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Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: engineerjoel] #3018330 12/04/19 12:09 AM
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I've been wanting to ask this, but kept forgetting:

I want to globally assign a footswitch to control tap tempo. This to sync FX/arps to whatever tempo the band is playing on the fly.

I've been unable to figure this out and inclined to think it is not possible. Anybody here done this successfully? thanks.


On a different note: has anybody updated to v2.00?

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I've upgraded and had no issues thu

Full thread on 2.0 update here

Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: engineerjoel] #3018342 12/04/19 02:00 AM
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I’ll concur with Nursers. I updated to 2.0 when it was released.
No issues
Hybrid mode and ability to be a host to usb only controllers is what allow me to use my new PX-S3000 with my MODX6


I haven’t used tap tempo so unable to answer that


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Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: engineerjoel] #3019230 12/12/19 01:28 AM
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I'm interested in MODX6. I was at a Luke Juby demo at the weekend and we got to A/B some of the Krome 61 features I use. A few couldn't be emulated but one could, albeit by a different method. It was to clock out an AWM2 sound at a lower rate, but re-tuned or transposed, to be at the original pitch. This was to slow the vibrato rate on sounds where it's part of the sample, and not LFO or chorus derived. Unfortunately we were working through stuff quickly, so I was just checking what was possible and not possible. rather than the fine detail of how. Anyone here have an idea how this was being done? TBH it wasn't quite right as we were getting different rates of vibrato on different keys with the same sound, but the principle seemed to be in there somewhere.

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Originally Posted by icarusi
This was to slow the vibrato rate on sounds where it's part of the sample, and not LFO or chorus derived..TBH it wasn't quite right as we were getting different rates of vibrato on different keys with the same sound.

When the vibrato is part of the recorded sample, the rate of vibrato will be different on different keys. The Yamaha is essentially "speeding up" or "slowing down" the recording as it stretches a sample over adjacent keys, until you get to a point where it's using a different sample... and then, you're using a different recording, where again the vibrato speed could be slightly different anyway. If you want to control the vibrato speed and maintain its consistency, use a sample where they did not record the person playing a vibrato, and use an LFO instead. Though the human player has the advantage of sounding more like a human player. ;-)


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This was to slow the vibrato rate on sounds where it's part of the sample, and not LFO or chorus derived..TBH it wasn't quite right as we were getting different rates of vibrato on different keys with the same sound.

When the vibrato is part of the recorded sample, the rate of vibrato will be different on different keys. The Yamaha is essentially "speeding up" or "slowing down" the recording as it stretches a sample over adjacent keys, until you get to a point where it's using a different sample... and then, you're using a different recording, where again the vibrato speed could be slightly different anyway. If you want to control the vibrato speed and maintain its consistency, use a sample where they did not record the person playing a vibrato, and use an LFO instead. Though the human player has the advantage of sounding more like a human player. ;-)


One way on a Krome is to 'lock-in' a down pitch bend, using one of the joystick buttons, then transpose the patch to maintain the correct pitch position on the keyboard. There's another way but it's a control on the edit window that I can't recall it's exact name. but it just has a slider which both clocks out slower (or faster) but automatically adjusts the pitch to compensate. All you hear is the vibrato rate change. There's no LFO involved as the vibrato is in the samples. Luke's results were quite extreme in the vibrato rate change, but the keyboard pitching seemed correct. I don't know if he was using an FM sound at the time.

I think this is the control. It's called 'pitch stretch', but it's not explained much in the Korg docs. https://youtu.be/VmuyF15SdCU?t=97

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Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: engineerjoel] #3020538 12/23/19 12:02 AM
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So I'm quite interested in the MODX in my never-ending search for the perfect gig keyboard. I'm sure it sounds great, there's a shed load of user performances (which is the mode I'd stay in live). Effects seem to be retained from programs in 4 element performances, which is critical for me. I just have one question; how do you change sounds? I've never had a keyboard that doesn't have a numeric keypad. If I've programmed song XYZ in performances 245 - 250, intending to step through them with a foot pedal, how do I get to performance 245 in the first place? Is there a keypad in the touch screen? How do you guys use the MODX live?

I'd be looking at the 73 (6?) note version. Also hoping that Kurzweil bring out a PC4 76. Thanks for any guidance you can give me.

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Hi Chris,

Aside from MIDI driven performance changes (I use MainStage to switch between them), you can either use the touch screen to select performances (and you can arrange them so the ones you use are at the top) or the scroll wheel allows you to move between performances as long as you're in performance mode i.e. don't have set list mode enabled.

Hope that helps

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Thanks David.

Being lazy here I guess but how does set list mode work?

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No problems the touch screen starts in setlist mode from memory i.e. there is a box for each performance you select by pressing on it, with the ability to go up and down the list by pressing the up and down buttons on the screen. To get to the performance mode (where you only see the performance you're in) you just press on the Performance button just to the right of the screen. To get back to setlist mode there's also a setlist button to the right of the screen.

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Originally Posted by Chris47
So I'm quite interested in the MODX in my never-ending search for the perfect gig keyboard. I'm sure it sounds great, there's a shed load of user performances (which is the mode I'd stay in live). Effects seem to be retained from programs in 4 element performances, which is critical for me. I just have one question; how do you change sounds? I've never had a keyboard that doesn't have a numeric keypad. If I've programmed song XYZ in performances 245 - 250, intending to step through them with a foot pedal, how do I get to performance 245 in the first place? Is there a keypad in the touch screen? How do you guys use the MODX live?

I'd be looking at the 73 (6?) note version. Also hoping that Kurzweil bring out a PC4 76. Thanks for any guidance you can give me.


There is no perfect keyboard and MODX is no exception. Its a good all around board. Touchscreen makes the things you used to use button banks for very easy to navigate. No need for a large bank of buttons. Just plan what you’re going to do ahead of time (which I would always do for any gig ever ever ever) and its easy. SetList mode is where I lived during gigs - you see 16 Perrormances you placed there. Next page has the next 16. And so forth. You can have different set lists, each with up to 8 pages of 16. You don’t really need to know the bank/slot location of Performances. You can search by name, keyword, even character string. Find the Performance then put it in your set list and voila - you see the actual name you give it. Its different way to work from old school bank/slot management like we did years ago.

Think of it like a computer - do you really know where any program is in the memory disk? Of course not - you just call for the name you want and the computer finds it. Same here.

Effects seem to be retained from programs in 4 element performances
- not sure what you were trying to say here but its incorrect. Each Performance can have 8 live parts you can play via MODX keyboard, plus 8 more you could midi via external controller. Each part has up to 8 Elements. Each element can have up to 2 insertion effects. Then you have 2 Part level effects that will affect all of the elements. Not sure how many songs you’d ever need 3 consecutive Performances - each of 8 Parts is akin to a standalone sound. You can switch them on and off at different points as you need them.

What it does poorly - what stands out is B3 Organ is below avg. For the true tech geeks, the midi implementation (limitations) pisses them off. There is no complete onboard sequencer, which really doesn’t matter for live gigging unless you’re doing weird loop stuff (I don’t even know how to).

I have the 7 - I love it - so light and easy to gig with, does all that I need to do for the different bands I play.


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Re: Yamaha MODX [Re: engineerjoel] #3020566 12/23/19 03:26 AM
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MODX is good, very good. Except for those miserable keys.
So you might as well see it as a great expansion module.

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Originally Posted by Fleer
MODX is good, very good. Except for those miserable keys.
So you might as well see it as a great expansion module.


Do you play piano or synth? They’re fine for me, I’m mostly synth though one band has a lot of piano - i am used to it. Works fine or me, no problems at all playing every note I want to play.

Key feel is very subjective, one likes what one likes. I’d never buy an 80 lb weighted keys board to get a piano feel for gigging. Buyers beware, know what you are buying and what you’re not buying. The keys are what they are, don;’t buy and then bitch.


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Had the MODX8 first but didn’t love the GHS-weighted keybed. Then got the MODX6 but had some issues with uneven keys (and a faulty knob). Still, MODX has amazing sounds, so I’m hoping for a MODXF with better keys (for me) in 2020. Meanwhile, loving the action on my Vox Continentals smile

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Originally Posted by MotiDave
The keys are what they are, don;’t buy and then bitch.


Good point. Although I bought, and then sold because of they keys. I shared my thoughts on the keys just to be helpful to prospective buyers.

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keys are great for me. when I sit down at my Hammond organ I change the way I play and adjust to the very different way you have to play a Hammond(not a clone) due to the feel of the keyboard.

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Originally Posted by Fleer
Had the MODX8 first but didn’t love the GHS-weighted keybed. Then got the MODX6 but had some issues with uneven keys (and a faulty knob). Still, MODX has amazing sounds, so I’m hoping for a MODXF with better keys (for me) in 2020. Meanwhile, loving the action on my Vox Continentals smile


I tried out the MODX8 while waiting for a guy at a GC. I hated it - keys were slow, sluggish, felt like trying to run in mud. It was the 2nd week it was out, not sure if it was an early production issue or if thats just what it is. It certainly wasn’t old.

I like the MODX7, but as noted, I’m used to value-level synth/semi action boards. A lot of it is I love throwing it on my back in a. Backpack, flipping it up onto a stand with one hand, etc - its just really easy for quick stage changes and it has the advanced innards I appreciate.

a lot of the keys impression is whatever you’re used to - if you’re used to better keys, it will bug you. If not - you may not notice or care. No offense to those that don’t like the keys - your opinion is perfectly valid for you.

I doubt there’s a MODXF ... its already out and called Montage. But who knows ... we’ll see eh? Roland reportedly improved keys in the FA-07 (vs 06), it can happen.


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Here’s where I found some info on a (possible) next version:
http://sandsoftwaresound.net/yamaha-modx-inside-stuff/

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Finally had weekend off...and dove into the effects...found Rotary 2 and a preset called Slow and Dirty. Heavily tweaked all of the parameters; speeds, ramp ups, drive, presence and such. Loads of fun! Might take a few more days to tweak it to perfection...who am I kidding; we're forever chasing the perfect tone, right?

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Originally Posted by MotiDave
Originally Posted by Fleer
Had the MODX8 first but didn’t love the GHS-weighted keybed.


I tried out the MODX8 while waiting for a guy at a GC. I hated it - keys were slow, sluggish, felt like trying to run in mud.


I just some quality time with a MODX8.

It sure isn't ideal - but then neither is the current state of my Kronos 73. I suppose I've resigned myself to this basic equation. If:

1) It's gotta have the range of sounds to cover my wedding / corporate gigs, while sounding great doing it.
2) It's gotta have a UI that's easy to navigate quickly
3) It's gotta have a weighted action
4) It's gotta be substantially lighter than the Kronos boat anchor.

I don't have a ton of choices, and I may end up living with the MODX8 action. In a way, it's like "living with" the house piano on those kind of gigs.

What doesn't help my mindset is the next "house piano" gig I have coming up will be on a well-cared for Steinway D. But still, sometimes it's the tired old baby grand at the skilled nursing facility. And we all make do with that from time to time.

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Hey Tim,

I was in a similar situation to you a few months ago. I had the Kronos 2 73 note and it was my main gigging machine. I loved it but it was too damn heavy. I needed something with a broad palette of sounds but much lighter. I knew i'd have to sacrifice something, most probably the action to get what I wanted. When I first tried the MODX8 in a store I really didn't like the keybed. It felt like it bottomed out wayyy too quickly. But it was on a stand at chest level and inclined slightly so not ideal. (I had previous MOX8 and MOXF8 as well and never bonded with the action). When I got a good offer on my Kronos I decided to take the plunge.

Turns out the MODX8 I picked up was fine. Much better than the one I tried in the store. After playing it for a few months now I have no issues with it. Sure it's not up there with the Motif XS/XF 88 note keypads (one of my all time favs) but it's perfectly usable on a gig and I have to say I don't feel that I've sacrificed anything. I've also been looking at the CP73 as a spare board to pair with my iPad. I like the action on that but I really like the footprint. It's akin to the Kronos 73 but without the annoying 6-8 inches of extra length on the left where Korg and Roland always place the pitch and mod wheels. It's truly portable for me, albeit a much smaller range of sounds.

Anyway I'd advise trying the MODX8 in a few places before you decide.


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I agree about trying different MODX8’s because there is some variance. I was very hesitant to buy due to keybed. I found it very sluggish as have some others. What I tried in the store was to change the velocity curve to soft and that helped a lot. When I got mine home I did the same and it made a difference also. Not ideal, but made it more playable for me.


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Originally Posted by timwat
1) It's gotta have the range of sounds to cover my wedding / corporate gigs, while sounding great doing it.
2) It's gotta have a UI that's easy to navigate quickly
3) It's gotta have a weighted action
4) It's gotta be substantially lighter than the Kronos boat anchor.

I don't have a ton of choices, and I may end up living with the MODX8 action.

MODX8 could work, but it seems to me like you do have lots of choices,,, practically every manufacturer makes something that arguably fits the bill, subject to your own judgement about whether it sounds great and has an easy to navigate UI, and how much lighter it needs to be. Options from other brands include Roland DS88/FA08, Korg Grandstage73/Krome/Kross, Kurzweil SP6/PC4, Nord Stage 3-76, Casio PX560, Dexibell P3/S3.


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