Baldwin Funster Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 It's amazing what he plays and doesn't play even though he could play anything. No arppeggiator I assume. Enjoy. 8 Quote FunMachine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWkeys Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Awesome, thanks for sharing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Gauss Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 hey i wasn't there, and i haven't listened to Yes in decades, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that hyper fast synth intro was recorded at half speed (7.5ips) then sped up back to normal speed (15ips). (much like the beatles "hard days night" solo or lotsa lindsey buckingham stuff). Considering, iirc, that record was a recorded and punched in bar by bar, hundreds of spliced together bits by eddy offord, nightmare to make, i'd say the odds are good. just to be clear, i love that record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Didn't Rick play the opening on B3 live? Sounds like a Mini in this recording. Wonder why he made the choice he did.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABECK Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 The polysynth stuff around 5:30 sounds great, as do the Mellotron strings. Haunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 50 minutes ago, D. Gauss said: hey i wasn't there, and i haven't listened to Yes in decades, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that hyper fast synth intro was recorded at half speed (7.5ips) then sped up back to normal speed (15ips) 31 minutes ago, Tusker said: Didn't Rick play the opening on B3 live? Sounds like a Mini in this recording. It's certainly playable at full speed, and yes, minimoog. There was a thread about it at https://forums.musicplayer.com/topic/171517-close-to-the-edge-opening-ostinato-instrument/ (where I actually demonstrated playing it with the Minimoog app). 1 1 Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Hey Scott, that's great. Beautifully spotted and demonstrated. Thank you. 👍 So why is it that in this 1972 video, he's already doing it on the B3? I've never performed this live, and the only idea I have is that maybe there were other roles the Minis needed to play in the song (with different settings)? I have no clue. If anybody knows, that person would be on this forum I should think? 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Emm Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Fascinating. Its a solid reminder of how even modest parts all help to make a song. What a memory Rick has! By contrast, mine has all the weight of the faux coffee stain on the first M-Tron. 1 Quote "Well, the 60s were fun, but now I'm payin' for it." ~ Stan Lee, "Ant-Man and the Wasp" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 6 hours ago, Tusker said: So why is it that in this 1972 video, he's already doing it on the B3? I've never performed this live, and the only idea I have is that maybe there were other roles the Minis needed to play in the song (with different settings)? Yeah, I'd say either he wanted his available Minimoogs set up for other sounds coming up later in the song (they had no presets), or maybe he just decided he preferred the sound of doing it on the organ, e.g. felt that sound worked better, at least in the context of their playing it live. 1 Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wineandkeyz Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 22 hours ago, D. Gauss said: hey i wasn't there, and i haven't listened to Yes in decades, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that hyper fast synth intro was recorded at half speed (7.5ips) then sped up back to normal speed (15ips). (much like the beatles "hard days night" solo or lotsa lindsey buckingham stuff). Considering, iirc, that record was a recorded and punched in bar by bar, hundreds of spliced together bits by eddy offord, nightmare to make, i'd say the odds are good. just to be clear, i love that record. You could be right, but Wakeman can (could?) definitely shred. Check out the riffs he throws down starting around 2:37. 1 Quote Live: Yamaha S70XS (#1); Roland Jupiter-80; Mackie 1202VLZ4; IEMs or Traynor K4 Home: Hammond SK Pro 73; Moog Minimoog Voyager Electric Blue; Yamaha S70XS (#2); Roland Integra-7; Wurlitzer 200A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Gauss Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 23 minutes ago, wineandkeyz said: You could be right, but Wakeman can (could?) definitely shred. yeah my point wasn't about the "shred" factor (we know rick could play fast), but more about the actual sound. it sounds cartoony to me. sped up. listen the the OP's video on youtube with the playback speed (YT settings) at .75 percent and it sounds much more "normal" to me. given that it's pretty much common knowledge (multiple articles mention the fact) that the nature sound loops at the very beginning were sped up, it isn't too much of a stretch to arrive at this part being sped up for effect as well. again, i wasn't there and this is only opinion/speculation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old No7 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 38 minutes ago, wineandkeyz said: ...Wakeman can (could?) definitely shred. Check out the riffs he throws down starting around 2:37. Yes! YES! Check out how he shakes his right hand and trills the fingers while "off the keyboard" before he launches into that high-speed riff. I've done something similar, especially before playing a piece like Foreplay or Hoedown. Old No7 1 Quote Yamaha MODX6 * Hammond SK Pro 73 * Roland Fantom-08 * Crumar Mojo Pedals * Mackie Thump 12As * Tascam DP-24SD * JBL 305 MkIIs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldwin Funster Posted November 14, 2023 Author Share Posted November 14, 2023 I doubt Rick Wakeman would consider for 1 second slowing down tape to get a part. His friendly rivalry with K Emerson and J Lord and personal pride would never allow that. Could you imagine the ribbing? Hey Keith did you slow down tape to record karnevil #9? you mean like you did for closer to the edge Rick? No way. Quote FunMachine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finale Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 I think the recording is self-explanatory. Obvious slight rhythmic imperfections show it was done in real-time. Also, since playing at that speed on a mono synth can easily lead up to some erratic envelope triggering, it likely explains why Mr Wakeman later chose a more docile instrument like his Hammond organ for that part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan May Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Rick Wakeman used dozens of effects on his keyboards, he used a wah pedal and a Leslie speaker (presumably for his Hammond B3 organ) and fed it all through Fender amps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteinwayB Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 How did he get the pipe organ sound at 11:00? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldwin Funster Posted November 14, 2023 Author Share Posted November 14, 2023 24 minutes ago, SteinwayB said: How did he get the pipe organ sound at 11:00? I believe the story is they rented a cathedral with a pipe organ for that part. 1 Quote FunMachine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analogman1 Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 I think what the masters (Rick Wakeman, Keith Emerson, Tony Banks and Jon Lord) demonstrated was a balance of virtuosity and restraint when needed. Today, someone just shreds aimlessly and it’s considered “epic”. 3 Quote Tom Nord Electro 5D, Modal Cobalt 8, Yamaha upright piano, numerous plug-ins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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