shniggens Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Still looking for evidence . . . can't find any. Anyone know where the audio or video clip of the catastrophe can be found? Amateur Hack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
where02190 Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Seems once again that Wayne is in the major minority. Dude, you know nothing about marketing. Selling 3 mil is easy with good PR. If you really think she can sing you need to seriously consider a new career, not in the music industry. IF you cannot hear, even througha ll the autotune on her voice on teh CD that there is not a stich of singing talent there, you got no ears buddy. Perhaps Wayne is really a 15 yr old girl dsiguised as a 51 yr old man. BTW, Wayne, I got this nice bridge for sale, and some excellent beachfront desert property.... Sorry to poke fun, but you make it so darn irresistable when you say these kind of ridiculous tatements:) Hope this is helpful. NP Recording Studios Analog approach to digital recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djwayne Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I've worked with a few female vocalists, and it can be a real chore sometimes. Ashlee rocks !! Living' in the shadow, of someone else's dream.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Originally posted by shniggens: Still looking for evidence . . . can't find any. Anyone know where the audio or video clip of the catastrophe can be found? Here you go. Enjoy ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djwayne Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I'd still rather watch Ashlee than Janet Jackson. At least they didn't have Madonna there. Ashlee Rocks !!!! Living' in the shadow, of someone else's dream.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I generally dont knock peoples taste in music, but you really cant believe that Ashlee has half the talent that her production team would like you to. Sure, maybe she has charisma and can dance, but Id be willing to put up some money to bet that 99% of the singing on her CD is not even her. After seeing what previous acts had pulled (i.e. Milli Vanilli) nothing would surprise me. I can just see the producers telling her that they fixed her vocal tracks the night before when they really brought in someone else to sing the parts correctly. A good producer-friend of mine in L.A .does this all of the time and the artist are usually oblivious to it. If Ashlee really wants to save face then I dare her to do an unplugged show. If she rocks, then Ill take back everything that Ive said. But I doubt that well ever see this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblue1 Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Lisa Simposon sings better. bookmark these: news.google.com | m-w dictionary | wikipedia encyclopedia | Columbia Encyclopedia TK Major / one blue nine | myspace.com/onebluenine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted January 5, 2005 Author Share Posted January 5, 2005 It doesn't matter to me who wrote it, she performed it and turned it into a top ten hit. ....Of course it matters. There are 100,000 pretty girls in the US that could sing it better. She did not turn it into a hit, the record company did. If she cannot write, then she has no future because too many others can sing better. The PR machine will not keep investing in someone that gets boed off stage. There are more profitable ventures out there. The longer she hangs on the more damage she does to Jessica's career. I look for her to change to a modeling career, soon. This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylen Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I didn't get to see the real thing - the clip is kinda short but we get some crackin voice stuff along with shouting lyrics a la Mick Jagger live... I'd have to see the whole thing but watching different entertainers is cool - if we just wanted to watch great entertainers that are note perfect we'd just be watching the small handful that have made it to that point of recognition where they'd be asked to play the Orange Bowl... Unless we wanted Howard Stern to produce it, hehe I bet he'd find some great undiscovered talent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Janet & Madonna, for all their vocal limitations, can both actually SING. And both are more interesting dancers than Ashlee, and I assure you both can & do rock harder than Ashlee when they want to. Originally posted by djwayne: I'd still rather watch Ashlee than Janet Jackson. At least they didn't have Madonna there. Ashlee Rocks !!!!This is what I don't get. If you just wanna look at chicks, a summer day on any beach will take care of your fixation. You can't be THAT desperate to see pretty girls, can you?!?! I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted January 5, 2005 Author Share Posted January 5, 2005 I checked out the clip. Running MS media version at 200 K the quality was not bad. It is short but even then she sounds out of tune with herself. This usually happens when a person's intonation is off. (Is that the correct term? It is not just a matter of being sharp or flat, but the scale is off so that some notes on the scale are more off than others.) Robert This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherri Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 My computer truncated this thread title to read: How To Tell If a Singer is Really ... Rabid www.metalblues.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djwayne Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 A lot of people say Bob Dylan can't sing either. Maybe he's a celebrity because of his looks ?? It's about songwriting and the production dudes....cool tunes !!! Hell, with that football crowd, and that sound system, they would have boo'ed Barbara Striesand. I suppose the SNL incident was just a "genious" marketing ploy to sell lots of records ?? Look at all the flack she's getting over it. That hardly was a good thing or planned. Living' in the shadow, of someone else's dream.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kylen Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Originally posted by Dilligan: If Ashlee really wants to save face then I dare her to do an unplugged show...Oh...I might have to miss that one - I think I could listen to her jumping around with a wall of sound behind her but no so intimate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTRBass Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I'm sorry but Ashlee Simpson is a lousy singer. Her sister and Brit Brit are lousy singers too. Back in the day, Tiffany sucked and she looks like an Opera singer compared to those three. I might not like Kelly Clarkson, Celine Dion, Whitney Houston, Christina Aguilera, Mariah Carey but they can all sing well. It used to be that pop diva's had pipes. What happened, did we run out of talented vocalists or something? The emperor's coming and she's NAKED!!! Now that that Paris Hilton, Pam Anderson, and wrestler Chynna have all done Porn videos, I predict this singer will the next big thing. Go here: http://www.powdermusic.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryson Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Originally posted by shniggens: Still looking for evidence . . . can't find any. Anyone know where the audio or video clip of the catastrophe can be found? http://www.lipsync.us.nyud.net:8090/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted January 5, 2005 Author Share Posted January 5, 2005 Originally posted by djwayne: A lot of people say Bob Dylan can't sing either. Maybe he's a celebrity because of his looks ?? It's about songwriting and the production dudes....cool tunes !!! ....People did not write songs for Bob Dylan. He wrote songs. Same with Carole King. She was a star because she wrote good songs for herself. No one else was going to write songs for her "average" voice. Aretha Franklin and Whitney Huston had longs careers with people writing songs for them. How long do you think people are going to keep providing songs for Ashlee Simpson? Wow. This song I wrote is great. I wonder if Aretha or Whitney will sing it. Maybe I should call Kelly Clarkson instead. She has a good voice and the young crowd knows her. Wait. I've got it. I'll can Ashlee Simpson to sing it. Hmnmm. Ashley or Kelly? Kelly or Ashley? Who in their right mind is going to compose a great song and give it to someone like Ashlee? The only time a song is specifically written for people like Ashlee Simpson is when the machine guarantees sales. The machine does not spend a lot of time on people who cannot sing. Name me a "Bob Dylan type singer" that cannot not write with a long term career of singing. Robert This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
where02190 Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Originally posted by djwayne: It's about songwriting and the production dudes....Neither of which she had anything to do with...dude. I bet she can't even spell production. Face it Dwayne, you just like that fine young stuff you dirty old man. Hope this is helpful. NP Recording Studios Analog approach to digital recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boggs Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Sorry, folks, but what I saw and heard on that clip of Ashlee was an abomination at best... I would not have booed her just because I wouldn't have the heart to boo anyone, but that came close to forcing me past that unwritten rule... Holy Crap that was beyond bad!! Check out my Rock Beach Guitars page showing guitars I have built and repaired... http://www.rockbeachguitars.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djwayne Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Hey Nick, it's studio owners like you that make me happy I have my own studio. I'm a no-name artist and I wouldn't record in your studio for anything, and I'm a nobody !!!! You couldn't even pay me to record there. I've listened to a few of your songs on the website...can you say "Paul Simon rip off" ??? And all that money your momma gave you for music lessons, did you spend it on ice cream and candy ?? Living' in the shadow, of someone else's dream.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxTick Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Here we go again 0096 2251 2110 8105 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 KorN RuLeZ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Knutson Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Hey, I'm with DJ Wayne here. Ashlee Simpson is BY FAR the GREATEST singer EVER to walk the face of the Earth. How can anyone possibly deny that? I got your back, Wayne! These people just don't know true talent when it smacks them right between the rolling eyes. https://bunny.bandcamp.com/ https://theystolemycrayon.bandcamp.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franknputer Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 dj's been hitting the cough syrup again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTRBass Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 This just in... Ashlee Simpson will be performing in Carmen with the London Symphony Orchestra at Royal Albert hall this spring. Afterward she will be an artist in residence teaching a vocal technique masterclass for the London academy. Julliard called, but she politely declined stating "they're just not ready for my advanced techniques yet"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Wayne, I'm sure you agree that it's fine for one person to like Ashlee and another person to wish she'd be run over by a steamroller. It doesn't mean her stuff is better or worse because you (or I) say it is (or isn't). To me, the definition of good music is NEVER, ever tied to how many copies it sells... in fact, sadly, often it's the reverse. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael saulnier Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Ashlee is a construct. You probably know she has her own "reality show". In it, you see her struggling constantly. To learn the songs her "producer" wrote for her, to learn to sing, (with the help of professional coaches), to learn to perform, (because she never WAS a performer before her "tv show"). All the while, the producer and label are planning her "career launch". This is NOT someone who "works it up in the clubs". I have two pre-teen daughters and they exposed me to her cd. It's ok for what it is. Catchy pop tunes with a little "punk-ish" attitude. It's humorous to me that they're supposedly "about" Ashlee, considering she had nothing to do with them, except performing the vocal parts on the tracks. However done, the formula WORKED and Ashlee is firmly entrenched as one of the top selling artists of the moment. #1 at one point. It helps to have a TV show to make you popular. Just ask the Monkees. Sadly, she's had MAJOR fiasco's in her fledgling live "career". We all know about the SNL mess. And now this... abortion. First, what was she doing at the Orange Bowl halftime show. WHO is her demographic? My two daughters didn't even know what the BCS was, let alone have ANY interest in watching the game. And the people that DO have an interest in the game... aren't really Ashlee's demographic, are they. Whoever thought this was a good fit, needs to be removed from their position of influence. The actual performance was clearly marred by horrible technical execution. As mentioned before, from Kelly Clarkson's first notes, you could tell she couldn't hear what she was singing. In spite of some comments that all is canned... that wasn't the case in THIS show... no way would they "can" all the off notes. Or the "testing 1,2,3"... You could practically see the terror in Ashlee's eyes when she sang the first line of her song, and realized she couldn't hear with her in ear monitors. In fact, she did a little "hop", and I thought, oh oh, here comes the "jig". But she clearly thought better of that, and tried to make it through the song. She soon pulled the earpieces out, and tried to just "sing along" to the backing. Sadly, this was a bit too much to ask for someone who doesn't really have the chops to hold it together. As the song progressed, her off tune singing turned to "screams" and another sad story in the Ashlee Simpson saga was born. The media machine cannot be stopped, so... no matter the fiasco, she's on Regis, and so on. I mean remember she's, (as the announcer described her during the halftime show), SUPERSTAR Ashlee Simpson. There's so much cash to be had. The producers aren't going to let a little thing like an "artist" with no talent get in the way of ANYTHING. michael I'm still "guitplayer"! Check out my music if you like... http://www.michaelsaulnier.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I I mjrn Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Of course, as Uncle George Clinton has long told us, "Fantasy is reality in the world today." so it's rare to see an actual live performance on TV anymore, at least for a major event. For other opinion/news on this subject check here . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djwayne Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 So if Ashlee was performing without monitors what do you expect ?? With that much stage noise going on she probably couldn't hear a note she was singing. I can tell you from experience that sucks bigtime, and it's almost impossible to sing properly under those conditions, and who's fault is that ?? Crappy soundmen who can't even rig up monitors at a huge event like that. Everybody's harping about "live performance, live performance, thou shall not lip sync", well guess what bucko's, that's what happens in live situations, with ALL artists. Living' in the shadow, of someone else's dream.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Knutson Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Yeah! So THERE, bucko's! (Right on, Wayne! ) https://bunny.bandcamp.com/ https://theystolemycrayon.bandcamp.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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