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#2849789 - 04/16/17 08:18 AM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: davedoerfler]
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A $2k Nord Stage at that. wink
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#2849794 - 04/16/17 08:56 AM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Originally Posted By: Six-string-man
A multi-timbral 73 key version would see me throwing my credit card at Crumar. I wouldn't even hesitate for a second!


SSM


If they do a 73 key single manual it really needs the full Gemini sound engines (the VA synth in particular) and samples and please stick pitch and mod wheels on (maybe even AT). At that point it becomes a much more useful board for many.

61 key version would replace my Kronos live. Need the synths.... idk cool

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#2849805 - 04/16/17 11:01 AM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: davedoerfler]
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Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
at that point it becomes a Nord Stage. wink




LOL.


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#2849835 - 04/16/17 12:51 PM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: davedoerfler]
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How about a Vibraphone patch and an up to speed AP response before any extreme makeovers?
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#2849839 - 04/16/17 12:58 PM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: Jazz+]
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I agree, a vibraphone sound would be great.
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#2849842 - 04/16/17 01:02 PM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: Jazz+]
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Glad someone spoke up about the AP being laggy. Maybe someone with the Gemini tabletop or DMC-122 can chime in if they are seeing the same from the entire sample library/engine. I'm sure they are learning a lot from their work on the Mojo61 and Gemini based models.
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#2849843 - 04/16/17 01:10 PM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: John Lee]
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Originally Posted By: John Lee
I agree, a vibraphone sound would be great.


It's in my top 4 sounds for soloing on gigs:

Organ, Rhodes, Vibraphone, Piano.

Can't stand much else these days.
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#2849853 - 04/16/17 01:38 PM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: mate stubb]
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Originally Posted By: mate stubb
Lookie what showed up on FB tonight.

w00t

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#2849854 - 04/16/17 01:40 PM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: Joe Muscara]
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wink
As long as it's better than Arturia's efforts at acoustic piano modeling.
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#2849857 - 04/16/17 02:01 PM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: Joe Muscara]
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Originally Posted By: Joe Muscara
Originally Posted By: mate stubb
Lookie what showed up on FB tonight.

w00t


I keep checking for a firmware update...

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#2849907 - 04/16/17 07:21 PM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
A $2k Nord Stage at that. wink


did Crumar consult you about pricing? idk
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#2849914 - 04/16/17 08:15 PM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: davedoerfler]
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Originally Posted By: davedoerfler
Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
A $2k Nord Stage at that. wink


did Crumar consult you about pricing? idk


LOL!!!!!!!!
yes! and they said (regarding Nord), "those Swedes need to lay off the brännvin when they're setting their price points!".

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Actually I added the cost of a dual manual mother-of-controllers DMC-122 which sells in the states for $1499 to the price of the Gemini expansion board @ $879 and got $2338. So I was thinking, you can get the entire brain of their would-be-"Nord Stage" for $879 on an expansion card, in a desktop format for $1149, a Mojo61 for $1499, the kitchen sink for $2388. Even the dual manual Mojo is only $2299.

So, ya. They could really do a 73/76key Gemini based multi-engine single manual for $2xxx.xx. They'd need to address a few things brought up by their most current customers and spend some solid time on an easy to navigate user interface. Perhaps they've already read about the shortcomings of the Nord Stage 2/3 and have some ideas about how they can maneuver around them. Wishful thinking, but this is really the board I wish'd the Mojo61 was going to be when imminent release was apparent.

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#2849925 - 04/16/17 09:48 PM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
So, ya. They could really do a 73/76key Gemini based multi-engine single manual for $2xxx.xx. They'd need to address a few things brought up by their most current customers and spend some solid time on an easy to navigate user interface.


well then please let them know. thu
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#2850465 - 04/19/17 01:49 PM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: davedoerfler]
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Here's a FB vid of the new release (no, it's not up for download yet).

https://www.facebook.com/frankmontis.music/videos/1457073964335475/
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#2850467 - 04/19/17 01:57 PM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: mate stubb]
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I'm very curious to see how this is implemented. First, what Clav parameters are available? Second, do we get both manual and auto-wah, and how is that implemented? I know we will find out "soon," but it will be interesting. For me, when I play Clav parts, sometimes I use autowah and other times I do it manually, depending on what I feel like and whether my foot control of the wah effect is working for me.

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#2850468 - 04/19/17 02:06 PM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: Joe Muscara]
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I assume that they'll implement it like they did on the Gemini; so all four filters plus the C/D A/B pickups, the volume control and the damper lever. Using my PC3 I use the sliders like the switches, when the sliders are down it is equivalent to the switches being in the forward position and vice versa. Same with the pickups, when the slider is down the pickup for C/D is D and the slider for A/B is B. I did this so that it the sliders will react like the switches do. With the PC3 9 sliders, I'm using 7 of them; the damper lever is also assigned to a slider. I would think that it could work similarly on the Mojo ......
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#2850478 - 04/19/17 02:20 PM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: ElmerJFudd]
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Originally Posted By: ElmerJFudd
Glad someone spoke up about the AP being laggy. Maybe someone with the Gemini tabletop or DMC-122 can chime in if they are seeing the same from the entire sample library/engine. I'm sure they are learning a lot from their work on the Mojo61 and Gemini based models.

I have the DMC-122/Gemini and don't find the AP to be laggy at all.
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#2850479 - 04/19/17 02:20 PM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: Delaware Dave]
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Ahh, that'd be great to get the damper simulated. I use that a lot... Eagerly awaiting this update

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#2850499 - 04/19/17 05:14 PM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: DaveMcM]
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Originally Posted By: DaveMcM
I have the DMC-122/Gemini and don't find the AP to be laggy at all.
I have not experienced this at all with my Gemini module.
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#2850626 - 04/20/17 10:17 AM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: mate stubb]
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Originally Posted By: mate stubb
Here's a FB vid of the new release (no, it's not up for download yet).

https://www.facebook.com/frankmontis.music/videos/1457073964335475/


Th last 30 seconds when the clav solos sounds amazing. It sounds real "ballsy" for a lack of a better word. I have not played a Clav that sounded that full before. That's a more useful Clav than I've had in any rompler. Do I hear a bit of "Whah" effect now.
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#2850630 - 04/20/17 10:46 AM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: Jazz+]
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Yes, it has autowah (also included in the new release) and overdrive on it.
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#2850638 - 04/20/17 11:01 AM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: mate stubb]
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That's beyond any expectations I had for a "Clav." I expected some thin plucky thing for comping with but this one sounds great as a soloist with Wah and overdrive. Full bodied such that it should really cut it.

Is the solo Wurlitzer sound at the intro been upgraded in some way? Or is it the same as before and is it using Tremelo? It sounds more aggressive and expressive than mine.

My final wish is we get a fast AP. Maybe it needs to be "modeled" too.
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#2850641 - 04/20/17 11:08 AM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: Jazz+]
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He has overdrive and tremolo on the wurli.
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#2850667 - 04/20/17 01:08 PM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: mate stubb]
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Is this old news? Just perusing crumar.it for news of the forthcoming update and who should appear in the "artists" slide show, but our own brotha Mitch Towne.

Hope you don't mind me posting this, Mitch?

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#2850688 - 04/20/17 02:38 PM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: drawback]
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Ha! No, I don't mind you posting this. I always try to be upfront about my relationship with Crumar. In fact, I made sure to mention it in the first post of this thread. smile

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#2850742 - 04/20/17 11:12 PM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: Mitch Towne]
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Frank montis said that he use the expression pedal for wah wah, so not autowah wah

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#2850887 - 04/21/17 02:54 PM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: hrestov]
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Firmware v1.20 is available on the Crumar site.

http://www.crumar.it/?a=support&b=34

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#2850888 - 04/21/17 02:57 PM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: hrestov]
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Frank montis said that he use the expression pedal for wah wah, so not autowah wah

Authentic!
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#2850895 - 04/21/17 04:07 PM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: AnotherScott]
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It has pedal wah and LFO wah, but not envelope follower wah.
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#2850896 - 04/21/17 04:09 PM Re: Crumar Mojo 61 Review - (LONG) [Re: AnotherScott]
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Did the update...

Not finding the wa-wa / LFO option for the clav in the edit FX page

The Clav doesn't sound on anything left of F1. Maybe this is authentic to a Hohner Clavinet but would it be possible to include the others?

And... she sure sounds out of tune to me!

AND.... more cowbell wink

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