Theo Verelst Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Isn't it ? Among all the new stuff populist styles and the glee around people copying it, maybe sometimes it's a good contemplation what's cool and what's not. Maybe some Jazz is party, and up tempo, but still, mostly Jazz musicians are supposed to be cool, that's what people expect. T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PianoMan51 Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 There was a time, before Birth of the Cool, when jazz was 'hot". Your task: Compare and Contrast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Loving Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 The music style nobody will pay good money to listen to live. Quote "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatoboy Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 The best.... Quote CP-50, YC 73, FP-80, PX5-S, NE-5d61, Kurzweil SP6, XK-3, CX-3, Hammond XK-3, Yamaha YUX Upright, '66 B3/Leslie 145/122 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 "Cool", as in "not showing much emotion or enthusiasm"? Not during the time of Frankie Manning: [video:youtube] Link if video embedding is busted: From some perspectives, the decline of jazz as the dominant form of popular music began with the separation of the musicians and the dancers - that is, when jazz stopped being a music to dance to. I'm not sure that's MY perspective, but its something I've heard from others... peeps who also blame the Charlies (Christian and Parker) and their buddies on 52nd St. for the evolution of bebop which discouraged dancing. I think the end began when jazz stopped being a music of the street, just as hip hop began as a music of the street later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffincltnc Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Jazz isn't dead. It just smells funny. -Frank Zappa Quote Yamaha U1 Upright, Roland Fantom 8, Nord Stage 4 HA73, Nord Wave 2, Korg Nautilus 73, Viscount Legend Live, Lots of Mainstage/VST Libraries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Jazz isn't dead. It just smells funny. -Frank Zappa Zappa was a funny dude, and I'm familiar with that joke, but I want to clarify that I did not say jazz is dead. It was replaced as the dominant popular music, which is different. Anyway, the OP's talking about whether it is a music that is "cool", as in played with little emotional display, like orchestral classical music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docbop Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 You talking about Jazz the style or real Jazz the approach the playing. Most people don't know there's a difference and that includes people playing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatoboy Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 You talking about Jazz the style or real Jazz the approach the playing. Most people don't know there's a difference and that includes people playing it. Very true Doc..! Quote CP-50, YC 73, FP-80, PX5-S, NE-5d61, Kurzweil SP6, XK-3, CX-3, Hammond XK-3, Yamaha YUX Upright, '66 B3/Leslie 145/122 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threadslayer Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Jazz isn't dead. It just smells funny. -Frank Zappa There was an article posted here a while back from Sound On Sound or one of the other audio mags that said there are more people today that want to play jazz than there are those who want to listen to it. pretty cringe-worthy but probably accurate Quote Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -Mark Twain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyFF Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Jazz isn't dead. It just smells funny. -Frank Zappa Zappa was a funny dude, and I'm familiar with that joke, but I want to clarify that I did not say jazz is dead. It was replaced as the dominant popular music, which is different. Anyway, the OP's talking about whether it is a music that is "cool", as in played with little emotional display, like orchestral classical music. Not quoting a dictionary, but my understanding of 'cool' is not strictly about having little emotional display, and I would never describe orchestral classical music players as 'cool', rather highly focused, nondescript, 'orchestrated' players. For me, 'cool' is two different qualities, as in 'cool under pressure', not freaking out. It can also mean 'cool', as the embodiment of confidence, and a je ne sais quoi charisma(?) that people who do not possess it are in awe of, as in someone who doesn't have to try to be awesome, they just are. You get the idea, I'm sure someone else can better characterize it in words. But while there's these more conventional definitions, there's also the use of 'cool' in the same way 'bitchin' was once used, and in this common usage, the Frankie Manning video COULD be described as 'cool'. Quote Numa Piano X73 /// Kawai ES920 /// Casio CT-X5000 /// Yamaha EW425 Yamaha Melodica and Alto Recorder QSC K8.2 // JBL Eon One Compact // Soundcore Motion Boom Plus Win10 laptop i7 8GB // iPad Pro 9.7" 32GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 For me, 'cool' is two different qualities, as in 'cool under pressure', not freaking out. It can also mean 'cool', as the embodiment of confidence, and a je ne sais quoi charisma(?) that people who do not possess it are in awe of, as in someone who doesn't have to try to be awesome, they just are. You get the idea, I'm sure someone else can better characterize it in words. But while there's these more conventional definitions, there's also the use of 'cool' in the same way 'bitchin' was once used, and in this common usage, the Frankie Manning video COULD be described as 'cool'. I interpreted the OP's post as meaning the former rather than the latter. So, "cool" as in the musical performance approach favored by the Tristano school, the "West Coast" musos, the "Birth of the Cool" record, etc. Jazz fans today consider Bird to be "cool" but who in their right mind would consider "Donna Lee" to be an example of "cool jazz"? When I took jazz history class in community college, the "cool jazz" movement was portrayed as a reaction to the fiery bebop school originating on 52nd St. in Harlem. Dunno if that's still accepted as true history by the jazz scholars these days. Have you read this book? https://www.amazon.com/Lee-Konitz-Conversations-Improvisers-Perspectives/dp/0472032178 Konitz has some strong opinions, to say the least, about being a musician vs. being an "entertainer". To him, an "entertainer" is not "cool". A "cool" musician and a musician who plays music seriously is one and the same to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reezekeys Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Zappa also called jazz 'the music of unemployment.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Biggest crowd of people under 30 that I saw at a jazz performance was at Cropped Out 2014 Festival in Louisville KY. It was when Sun Ra Arkestra played their set. Just a sea of young people surrounding the stage. A few months later, I got to see them again at the Lincoln Theater with special guest Bernie Worrell - that show was well attended but it was more of a mixed crowd, age-wise. Sun Ra left us years ago, but Marshall Allen and crew have a way compelling young people to come out to jazz shows, just by being who they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Newport Jazz Festival was last weekend. I wonder how well attended it was? Quote "I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck "The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Verelst Posted August 8, 2019 Author Share Posted August 8, 2019 "That girl is red-hot", "what a cool babe", unless this group has led an unearthly statistically unlikely (hobby) musicians life, a huge majority of the males probably communicated about the coolness subject in such area of interest as well. Maybe some (partly) improvised progressive musicians remain outwardly cool, while their creative spirit is alike an energetic plasma, and their intelligence at high speed ! T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboyNQ Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Keyboard players appointing themselves as arbiters of 'cool'? Hey, it could work. I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_OA Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Except Bebop and hardbop, nobody gets those ð Quote Trumpet player by trade, but fell in love with keys too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 The music style nobody will pay good money to listen to live. ...or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 This article says the 2019 Newport Jazz festival was a near sellout. I guess that means it was well attended? https://whatsuprhodeisland.com/2019/08/2019-newport-jazz-festival-day-2-recap-and-photos/ Back to the OP's question, from what I can understand of it... I have no idea if other people think jazz is cool. All I know is that whenever Sun Ra Arkestra comes to town, people pack the place to the gills. They also seem to come out in droves for Pharaoh Sanders and Snarky Puppy. I personally don't think about jazz being cool or not cool. I just listen to it and try to play it. Just like the peeps who are into the sport of curling around here - haven't seen it played, but I heard it's a thing. This is a sport that has been the butt of jokes on American sports radio shows, yet there they are, pursuing this sport. People who truly have a passion for something do not seem to care if it is cool or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted August 10, 2019 Share Posted August 10, 2019 I like hot jazz, not cool and restrained jazz. I like piano players in the Oscar Peterson, Gene Harris, Monty Alexander,Wynton Kelly, Red Garland, Joey DeFrancesco, Jimmy Smith, Errol Garner stream. Uplifting music! Cool jazz is good for relaxin or background music. Quote Harry Likas was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Find 700 of Harry’s piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and jazz piano tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Verelst Posted August 11, 2019 Author Share Posted August 11, 2019 I'd say all traditional and currently actually progressive (and with that I don't mean the "ability" to play back samples or something) Jazz I've seen at North Sea Jazz (recent years mostly on TV) usually contains the _cool_ element I meant. T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_OA Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 I'd say all traditional and currently actually progressive (and with that I don't mean the "ability" to play back samples or something) Jazz I've seen at North Sea Jazz (recent years mostly on TV) usually contains the _cool_ element I meant. T North Sea Jazz had less and less to do with jazz and more your run-of-the-mill festival with popular artists. Jazz is more on the background then ever and that's a real shame. Quote Trumpet player by trade, but fell in love with keys too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
re Pete Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 I'm confused. Is this cool or hot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted August 12, 2019 Share Posted August 12, 2019 To add to the confusion, there is a sub-genre of jazz called "Hot Club". Learned about it on Fiddle Forum from a jazz violinist's frequent rants about the Hot Club style and how he was expected to play it, when he's more into jazz violin as represented by Jean Luc Ponty and others who emerged after him. https://www.npr.org/2008/11/24/97402070/djangos-world-hot-club-jazz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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