ElmerJFudd Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 https://www.gearnews.com/kurzweil-k2061-k2088/ Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 They should probably reconsider ditching the audio interface on this model. 1 Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluMunk Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 You got scooped on this story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 Ah missed that. 1 minute ago, BluMunk said: You got scooped on this story Scoopadooped! Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Schiller Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 So it's a K2000 update?!?!? And not a 61 key K2700??!?! That's ....uh.... odd. But okay sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 7 minutes ago, Franz Schiller said: So it's a K2000 update?!?!? And not a 61 key K2700??!?! That's ....uh.... odd. But okay sure! The number scheme is a mystery as the intention does seem to be K2700 minus audio interface and drum pads. Anything else missing? I’m not sure. How different from a PC4? 1 Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Schiller Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 5 hours ago, ElmerJFudd said: The number scheme is a mystery as the intention does seem to be K2700 minus audio interface and drum pads. Anything else missing? I’m not sure. How different from a PC4? That's a great question. If they want to fill the 61-key hole, why wouldn't they simply make a PC4-61. Maybe the nomenclature bugs me. Why not a K2761? Also, Kurzweil used to have cool sounding names. The K2000 has an impressive air to it. The PC3 or the PC4 sounds good. Even the K2700 has a nice ring to it. The K2061...meh, not so much. I think that as musicians, the way words SOUND to us, is actually important. It's part psychological, and part marketing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Williams Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 6 hours ago, Franz Schiller said: That's a great question. If they want to fill the 61-key hole, why wouldn't they simply make a PC4-61. A PC4-61 would presumably sell for about $1600; A K2700-61 would include a couple of pounds more iron, a wooden side plate, and sell for $2500 for the same amount of engineering effort. I would expect Kurz inc. to go for the higher price. Quote -Tom Williams {First Name} {at} AirNetworking {dot} com PC4-7, PX-5S, AX-Edge, PC361 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 5 hours ago, Tom Williams said: A PC4-61 would presumably sell for about $1600; A K2700-61 would include a couple of pounds more iron, a wooden side plate, and sell for $2500 for the same amount of engineering effort. I would expect Kurz inc. to go for the higher price. It's probably more like: "How many can we sell, at what price, giving us what total profit". If you can sell 5000 PC461s making $100 profit on each that's better than selling 1000 higher-priced K2761s with a $300 markup. Cheers, Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.F.N. Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I really hope these are just handcrafted prototypes, as the design and materials looks terrible! 1 Quote "You live every day. You only die once." Where is Major Tom? - - - - - Band Rig: PC3, HX3 w. B4D, 61SLMkII Other stuff: Prologue 16, KingKORG, Opsix, DM12D, Argon8m, EX5R, Toraiz AS-1, IK Uno, Toraiz SP-16, Erica LXR-02, QY-700, SQ64, Beatstep Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felis Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 On 1/29/2024 at 9:48 AM, ElmerJFudd said: The number scheme is a mystery as the intention does seem to be K2700 minus audio interface and drum pads. Anything else missing? I’m not sure. How different from a PC4? I think they kind of painted themselves into a corner for naming. Different keyboard and case from the PC4 (I think), and missing stuff from the K2700, so to call it either one of those would have people complaining. They should have made a PC461 and a K2761. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delaware Dave Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 On 1/30/2024 at 4:55 AM, stoken6 said: It's probably more like: "How many can we sell, at what price, giving us what total profit". If you can sell 5000 PC461s making $100 profit on each that's better than selling 1000 higher-priced K2761s with a $300 markup. Cheers, Mike. That's how many products are determined. No big secret there. 1 Quote 57 Hammond B3; 69 Hammond L100P; 68 Leslie 122; Kurzweil Forte7 & PC3; M-Audio Code 61; Voce V5+; Neo Vent; EV ELX112P; GSI Gemini & Burn Delaware Dave Exit93band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABECK Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 3 hours ago, Delaware Dave said: That's how many products are determined. No big secret there. I'll add to that, the process of customer segmentation. No manufacturer wants to cannibalize their sales by selling a $1500 product to someone who will spend $2500. Ideally any manufacturer wants to maximize potential sales within each segment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felis Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 On 3/18/2024 at 5:12 PM, J.F.N. said: I really hope these are just handcrafted prototypes, as the design and materials looks terrible! I didn't want to be the first to say it, but I agree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.F.N. Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 I mean, look at their normally very smooth well designed hardware interface, this has to got to be NAMM rush work with the 3D-printer on max speed... Quote "You live every day. You only die once." Where is Major Tom? - - - - - Band Rig: PC3, HX3 w. B4D, 61SLMkII Other stuff: Prologue 16, KingKORG, Opsix, DM12D, Argon8m, EX5R, Toraiz AS-1, IK Uno, Toraiz SP-16, Erica LXR-02, QY-700, SQ64, Beatstep Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Weiser Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 On 3/19/2024 at 8:22 PM, felis said: I didn't want to be the first to say it, but I agree. My friends at R&D told me that these were in fact hand built prototypes. Based on how the PC4 and K27 turned out, I'm optimistic that these new units will look cool when they're released. 5 Quote https://www.theboywhowantedtorock.com http://www.weisersound.com https://www.facebook.com/weisersound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.F.N. Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 I can imagine, it looks like parts from K2700 meets 3d-printing to "Look it's a new machine", in a non designer worked through way. Looking forward to see how the new ones turns out, and what feature sets, I am in the market come 6 months down the road, for another Kurzweil, as for now the votes are on the K2700 as the mother of everything home in the studio, and then keep my PC3 for band/live activitives, leaving it in the rehearsal room etc. Quote "You live every day. You only die once." Where is Major Tom? - - - - - Band Rig: PC3, HX3 w. B4D, 61SLMkII Other stuff: Prologue 16, KingKORG, Opsix, DM12D, Argon8m, EX5R, Toraiz AS-1, IK Uno, Toraiz SP-16, Erica LXR-02, QY-700, SQ64, Beatstep Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxcvbnm098 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 I will reiterate my hope that they do a 73 version as well, although it doesn't seem that that will happen....:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delaware Dave Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 3 hours ago, zxcvbnm098 said: I will reiterate my hope that they do a 73 version as well, although it doesn't seem that that will happen....:( I cant think of one 73 keybed that kurzweil has. they've had several 76 key in the arsenal over time (PC3, Artis, PC4-7 and several others). Quote 57 Hammond B3; 69 Hammond L100P; 68 Leslie 122; Kurzweil Forte7 & PC3; M-Audio Code 61; Voce V5+; Neo Vent; EV ELX112P; GSI Gemini & Burn Delaware Dave Exit93band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analogholic Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 The only things as far I can see (atm) that differ from PC4 according to specs are: Resculpted K2000 synth library Compatible with K2 era libraries and "Customizable algorithms" ??? Weren´t they always? Or does this maybe mean that we finally get those missing algorithms from the old K-series? Quote All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxcvbnm098 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 3 hours ago, Delaware Dave said: I cant think of one 73 keybed that kurzweil has. they've had several 76 key in the arsenal over time (PC3, Artis, PC4-7 and several others). Sorry, meant 76. Sheesh.....I even have an Artis 7...and still typed 73...:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean M. H. Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 47 minutes ago, analogholic said: The only things as far I can see (atm) that differ from PC4 according to specs are: Resculpted K2000 synth library Compatible with K2 era libraries and "Customizable algorithms" ??? Weren´t they Also: Built-in ribbon controller Internal Power Supply (Maybe?... probably?) Different action ...but yeah...as I said in the other thread about these boards: so far it seems like this it fills a gap (between the PC4 and the K2700) that wasn't large enough to need filling in the first place IMO. But who knows...maybe the Kurz folks still have some surprises in store for us with these models...or maybe the pricing will make it all make sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Williams Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 18 hours ago, zxcvbnm098 said: Sorry, meant 76. Sheesh.....I even have an Artis 7...and still typed 73...:( The Rhodes is strong in this one... 1 Quote -Tom Williams {First Name} {at} AirNetworking {dot} com PC4-7, PX-5S, AX-Edge, PC361 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxcvbnm098 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 2 hours ago, Tom Williams said: The Rhodes is strong in this one... Or more likely the Nord Electro 73 I also own...although in the Before Times I did have a 73 Rhodes. But of course I was only 4 years old then.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YashN Posted Sunday at 06:31 PM Share Posted Sunday at 06:31 PM For hand built prototypes, these look insanely great already! Quote Kurzweil K2500XS + KDFX, Roland: JX-3P, JX-8P, Korg: Polysix, DW-8000, Alesis Micron, DIY Analogue Modular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.F.N. Posted Sunday at 06:32 PM Share Posted Sunday at 06:32 PM And still no news... Quote "You live every day. You only die once." Where is Major Tom? - - - - - Band Rig: PC3, HX3 w. B4D, 61SLMkII Other stuff: Prologue 16, KingKORG, Opsix, DM12D, Argon8m, EX5R, Toraiz AS-1, IK Uno, Toraiz SP-16, Erica LXR-02, QY-700, SQ64, Beatstep Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Weiser Posted Sunday at 09:32 PM Share Posted Sunday at 09:32 PM 2 hours ago, J.F.N. said: And still no news... The latest I've heard from my friends at Kurz R&D: They hope to release by early fall, possibly earlier. The 61 will have a Fatar TP9, and the 88 will have a TP40L (same as K27). Both units will have an internal power supply and built in ribbon. They've said that the sound set will include old K2000 programs and will be synth-heavy. Otherwise the spec will be just about the same as PC4 - polyphony, sample memory, MIDI control, etc. Note I no longer work for Kurz and don't speak for them. This is just what I've heard - the ETA could change. Hopefully we'll get some more official news from Kurz over the summer. 6 2 Quote https://www.theboywhowantedtorock.com http://www.weisersound.com https://www.facebook.com/weisersound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YashN Posted Sunday at 11:31 PM Share Posted Sunday at 11:31 PM Thanks for the info, Dave. This is looking good indeed: synth sounds orientation, synth touch, Cascade Mode, Dynamic Mode, DX7 FM Algs, and also one thing not mentioned often enough: the insane work done on improving Arps in between the K2600 and the CP3 and onward. I do have some doubts: I don't think we'll see Live Mode come back here (from the K25xxS and K26xxS era), but if we do, that would be AMAZING. Also amazing would be the incorporation of the Vocoder, but here again, not sure that will happen. Some people want the Sampling ability, but for me that is less important nowadays since we can load user samples from the computer, which definitely seems to be in the specs list so far. Give us good SysEx docs too. All in all, I hope this makes a big splash with the synth-orientation: more people will demo the synth sounds of new V.A.S.T... There seems to be at least one whole generation of people who don't know the abilities of this platform as a Synth-builder or Multi-Effects-builder! I feel things are about to change. Quote Kurzweil K2500XS + KDFX, Roland: JX-3P, JX-8P, Korg: Polysix, DW-8000, Alesis Micron, DIY Analogue Modular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxcvbnm098 Posted yesterday at 03:18 AM Share Posted yesterday at 03:18 AM Dave, do you think Kurz has abandoned 76 key versions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.F.N. Posted yesterday at 11:43 AM Share Posted yesterday at 11:43 AM 8 hours ago, zxcvbnm098 said: Dave, do you think Kurz has abandoned 76 key versions? I was thinking the same, I guess we will have to wait and see.. I am about to source a Forte 7, there are still stores here in Europe with it in stock, so it'd definitely be interesting to know.. Quote "You live every day. You only die once." Where is Major Tom? - - - - - Band Rig: PC3, HX3 w. B4D, 61SLMkII Other stuff: Prologue 16, KingKORG, Opsix, DM12D, Argon8m, EX5R, Toraiz AS-1, IK Uno, Toraiz SP-16, Erica LXR-02, QY-700, SQ64, Beatstep Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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