How to tell if a singer is really singing. i.e., the Orange Bowl halftime show.

[kylen]

Originally posted by Bunny.:

Hey, I'm with DJ Wayne here. Ashlee Simpson is BY FAR the GREATEST singer EVER to walk the face of the Earth. How can anyone possibly deny that?

Bunny - did you go to sleep yet

[kylen]

Originally posted by djwayne:

So if Ashlee was performing without monitors what do you expect ?? With that much stage noise going on she probably couldn't hear a note she was singing. I can tell you from experience that sucks bigtime, and it's almost impossible to sing properly under those conditions, and who's fault is that ?? Crappy soundmen who can't even rig up monitors at a huge event like that.

Dj - don't they use in-ear monitoring now? You mean she didn't have those either? Yikes...bad planning on top of a bad plan...

[djwayne]

With the nasty attitudes towards Ashlee that I've seen demonstrated just on this forum, I wouldn't be surprised if they cut off the monitors intentionally, just to f... her up.

 

Welcome to the music business !!

[where02190]

If you've ever worked a professional sporting event, especially footlball, you know that neither team nor the league will concede any RF information to halftime talent. This means that no matter what preproduction is done with regards to RF, (which is how the In Ear Monitors are fed their signal) all bets are off when it comes to them working come showtime. Precisely (along with the timing of the event to the millisecond for advertizing $$$) why the networks push for artists to perform to track. A few hardwire wedges and they'll at least be close enough for camera shots. However, wiht the amount of frequencies the teams and league take up, plus the number that the atists need, it's highly likely tht come showtime, something from the teams or league is going to be stomping on something from the artist, and the artist always loses. The teams and league officials are not going to turn off their perfectly working gear, and they absolutely will not disclose their broadcast frequencies to the RF coordinator for the halftime show.

 

Even the sound systems used for such events as the Superbowl and the NFL Kickoff (which I have been involved with) are no match for 70-80,000 screaming fans. They don't even bother to try really, there's no point, you cannot compete with 120+db of sceaming stadium mayhem, it just becomes more noise, and the louder you turn it up, the louder the crowd gets.

 

The audio comany also has a safety responsibility to the public in terms of overall SPL. these are union venues, subject to very heavily enforced OSHA laws.

 

There are so many factors involved here, none of which are excuses for Ashlees lack of talent. However it does shed some light on why Networks push for track shows.

 

As far as your attempt at demeaning my work Dwayne, nice try. I think you said it all when you said

...and I'm a nobody

You're not a nobldy Dwayne, you just haven'd had the Pr money like Ashlee has stuffing you down the throats of every MTV watching teenage girl with a cell phone and a credit card.

 

But then, who'd want to?

 

Seriously Dwayne, your attempt at p*ssing contests is getting really, really old.

[djwayne]

You're the one who's getting old and keeps starting the pissing contest dude....my comments about you and your attitude stands. Ashlee may not be the greatest singer in the world, but we like her music, her tunes, her style, making excuses by blaming the NFL is a bunch of baloney. If they don't want entertainment, they shouldn't have entertainment. There's no excuse for no monitors, other than a lack of professionalism on the part of the people responsible for providing the sound system. Any singer you choose would have had a difficult time in the same situation.

 

It's really time to give your ego a rest, and let artists do THEIR thing, it's THEIR music, and not many people care if you like it or not.

 

I would never record at your place because of all the bickering over such petty things, you insist on doing, it would be a complete waste of my time.

[Henchman]

Originally posted by djwayne:

I'd still rather watch Ashlee than Janet Jackson. At least they didn't have Madonna there.

 

Ashlee Rocks !!!!

You really are an idiot.

[musicalhair]

Don't feed trolls. Half of this thread is responding to one guy "trolling" for trouble.

 

Hey where02190, thanks for the detailed info.

[Prague]

So, there really IS a dichotomy between DJ and Musicplayer.

[LawrenceF]

Originally posted by djwayne:

I would never record at your place because of all the bickering over such petty things, you insist on doing, it would be a complete waste of my time.

If you think Ashlee Simpson "may not be the greatest singer", recording ANYWHERE would probably be a complete waste of your time. Fact is she may be THE worst singer currently being pushed by any major record label in America. I seriously cannot think of anyone as prominent who is so very bad singing. And there's a lot of sub-standard vocal talent out there.

 

No offense to you, the genre of music that Ashlee plays to or her legion of "fans"...

 

The girl simply is a very bad singer. Arguing with that fact is pointless. If you like her you like her and I won't put you down for that. To each his own. But...

 

Don't come to a pro audio forum and try to tell audio professionals that she's a better singer than Janet Jackson or Madonna (which BTW aren't known as great singers either). You only make yourself sound foolish. If you like her music there's nothing wrong with that, apparently many do. But...

 

She can't sing. Period. Get over it. If she were an American Idol contestant she'd be a female version of William Hung, a musical joke. Uh... she actually is already that.

 

He was paid to sing at a large event also remember? If not for her sister (who along with Brittney Spears and countless other blond bimbo pop star types who can barely stay in tune) you'd never know who she was.

 

Bad live sound aside I've heard Kelly Clarkston acapella and otherwise. The girl's got pipes along with Christina Aguilerra. I wonder if Ashlee could have done the "Mulan" soundtrack.

 

Yeah right. In the Twilight Zone.

 

Lawrence

[FoxTick]

Originally posted by djwayne:

You're the one who's getting old and keeps starting the pissing contest dude....my comments about you and your attitude stands. Ashlee may not be the greatest singer in the world, but we like her music, her tunes, her style, making excuses by blaming the NFL is a bunch of baloney. If they don't want entertainment, they shouldn't have entertainment. There's no excuse for no monitors, other than a lack of professionalism on the part of the people responsible for providing the sound system. Any singer you choose would have had a difficult time in the same situation.

 

It's really time to give your ego a rest, and let artists do THEIR thing, it's THEIR music, and not many people care if you like it or not.

 

I would never record at your place because of all the bickering over such petty things, you insist on doing, it would be a complete waste of my time.

Judas Tapdancing Preist!! Would you just let it go!!!

 

Where makes valid points about RF interference, I have done gigs at military bases and they're the same way. RF IEMs are a bad idea wherever there is heavy radio activity. period. As a sound guy, bands have tried to blame me for their shortcommings before. Have you ever mixed monitors, djwayne? Have you ever had to ride microphone gain right to the edge of feedback because the f**king singer doesn't project their voice like they're supposed to?

 

What's your email address? I'm going to PayPal you some cash so you can buy a clue.

 

Ashlee rocks? Ashlee has talent? POPPYCOCK!!

 

There are some people on this very forum that have more talent in their fingernail than Ashlee has in her whole family.

 

Let it go, seriously dude...

[where02190]

Dwayne, try to understand this basic concept. Unless you want to do permanent hearing damage for one show, there is no monitoring system, wedges, IEMS, etc, that can compete with the spl that a pumped up 70-80,000 attendance can produce. There are staduims in the US alone Usch as the one the KC Chiefs play) that crowd levels regularly exceed 140db. 140db dude. you can't even think at that level, nevermind hear pitch.

 

That's why artists want to perform to track for these shows.

 

Originally posted by djwayne:

Ashlee may not be the greatest singer in the world, but we like her music, her tunes, her style

No Dwayne, you like her. Everyone else here knows she has know talent.

[where02190]

Damn doublepost.....

[djwayne]

"She can't sing. Period. Get over it."

 

It's all a matter of opinion. Music paints a sound landscape for a certain atmosphere or mood of one's choosing. Ashlee's music certainly fits in with her genre. Just as the Cleveland Orchestra fits into theirs. Who's to say what is good or bad, when it comes to art. Take it for what it is. There was a time when critics said "Madonna can't sing, can't dance, can't act"...but she did....Many people disliked Elvis, the Beatles...so it all depends on one's individual taste at the moment.

 

Different strokes for different folks.

[Anderton]

You're gonna love this link:

 

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6791368/

 

Thanks Fletcher for passing it along.

 

Ashlee Simpson even got a new year's eve TV gig!

 

Now, she made a CD with some pleasing confections, I actually like "Pieces of Me." I admit it. BUT...after the SNL thing, she apparently felt she needed to prove she could sing. Her first attempt was doing a live concert on AOL. Having been somewhat unkind toward Ms. Simpson in this forum regarding SNL, I figure I should listen and prepare to make amends.

 

I'll give her credit: She must have been singing live, because no engineer would have let a track like that out of a studio. It was like "punk lite" or something, except that it wasn't a punk song...ooops.

 

I admire the fact that she just won't give up, but she is getting some bad career direction. Besides, of the various Simpson family members, everyone knows Lisa is the best musician.

[FoxTick]

Originally posted by djwayne:

"She can't sing. Period. Get over it."

 

It's all a matter of opinion.

Bullsh*t!

 

didn't you learn the difference between FACT and OPINION in elementry school like the rest of us?

 

"SHE CAN'T SING" is a FACT, NOT an OPINION! get it straight!

[GTRBass]

DJWayne,

 

You seem to be a staunch supporter of Ashelee. All kidding aside, I think that's commendable to a point. Was the sound bad? Yup, sure was, but 'lil Ashlee shouldn't have been up there in the first place.

 

I've been a live performer for longer than I care to admit. I've played venues that range from 30 seat dive bars all the way to the places like the Carrierdome. Playing a "one off" stadium show is a frighteningly chaotic experience. I've actually done a tour where we played several stadium venues (as an opener) and even with a crew and system that's totally dailed in it's tough.

 

Part of Ashlee's problem is that she has no experience dealing with "worst case" sound conditions. In truth, that's what paying you're dues is all about. Back in the old days we used to say that once you get good at playing with a Shure "vocal smasher" PA in some roadhouse off interstate 90, you can handle anything that gets thrown at you in the big leagues. I can tell you that's absolutely true.

 

The biggest part of Ashlee's problem is an example of exactly what's wrong with the music industry today no one does artist developement anymore. The idiots who run the business expect instant profits. Everyone's got a big head and is greedy including Ashlee's a$$hat of a father/manager.

 

Ashlee Simpson probably has a lot of potential, but unfortunately it may never be realized because the truth is she's clearly not ready for the big leagues as a live performer. Instead of taking their time and developing a career with longevity her "handlers" want instant sh*t, and that's exactly what they got.

 

I feel sorry for this kid. The pressure and scrutiny she's under is what causes young stars like her to end up in a crappy motel off Hollywood blvd with a bottle of whisky and a bag of dope goin' "I peaked at 18". Seen it happen more than once.

[djwayne]

So who sang on her cd ??

 

Who sang in her video ??

 

Ashlee !!!

 

Ashlee can sing !!

[FoxTick]

http://www.digital-systems.net/acatalog/antares_autotune01.jpg

 

Yeah, she can "sing" allright

[where02190]

Originally posted by djwayne:

So who sang on her cd ??

 

Who sang in her video ??

 

Ashlee !!!

 

Ashlee can sing !!

Autotune did. Along iwth a milion overdubs, session singers, a great job of engineering a turn of a vocal, and a huge recording budget.

 

I could make my dog sound good if I wanted to with the available technology today.

 

Wake up Dwayne and join the real world. She's proven time and time again she cannot sing, she has no singing talent, period. She has no writiing talent, period. She knows nothing about production, and even less about performing live. Facts, buddy, facts.

 

To put her and the Cleveland Symphony in the same post shows your ignorance once again.

 

Or maybe you just enjoy making a complete ass of yourself. who knows.

[dj jud]

Alright Wayne, its getting old.

Don't make me take away my DJ status to keep people from getting us confused.

 

I saw the poll on MSNBC. 76% of the general public (non music people) thought it sucked.

 

Yeah, she probably does have talent. Too bad some greedy people want to exploit it before it can be developed. Give her another 5 years of good, honest dues paying, hard knocks, and creative soul searching and she might put out something that lasts longer than an ice cube on a hot summer day.

[Dr Nursers]

I'm with dj and bunny - Ashlee Rocks!!!!

[djwayne]

I'll bet she'll get into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame before you do, and she won't have to buy a ticket.

[GTRBass]

OK "DJWayne" just admit it...

 

You're Ashlee's Drummer and the only reason you're taking this stance is so you don't get wrongfully fired ..again... by Joe Simpson

[djwayne]

Nope, never met Ashlee. As a professional dj, I would be happy to play her music for a crowd. It's all about her songs. They rock, pure and simple.

[GTRBass]

Sorry Bro, but Ashlee rocks about as hard as Petulla Clark.

 

Tina Turner Rocks. Led Zeppelin rocks. The Who Rocks. The Stones Rock. AC/DC Rocks. Linkin Park Rocks. The Killers Rock.

 

Call it like it is...Ashlee is a teenage pop singer. That's not a bad thing, but I'm sorry, she doesn't Rock.

[djwayne]

Yes, those artists rocked their generation, but Ashlee is rockin' her's.

 

How many Led Zeppelin fans were into Paul Anka, Tommy Dorsey, Fats Waller ??

[where02190]

Actually IMHO Petulla has it all over Ashlee, at least Petulla could sing.

 

Ashlee might pose here way into a show at teh R&R hall of fame, but I'll bet my left one, hell my right one also, that she never gets inducted. 3 yrs from now no one will even know who she is.

[Cozmicslop]

Originally posted by theblue1:

Lisa Simpson sings better.

So does Bart...

 

Even O.J.

 

Ashlee Simpson in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?

 

The caterwauling of a drunken bear is more musical.

[where02190]

Checking ticketmaster, it seems ticket sales for her upcoming tour aren't going too hot either.

 

Hell the even the ancient Moley Crue is kicking her ass in ticket sales.

 

Did I say 3 years...make that 18 months.

[MikeT156]

God, that was horrible. The woman can't sing. She should change careers. She's cute and has T&A. I'm sure she can find something else to "do". That's about it.

 

Half time shows have really hit an all time low.

 

Mike T.