burningbusch Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 I've only been messing with the CP-1 for a day but I've put a good deal of time into the Rhodes. The sound, properly tweaked, is outstanding. It's way beyond anything in hardware and even better than software, IMO, if you can believe it. The tone in the lower half of the 73 model is close to perfect. Finally someone has accurately captured the bark of the pre-75 Rhodes. And the response is linear so there are no jumps as you move through the tone from the softest notes to full bark. The thing is, if you sit down to a stock CP-1 you might be disappointed with the Rhodes. The standard presets use the power amp/speaker simulation. I found that by turning OFF the power amp/speaker sim you uncover a great sound underneath. This is not unlike the SV-1 Rhodes preset which has the amp sim. on resulting in a very bright, bell sound. With the CP-1 the opposite happens. The amp/speaker sims muddy and compress the sound--they make it sound artificial. I did a number of other refinements. In fact the Rhodes in the example below uses the model 75 for the top half and model 73 in the lower. They blend quite nicely. The fact that it's modeled gives the tone an organic warmth that's hard to simulate using samples. This is a no-compromise Rhodes. It responds and sounds like the real thing. My playing is intentionally exaggerated so you can get a feel for the dynamics and tone. These are just some test examples. Tweaked CP-1 Rhodes The acoustic pianos, DX7, CP80 are fabulous as well. The Wurly is very good but it doesn't quite knock me on my ass like the others, but then I haven't spent a lot of time tweaking it either. I have a hunch, in the end, it won't disappoint. Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedKey Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 That really is outstanding. Thanks for sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Very nice. Is that Rhodes the same in the other CP models? Harry was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Find 800 of Harry's solo piano arrangements and tutorials at https://www.patreon.com/HarryLikas These arrangements are for teaching solo piano chording using Harry's 2+2 harmony method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Very nice. Is that Rhodes the same in the other CP models? Yamaha CP-series comparison chart. (because it's not a simple yes/no answer ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogut Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Busch, I'd like to hear the patch with amp/speaker sim on. I know that on my motif any overdrive on top of, for example, a rhodes patch is also artificial sounding. My nord does a good job making the overdrive sound real. Great clip. -Greg Motif XS8, MOXF8, Hammond XK1c, Vent Rhodes Mark II 88 suitcase, Yamaha P255 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary75 Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Sounds great, the modelling really shines through with no sample jumping between velocity zones. How does Lounge Luzard compare in the modelling stakes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Busch, How do you think the SV1 Rhodes sound and the CP1 Rhodes sound compare? Which do you prefer? J+ Harry was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Find 800 of Harry's solo piano arrangements and tutorials at https://www.patreon.com/HarryLikas These arrangements are for teaching solo piano chording using Harry's 2+2 harmony method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Sounds very good. Hopefully, I'll get a chance to play the CP soon. Thanks for providing the demo Busch. PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jook Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 Has this been posted yet? Great audio and video clips of the CP-1: http://www.solopianodiary.com/yamaha-cp1.html Particularly the Rhodes video: [video:youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjSxQP7qrZI (I'm half expecting this to be someone on the board) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogut Posted February 19, 2010 Share Posted February 19, 2010 expensive mousepad! -Greg Motif XS8, MOXF8, Hammond XK1c, Vent Rhodes Mark II 88 suitcase, Yamaha P255 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffLearman Posted February 20, 2010 Share Posted February 20, 2010 Sounds great, the modelling really shines through with no sample jumping between velocity zones. How does Lounge Luzard compare in the modelling stakes? Why would you even ask? LL doesn't sound much like a real Rhodes. Any half-decent sample set is way better. If the CP1 is any good, it won't sound anything like LL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanker. Posted February 21, 2010 Share Posted February 21, 2010 How's it sound in mono? A ROMpler is just a polyphonic turntable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted February 22, 2010 Author Share Posted February 22, 2010 A few additional thoughts after having spent more time with the instrument. You have to appreciate the detail Yamaha has gone through in the modeling. It's not just the generation of the source tone. Everything in the chain is modeled after the original instruments/FXs/amps. For example, when you select a Rhodes model, the preamp will include a stereo vibrato FX (depth and speed) plus tone controls. If you select one of the Wurly models you will have a mono tremolo with only depth control. The dyno Rhodes preamp includes normal, bass and overtone controls just like the original. I know of no other example, software or hardware, of where the dyno preamp has been modeled. Coupled with the 816 chorus FX you can get some very DX sounding Rhodes with the dyno. The effects have identical controls to the original. I've come to appreciate the power amps/speaker models. By bypassing them early on I was able to uncover an excellent tone underneath. But after I've dialed in what I consider to be a great Rhodes sound, adding back the power amp/speaker can make for an interesting alternative sound. The power amps/speakers give it a more 3D sound whereas without, it sound more like the sound right off the harp. It's all great stuff. Also, the ability to change the hammer hardness and strike point is not a gimmick. These produce very accurate and useful results and it's a great way to add variations. I don't know how Yamaha "modeled" the basic Rhodes. It sounds VERY authentic and you can't compare it against pure modeling like the EVP88 or LL. It kills both of those. Jazz+: Yes I like the CP-1 Rhodes over anything else out there in hardware land. I was A/Bing it against the Motif-XS Rack and it wasn't pretty. One sounds like a ROMpler, the other like a Rhodes. Kanker: I assuming you're asking about the ac piano in mono. There is no dedicated mono sample. You can set the part all the way to the left or right which sounds OK, but you still lose a lot, IMO. The Rhodes (and I believe all the other EPs) are mono--maybe not the CP80. The phasers are modeled after mono FXs. Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted March 16, 2010 Author Share Posted March 16, 2010 I created this video with some of my CP-1 Rhodes presets. [video:youtube] Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Schmieder Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 Busch, have you compared vs. Scarbee yet? Probably the added flexility is enough to put it ahead, since you can dial in any Rhodes of your choosing. Have you tried to get a Rhodes PianoBass sound out of it yet? That's one of my favourite sounds (along with Organ Bass) when switching from bass guitar to keyboards either for a quick fill or two where the bass needs to keep going, or for a whole song where I need the bass to blend in the mix the way a bass guitar does. Eugenio Upright, 60th Anniversary P-Bass, USA Geddy Lee J-Bass, Yamaha BBP35, D'angelico SS Bari, EXL1, Select Strat, 70th Anniversary Esquire, LP 57, Eastman T486, T64, Ibanez PM2, Hammond XK4, Moog Voyager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted March 16, 2010 Share Posted March 16, 2010 Thanks Busch Wow, The CP1 Rhodes is a knockout. Harry was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Find 800 of Harry's solo piano arrangements and tutorials at https://www.patreon.com/HarryLikas These arrangements are for teaching solo piano chording using Harry's 2+2 harmony method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana. Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Busch, thanks for making this. The "Bye bye" is a nice touch, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobadohshe Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 "And I Love Her"? Nice reharm! And that Fusion 75 setting sounds just like RTF. Wow. Great work Busch. I am so bummed I will not be able to afford one of these, but it's nice to know that it's out there if one day I become extremely wealthy. Kawai C-60 Grand Piano : Hammond A-100 : Hammond SK2 : Yamaha CP4 : Yamaha Montage 7 : Moog Sub 37 My latest album: Funky organ, huge horn section https://bobbycressey.bandcamp.com/album/cali-native Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon Zero Two Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 Bravo! Nice playing man - anytime I think about posting something of me playing I will of these clips - excellent playing man! Nowhere man made me laugh - I might try a reharm of that next month - NICE JOB. The keyboard sounds great - it just moved into the must have category! SWEET. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adan Posted March 17, 2010 Share Posted March 17, 2010 You're not employed by Yamaha, but you should be ;> They'll be catching up with you now. Tasteful and creative treatment of the Beatles stuff. I wanted to hear more. Gigging: Crumar Mojo 61, Hammond SKPro Home: Vintage Vibe 64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Awesome demo. The CP-1 sounds incredible. Holy crap! Keep it greazy! B3tles - Soul Jazz THEO - Prog Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffk Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Great sounds, lovely playing - and striking vid. YouTube music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkphingerz88 Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Sorry to say this, the CP1 Rhodes do not sound very authentic to me from these clips but id need to try in person to be sure. From these clips and all the others ive heard there are certain aspects that sound good such as the attack, tine noise and bell tone but other than that, all of these clips have a really hard mid range attack that just doesnt happen on a real rhodes. Right now the Scarbee stuff is way ahead of these in terms of authenticity. Chief Product Officer at Rhodes®. Project leader and designer of the Rhodes MK8 piano and V8 Plug-in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orangefunk Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 I'm with Dan, I think my taste in Rhodes sounds is not quite the same as the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicky Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 I have to say I'm a bit surprised at all the love for these rhodes sounds. It may be more playable than a Motif rhodes because it doesn't have the velocity switching,...but it sounds very synthetic to me. I guess that's the trade off with modeling vs sampling. Hearing these demos and having played one at Namm, I still prefer the Scarbee rhodes/wurly. But I do think the action on the CP1/5 is really nice, and a step up from the S90/Motif action. I think this action triggering Scarbee would be amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkphingerz88 Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 now something id love to see is an Apple keyboard running OSX but with built in mainstage...that would be the shizz Chief Product Officer at Rhodes®. Project leader and designer of the Rhodes MK8 piano and V8 Plug-in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Benhamou Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Busch, sounds great. Thanks for that. I recently went back to give the CP-1 another shot. This time the velocity curves were properly set and I was able to give it a fair audition. Looking forward to trying out the CP-5. Ian Benhamou Keyboards/Guitar/Vocals [url:https://www.facebook.com/OfficialTheMusicalBox/]The Musical Box[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanL Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 I just got my latest gear pron mag from Sweetwater, they are listing the CP1 @ 5000 bucks. Wow! Live: Korg Kronos 2 88, Nord Electro 5d Nord Lead A1 Toys: Roland FA08, Novation Ultranova, Moog LP, Roland SP-404SX, Roland JX10,Emu MK6 www.bksband.com www.echoesrocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 I just got my latest gear pron mag from Sweetwater, they are listing the CP1 @ 5000 bucks. Wow! Yeah, I think the CP1 is aimed at a certain market. Otherwise, it is the CP5 that will sell like hotcakes. PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted March 19, 2010 Share Posted March 19, 2010 Is this new linear Rhodes in the new CP5 and CP50 ? Harry was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Find 800 of Harry's solo piano arrangements and tutorials at https://www.patreon.com/HarryLikas These arrangements are for teaching solo piano chording using Harry's 2+2 harmony method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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