RABid Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 When the music starts playing, then the singer starts mouthing the words and no vocals are heard, then she starts shaking the microphone and frantically pointing to it, then the camera cuts away and you hear someone say Testing, 1, 2, 3, then the camera comes back and the singer is using a different microphone and you sort of hear her, then she may really be singing. When the singer holds one finger on her hear and has a panicked look in her eyes because she cannot hear herself sing, then she really may be singing. If at the end of the song one of the background vocalists is having volume problems, drowning out the lead singer, and throwing out some very shaky notes, then they may really be singing. Enough of Kelly Clarksons opening song, lets move to the Simpson wrap-up. If the vocals sound horrible and you wonder why in the world someone that bad is screeching on stage in front of 100,000 people plus a nation audience, then the singer may really be singing. If the singer sounds like they were on a three day drunk before going on stage, it is probably not a lip sync performance. (Am I being to harsh here?) By the way, did anyone else think it sounded like the crowd booed after the halftime show? I kept thinking, how can this get any worse? Then they showed that boring U2 video premier. Robert This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shniggens Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Originally posted by Rabid: By the way, did anyone else think it sounded like the crowd booed after the halftime show? RobertThey played a snippet of the ending on one of the morning radio shows here . . . the crowd was definately booing. Know where I can hear the whole thing in it's entirety? Amateur Hack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpmiii Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 That girl (Simpson) simply can not sing. I almost feel bad for her. Really it is kind of sad. She may have some talent but no experience. The powers that be should have these kids do at least a good year working clubs before they throw them out there. The crowd was booing her at the end. "I never would have seen it, if I didn't already believe it" Unknown http://www.SongCritic.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiveMusic Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 What Simpson girl? There was a girl who sang national anthem, my brother said it was "Jojo." Never heard of her. ANyway, my comment to him was "There are a thousand girls who can sing better than this girl." She was okay but not great by any stretch. > > > [ Live! ] < < < Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted January 5, 2005 Author Share Posted January 5, 2005 Originally posted by LiveMusic: What Simpson girl? There was a girl who sang national anthem, my brother said it was "Jojo." Never heard of her. ANyway, my comment to him was "There are a thousand girls who can sing better than this girl." She was okay but not great by any stretch.Ashlee Simpson, younger sister of Jessica Simpson. Trace Adkins was the country singer. He had the best performance but to me it was a bit boring for a halftime show. Kelly Clarkson was definitely the best singer but she suffered the sound system nightmares. I really felt sorry for her. Especially since she was a sub. I think they originally planned to use Gwen Stefani. That was different than Jojo singing the national anthem. I also did not like that performance. She was trying to show off a bit to much and could not quite pull it off. Too many singers do not understand, when doing the National Anthem it should be about the song. Just sing it like Whitney and the accolades will come without doing all the runs. Robert This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantasticsound Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Maybe they did this as a ploy to convince the public that lip sync'ing is good. I didn't see or hear the performances as our company , holiday party was last night. I certainly hope they don't use this as an excuse to fake it next time. It's easiest to find me on Facebook. Neil Bergman Soundclick fntstcsnd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Keelan Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Next time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
where02190 Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 FYI, most all music performances at these events are track. Networks aren't going to risk the potential disaster, not to mention that every millisecond is money in the advertizing world, where the real money is. Funny, I just saw Ashlee on Regis this morning. Talk about a marketing ploy gone whild. She can't even form understandable sentences half the time, and even her track vocals sound like crap. Gues the Autotune didn't help her much. God help the music industry fi these are the future legends of music. But kids who buy this junk don't care, they jsut care that it's cool to be listening to her. Just one more bit of fallout from the cuts in educational funding for the arts. They can't understand she sucks if they don't knwo what bad is. Education is key. Hope this is helpful. NP Recording Studios Analog approach to digital recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djwayne Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Ashlee Rocks !! 'Least she has the balls to get out there and do it !! How many of you naysayers would perform in front of millions of people ?? I know many who would chicken out at the last minute !! Living' in the shadow, of someone else's dream.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spokenward Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 It really was a hideous display. A media creation, a hat, and a media creation with no gifts. It made me sad. The music business rendered by MBAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Klopmeyer Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Originally posted by djwayne: Ashlee Rocks !! 'Least she has the balls to get out there and do it !! How many of you naysayers would perform in front of millions of people ?? I know many who would chicken out at the last minute !!"At least (he/she) has the balls" is generally the worst justification for a bad performance. if you want to be a performer, you have to perform. If you're scared to do so, pick a line of work where you stay in a cubicle all day. But don't try and do both. - Jeff Marketing Communications for MI/Pro Audio My solo music and stuff They Stole My Crayon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djwayne Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I didn't see the performance, but am aware of the fact it takes guts to get out there and perform in front of a large crowd, I've done it and always enjoyed it, some "performers" won't. And by the way, I really do like her music !! I think she's a really cool chick, and right in tune with her generation. Living' in the shadow, of someone else's dream.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shniggens Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Originally posted by djwayne: and right in tune with her generation.That's the scary part. Amateur Hack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted January 5, 2005 Author Share Posted January 5, 2005 She does not have balls, she has boobs. That and a famous older sister is why she is on stage. It has nothing to do with talent. She seems cool to many young people because a host of professionals supply her clothing, do her hair and makeup, and write her songs. The bottom line is her fans are being played by some 50 year old executive that is pulling all the strings. It is his creation that is cool. Unless some old video comes out to reveal the original Ashlee, like the one that shattered Alanis Morissettes image a few years ago. This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djwayne Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I'm 51 and I like Ashlee and Alanis, they both have cool tunes !! Living' in the shadow, of someone else's dream.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drumrob Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I, too, felt kind of bad for Kelly Clarkson, because at least she can sing. The mix for Trace Adkins was really bad, too. The mixer should have to spend the rest of his career mixing only for Ashlee Simpson! Her performance was an embarassment. I'm glad she got booed. Maybe the public is getting at least a small clue. And I can't stand it when they show close ups of the drummer and it's at least a half second out of sync with the audio! Halftime producers, please give us a break. I'd rather just hear the marching bands than the crap they foist on us. Rob Neidig R & R Creative Productions Eugene OR reneidig@mindspring.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc taz Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I saw about 15 seconds of that dreadful Ashlee Simpson performance while channel surfing. She can't even hit the high notes properly. Even those old fogey prog rock MALE singers (like Jon Anderson) could hit those high notes better than her. No, really. Boobs? Yeah, there was one... sevenstring.org profile my flickr page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
where02190 Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Wayne you're showing your ignorance again...Good promo does not equal talented. Ashlee and Jessica have the "look at me" syndrome, for them they are supposed to be onstage, because they'v been told they are talented, that they are stars. In the 80's the industry went into an uproar becuase all the execs were making the $$ and none was going to the artists. Now here it is 2005 and we're back to the same scenario, boardroom execs making decisions on what is going to be the next big hit, with no consideration on the actual talents they possess, or in the case of Ashlee, don't possess. Face it, the girl cannot sing, doesn't write, has the worst fashion sense, and less rhythm than a junk car. She's a marketing genious, a nothing riding on the coat tails of a nothing (Jessica) all because they got tits and ass, and a great PR staff. These girls are eventually in for a rude awakening when their 15 minutes is over and they have to face the stark reality that they are not the talent they were lead to believe by the moneymongers getting rich off them told them they were. Not to mention the shock they'll get when they find out this extravagant lifestyle they've been living has put them in debt to their record company for millions. No one gets a free ride, just the illusion of one. Hope this is helpful. NP Recording Studios Analog approach to digital recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djwayne Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Nick, ...YOU own a recording studio ?? why ?? To make recordings and belittle successfull artists ?? The truth is, she's got a cd full of hot songs that rock, AND are getting airtime. Good management ?? Yes, Marketing genious ?? I don't think so. You don't even have a clue why she's getting airtime...I'll give you one...I wish I had a tune as strong as "La La"....the song rocks and I wish I would have recorded that at my place !!!! The video rocks !! The girl is full of a postive vibe, that is really catchy...if you're into rock music, give her music a chance, and you'll see it works. Her fans love her and that's what counts. You don't sell 3 million records with no fan base. It's just that simple, and I don't care who her sister is. Living' in the shadow, of someone else's dream.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stranger Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I'm sure that far more than 3 million people bought pet rocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shniggens Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 People like different things for different reasons. If people like things just because it's what they like, I wouldn't call them ignorant. It's just their taste!! Well, except maybe 50 Cent . . . Amateur Hack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wraub Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 And, on a related note... Jamie-Lynn Spears has a new TV show. Peace, wraub I'm a lot more like I am now than I was when I got here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted January 5, 2005 Author Share Posted January 5, 2005 Well, about 15 seconds into her song I was thinking Oh God. This has ruined it for everyone. They will never allow another halftime show with live vocals again. By the way, who wrote La La? This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 And that, in a nutshell, is the problem with the music industry today. People within it fail to recognize the diff between talent and marketability - or more precisely, they don't give a hoot about talent as long as they have something marketable. A hot chick 'singing' a song that 'rocks' is all that matters.... Originally posted by djwayne: Nick, ...YOU own a recording studio ?? why ?? To make recordings and belittle successfull artists ?? The truth is, she's got a cd full of hot songs that rock, AND are getting airtime. Good management ?? Yes, Marketing genious ?? I don't think so. You don't even have a clue why she's getting airtime...I'll give you one...I wish I had a tune as strong as "La La"....the song rocks and I wish I would have recorded that at my place !!!! The video rocks !! The girl is full of a postive vibe, that is really catchy...if you're into rock music, give her music a chance, and you'll see it works. Her fans love her and that's what counts. You don't sell 3 million records with no fan base. It's just that simple, and I don't care who her sister is.And yes, people were indeed booing - right from the start, before the band struck a note. And I do feel for Clarkson, who had to endure that booing along with the sound-system nightmares. But there was nothing good about any part of that show. It was essentially people striking poses while fireworks were sent into the air, and it was obvious to the fans (and the TV audience) right from the get-go that the whole thing was gonna be garbage. The PA problems were merely the scum on top of the stinky pond. I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc taz Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Originally posted by djwayne: Nick, ...YOU own a recording studio ?? why ?? To make recordings and belittle successfull artists ?? The truth is, she's got a cd full of hot songs that rock, AND are getting airtime. Good management ?? Yes, Marketing genious ?? I don't think so. You don't even have a clue why she's getting airtime...I'll give you one...I wish I had a tune as strong as "La La"....the song rocks and I wish I would have recorded that at my place !!!! The video rocks !! The girl is full of a postive vibe, that is really catchy...if you're into rock music, give her music a chance, and you'll see it works. Her fans love her and that's what counts. You don't sell 3 million records with no fan base. It's just that simple, and I don't care who her sister is.Well, I'm glad that you like her. But you know she's got to do something when a crowd practically boos her off the stage. There are much better young performers out there that deserve air time. Perhaps she should consider going indie for a while, and really learn to write songs like some of the best artists have, without too much support from a songwriting crew. You know... good old trial and error. If she can go to school to study her craft, and/or spend her spare time just jamming with other folks, so much the better. Maybe somebody should hand her a few Carole King and Carly Simon records or something. sevenstring.org profile my flickr page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djwayne Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 It doesn't matter to me who wrote it, she performed it and turned it into a top ten hit. The video rocks !! You can also ask the question, who wrote all of Clapton's songs ?? Because he didn't write them, does that make him a no-talent hack ?? It's about production, and offering a final product that sells. Living' in the shadow, of someone else's dream.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc taz Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Fair enough. But still, being booed off soundly like she was says a lot, as well. sevenstring.org profile my flickr page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djwayne Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Of course some people "boo", So what ?? How many artists are really liked by everyone ?? Selling 3 million records is great but in relationship to the general population that's only about .5% who like her music, which is a fantastic number for somebody just starting out. While I was dj'ing, Micheal Jackson was the top selling artist out there, and some people would throw beer bottles at me for playing his music !!! Living' in the shadow, of someone else's dream.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbach1 Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 My daughter is 11. We watched Ashlee Simpson perform??!! during the halftime show. We both burst out laughing it was so bad. Even my daughter can tell that it was a bad song by a really lousy singer. I don't know. To each their own I guess. bbach Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicalhair Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Originally posted by djwayne: Ashlee Rocks !! 'Least she has the balls to get out there and do it !! How many of you naysayers would perform in front of millions of people ?? I know many who would chicken out at the last minute !!She has balls?!?! She's faking that too? I was about to turn off the halftime show until I heard that Aslee Simpson was going to perform. Right off the bat you could tell Kelly Clarkson couldn't hear something her monitors, probably her own voice as we couldn't hear it. I really wish that was Ashlee at that moment because Kelly handled it as well as you could expect. For each of the singers you could hear their live performance and the recorded track they were doubling pretty clearly-- maybe because their in ear monitors were problematic-- but none of the three sounded all that good. I'd chalk it up to a monitoring problem. But if anyone can look at the Ashlee Simpson performance last night and call her an artist and defend her: well, you're nuts. That would have been laughed off any club in NYC I've been to or played. It don't take "balls" it takes gall, there is a difference. From anything I've heard of hers I'd say I've not worked with a female vocalist that was as bad as her-- vocally. The audience was booing. They must have had a sixth sense or something because I thought they were booing from the git-go. The definately booing at the end. And am I the only one that found "ironic" or "moronic" the crotch shots of the country singer guy singing about "good-hearted women, family and God"? Sandwiching him between Kelly Clarkson-- who can sing and needs something better than the stock canned crap she sings to so that her voice can be more on display-- and Ashlee Simpson says more than I can even put into words. check out some comedy I've done: http://louhasspoken.tumblr.com/ My Unitarian Jihad Name: Brother Broadsword of Enlightened Compassion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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