blogger we're talking about is, in my opinion, a humorist of very modest talents, and as such should stay away from race. Gigging: Crumar Mojo 61, Hammond SKPro Home: Vintage Vibe 64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 I hung out with Moe holding the other end of the proverbial 10-foot pole. But, what the h*ll, I just couldn't let an opportunity pass to get my post count up. The article is a bastardized piece of Onion. It is funny. Besides, I doubt that it offended anyone exploiting any type of music to a far greater degree than the pioneers of it. PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgoo Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 I long held onto the notion that "white people can't play Black music". I became more sure of this the 1st time I saw what is now my favorite local band- an all African American local pop/funk band. They were playing a lot of classic pop/funk that I played when I was on the road doing the hotel / Top 40 circuit in the 80's. However, their groove was so dirty / nasty / phatt / cool-adjective-of-the-day that I thought "THIS is how this music is supposed to sound, & I've never heard white people play it like this". HOWEVER.... I've started thinking lately it's not so much a black / white thing as it is a culture thing. Over the years I've gotten better at playing behind the beat and not so on top of or ahead of it. I've learned to appreciate the importance tempo plays, and how too fast a tempo can destroy a groove. By contrast the last few times I've heard the aforementioned African American band, I've noticed what appears to be some fatigue with some of the songs in their repertoire. This translates into some of their tempos being a bit too fast, a little too much overplaying here & there and some of the songs being less about the groove than in their earlier years. It's almost as if they sometimes sound.... white. Custom Music, Audio Post Production, Location Audio www.gmma.biz https://www.facebook.com/gmmamusic/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Iverson Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Well, it happened to Miles Davis - he and his band got tired of some of the material audiences wanted to hear, so it got faster and faster..(according to an old interview with Herbie Hancock) and I don't think his bands sounded "white" although he hired people of the "Caucasian persuasion" sometimes. Re: "what white people like" and similar articles - that doesn't bother me. I know what I like, and that's all I really care about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrafon Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Well, at least they are grizzly bears. Black bears would just get us deeper into the topic I am pretty sure those are grizzly bears trying to copy what black bears do so well, but just not doing a very good job of it because they are of the grizzly variety rather than black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrafon Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Anyone remember Jimmy the Greek.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Beaumont Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 I am pretty sure those are grizzly bears trying to copy what black bears do so well, but just not doing a very good job of it because they are of the grizzly variety rather than black. Yes, but they still do it better than polar bears. Boards: Kurzweil SP-6, Roland FA-08, VR-09, DeepMind 12 Modules: Korg Radias, Roland D-05, Bk7-m & Sonic Cell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITGITC Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 HOWEVER.... I've started thinking lately it's not so much a black / white thing as it is a culture thing. Over the years I've gotten better at playing behind the beat and not so on top of or ahead of it. I've learned to appreciate the importance tempo plays, and how too fast a tempo can destroy a groove. By contrast the last few times I've heard the aforementioned African American band, I've noticed what appears to be some fatigue with some of the songs in their repertoire. This translates into some of their tempos being a bit too fast, a little too much overplaying here & there and some of the songs being less about the groove than in their earlier years. It's almost as if they sometimes sound.... white. Exactly. And this knocks this discussion into a higher plane. What seems to come naturally to black folks must be STUDIED by a lot of us white guys. But first you've got to recognize what it's about. What are the differences here that make playing groove music difficult for people who did not grow up with it in their culture? Mcgoo, you focus on many good points: playing behind the beat, the importance of tempo and how playing too fast can destroy a groove. I also think it is very interesting that you mentioned fatigue within some of their songs. Folks, this music demands focus. The other day I alluded to a bass player I was joined with in a throw-together gig at the pool. During a highly-rhythmic tune, this guy walks across to the other side of the pool to get a beer out of the cooler. (wireless) He had no clue that the time it takes for the sound to reach his ears across the pool would mess with our timing. And it did. (I was so pissed.) There is so much we can learn from each other here on KC. It's not just a black/white thing, but a strong desire to understand the music of other cultures and how that music is often integrated into what comes from our minds and flows through our fingers to the keyboard. I also keep trying (from my posts on this thread) to remind us that it's important to laugh at ourselves. Those generalizations had some truth in them. And because of this, I had to laugh out loud a couple of times. It's Wednesday. Hump-Day. It's all downhill from here! My best to you guys... and ladies! Tom "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent." - Victor Hugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zydecat Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 That labeling thing just doesn't work - it's all good if it's played good, which is generally in the ears of the beholder. In the SW Louisiana and E Texas Zydeco scene, for example, you'll see starched up Black Creole cowboys rocking the house on accordion while singing the Blues in Cajun French. Try tracing that back to skin-color defined roots +1 on laughing at ourselves - we might as well join the crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 The blogger we're talking about is, in my opinion, a humorist of very modest talents, and as such should stay away from race. Nail meet head. Also, I agree with Carlo. CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stevekessler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewImprov Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 This thread reminds me of a book I read last year: How the BEatles Destroyed Rock and Roll by Elijah Wald Pretty entertaining read. The title is kind of tongue in cheek, but it's really an alternative history of American pop in the 20th Century, and it talks a lot about how much more complex, culturally, racially, etc, the real story is than the accepted pop history. I really enjoyed it, but I'm weird that way... Turn up the speaker Hop, flop, squawk It's a keeper -Captain Beefheart, Ice Cream for Crow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephonic Posted July 28, 2010 Author Share Posted July 28, 2010 Dang, you guys, lighten up. It's just a joke, and if we can't make race jokes anymore, think of all the Irish and Italian jokes we'd miss out on! local: Korg Nautilus 73 | Yamaha MODX8 away: GigPerformer home: Kawai RX-2 | Korg D1 | Roland Fantom X7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITGITC Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Dang, you guys, lighten up. It's just a joke, and if we can't make race jokes anymore, think of all the Irish and Italian jokes we'd miss out on! Yeah! ...and all those jokes I've got stored up about those guys who live in Kenya! "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent." - Victor Hugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zephonic Posted July 28, 2010 Author Share Posted July 28, 2010 Yeah! ...and all those jokes I've got stored up about those guys who live in Kenya! I'm sure they are better than my jokes about guys with sheep local: Korg Nautilus 73 | Yamaha MODX8 away: GigPerformer home: Kawai RX-2 | Korg D1 | Roland Fantom X7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adan Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Dang, you guys, lighten up. It's just a joke, and if we can't make race jokes anymore, think of all the Irish and Italian jokes we'd miss out on! That's why the oversensitivity is a sad development, because so much of the best humor is ethnic humor. For the most part, you can still make fun of your own people. I'm half jewish and have a jewish surname, so I can get away with jewish jokes (which exist beyond number). Even so, I wouldn't make them on a internet forum, where I can't look the listener in the eye. Internet humor is a funny thing. Not funny ha-ha. Gigging: Crumar Mojo 61, Hammond SKPro Home: Vintage Vibe 64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITGITC Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Yeah! ...and all those jokes I've got stored up about those guys who live in Kenya! I'm sure they are better than my jokes about guys with sheep Ouch "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent." - Victor Hugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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