suraci Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Identify a popular seventies song ( since forgotten ) that is in a Major Key, yet NOT ONCE has a CHORD ON THE BASS NOTE of THE KEY it clearly delineates!! I always enjoyed this tune, and still do. Key is Bb major. Singer? A Chicago "blues jazz "turned R&B, jingle and pop singer. Not once do you hear a Bb major or minor or Bb anything in this pop/jazzy tune. This always blew my mind when I used to play it, the bridge is a iii7 vi7 ii7 V7 like Perdido and all those Rhythm tunes of the day. It has a V, a IV7, a II7, a III7 , a VI7 etc but no ONE CHORD, amazes me. The difference between what the most and the least learned people know is inexpressibly trivial in relation to that which is unknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suraci Posted November 21, 2006 Author Share Posted November 21, 2006 There is no ambiguity about the key either, like Unforgetable ( which i cannot even spell let alone analyze ) or Stella. The difference between what the most and the least learned people know is inexpressibly trivial in relation to that which is unknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundscape Posted November 21, 2006 Share Posted November 21, 2006 Eh? I know quite a few songs that don't feature the I chord. One has the chorus progression: (IV V iii vi ii) x2 IV V bVII V7 of IV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewall08530 Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 What Becomes of the Broken Hearted is my guess.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzwee Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Suraci, I already saw your answer but you edited it (I realize because you practically gave the answer). So I will not give the answer. I don't know the chord changes to that tune so it would have been impossible to guess. So this is less of a theory question than a "know that tune" kind of question. Hamburg Steinway O, Crumar Mojo, Nord Electro 4 HP 73, EV ZXA1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DafDuc Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 What becomes of the Broken Hearted has a root position I in the verse. And it's from the 60's. And it changes keys between the verse and the chorus. But it was my first guess too, LOL... I played in an 8 piece horn band. We would often get bored. So...three words: "Tower of Polka." - Calumet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DafDuc Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 And Jimmy Ruffin's from Detroit. I played in an 8 piece horn band. We would often get bored. So...three words: "Tower of Polka." - Calumet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 OOOHH child, things are gonna get easier... that song doesn't hit the I chord until the very end and it's so damn nice when it does. It even changes keys back and forth without ambiguity. Check out the trey anastasio live version... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DafDuc Posted November 22, 2006 Share Posted November 22, 2006 Good call, Root, though Ooh Child has a I, it's just in first inversion. Also a key change between verse and chorus. So it fits the general description (I think) but misses a few details - unless suraci's wrong on them? I played in an 8 piece horn band. We would often get bored. So...three words: "Tower of Polka." - Calumet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suraci Posted November 22, 2006 Author Share Posted November 22, 2006 I guess there are a few. There is a Motownish song ( maybe Philadelphia sound ) that I believe has words " When ever you ??... I'll be around" It goes back and forth between the IV and V, starting on IV for a bar then V. It ends on IV. But the song I am teasing you with, goes All over the harmonic map. It uses the familiar harmony of the Bridge to Rhythm Changes, but manages to escape the I !!!!!! A II, a !!! a IV etc, it never hits the one. The difference between what the most and the least learned people know is inexpressibly trivial in relation to that which is unknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 Well it's been a few days, I think we're all stumped. Do tell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundscape Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Er... well, the only one I can think of with those lyrics is... Rick Astley - "Whenever You Need Somebody" Chords from sheet music: E/F# Bm7 E7 E/F# Bm7 E7 G#9 C#m7 F#9 E/F# Bm7 D/E Eb/F Ab/Bb Abmaj7 Bb Ab/Bb Csus4 C Ab/Bb Abmaj7 Bb Ab/Bb C#m7 D#m7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundscape Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 'Singer? A Chicago "blues jazz "turned R&B, jingle and pop singer.' Hmm, well, maybe not, then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Alfredson Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Originally posted by suraci: I guess there are a few. There is a Motownish song ( maybe Philadelphia sound ) that I believe has words " When ever you ??... I'll be around" It goes back and forth between the IV and V, starting on IV for a bar then V. It ends on IV. The Spinners? Keep it greazy! B3tles - Soul Jazz THEO - Prog Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewall08530 Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Ok, time for the answer to this....lol and... Dafduc says "What becomes of the Broken Hearted has a root position I in the verse" And as for my guess, What Becomes of the Broken Hearted. The verse is in Bb and they never hit a Bb or (root I) during the bass. And when they change keys up to C, they never land on a C (root I) either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Originally posted by DafDuc: Good call, Root, though Ooh Child has a I, it's just in first inversion. Also a key change between verse and chorus. So it fits the general description (I think) but misses a few details - unless suraci's wrong on them? I think of that chord as the IIIm. If we're in C, I don't really hear the C note, I hear a B... Actually I'm not listening to it, just going from memory, so maybe I'm off, but I'd definitely call it F Em Dm Gsus4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 How about the Talking heads This Must be the Place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil W Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 'Singer? A Chicago "blues jazz "turned R&B, jingle and pop singer.' - Talking Heads ????!! http://philwbass.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue JC Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Is it Lou Rawls? Maybe "Lady Love"? Everybody's got to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer. W. C. Fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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