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Originally posted by Tedster:

Originally posted by pbognar:

I agree with the people who said that half the Beatle tunes fall into that category - they were a pop band, and even though they could rock, they weren't a rock band.

 

I agree with ya, Pete, but, mainly in today's context. When they first came out, they were very much a rock band (as defined by the music of the day). And a pop band. And I guess that's what I'm getting at is that, for instance, both Burt Bacharach and Robert Plant can do "pop"...but, you wouldn't classify all of Plant's catalog as "pop". Just kinda interesting to note. I guess in a way, I'd define "pop" in one of those high school algebra "Venn diagrams" as the mutual subset of all (or most) genres of music.
Point well taken, but then we COULD include Hendrix and Zepplin in the pop category. I remember hearing "The Immigrant Song" on AM radio in the early 70's...

 

Also, my theory of pop song construction fell apart once I thought about it - eg. "Who Let The Dogs Out" or "Bang On The Drum All Day"...

 

I guess there is a reason they call it pop(ular) - it's a consensus thing, unfortunately sometimes forced down our throats by Clear Channel and the like.

 

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Originally posted by Tedster:

At the risk of sounding like a nimrod, "Wichita Lineman" ranks up there with my favorite songs of all time. So, I'm a nimrod. Ya wanna make something of it? :D

 

Here's a real oldie from the big band era that I like too, for some odd reason..."The Sunny Side Of The Street". I think because it just reminds me of my childhood. Aw, gee, pop, what a swell song!

I wouldn't say it's my all time favorite, but I'll place myself in the nimrod catagory just for liking Glenn's songs mentioned above :)

 

I'd like to add:

 

Seal - Crazy

 

John Cougar Mellencamp - Scarecrow

 

and even though it's not "pop"

Tom Petty - There's been a change

If this one comes on when I'm parking the car I'm making a couple more trips around the block!

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Boy, some more great suggestions!

 

Bacharach - pretty much anything. I have to agree with that, but especially Walk On By.

 

Elvis Costello - Alison. Yup, and add Man Out Of Time, Every Day I Write The Book, Clubland, What's So FUnny About Peace, Love & Understanding (another Nick Lowe penned tune), and too many more to list.

 

I was going to add Buddy Holly to my list, but someone beat me to it. :)

 

Al Green - Let's Stay Together? R&B doesn't get much better. Reverend Al RAWKS.

 

How about Gladys? Midnight Train To Georgia? Yum.

 

Midnight Oil? Yup - and let's add "Forgotten Years" to the list.

 

Did someone say "Cheap Trick" - I Want YOU to Want ME. Or, even better, California Man. :cool:

 

Seal? Yes - "No Easy Way" still kills me every time I hear it. Oh to be able to work on something that good!

 

How could I have missed American Pie? An all time classic. One of my favorite songs of all time.

 

Jimmy Webb wrote some amazing songs, and I have to agree with Wichita Linemen and the other Webb songs listed.

 

Sweet? Yeah, I dug 'em in Jr Hi... so sue me. Let's add Ballroom Blitz.

 

FOW - I have to agree with Mexican Wine. I bought the CD at the local Virgin megastore and walked out to my truck and plopped it in, only to be greeted by this powerpop masterpiece. I was blown away from the very first listen. Let's also add Fire Island and All Kinds Of Time from the same album.

 

Here's one that had a big impact on me when it was released (1969?) - Stevie Wonder My Cherie Amour. There may be a lot of "cooler" Stevie songs, but they don't come any more melodic and beautiful than that.

 

Pretenders? I'll always love Kid.

 

The Knack - My Sharona? Oh YEAH - I DEFINITELY "get" the Knack. ;)

 

Joining a Fan Club - Jellyfish? Yeaaaahh!!! Let's just say the entire second record (Spilt Milk) - one of my all time favorite albums.

 

Eternal Flame - Bangles? Yeah... good call.

 

To Sir With Love - ? I forget - a woman's name Lulu? It was a good movie too.

 

A couple of people mentioned Harry Nilsson - my favorite tune of his is probably Without Her... not to be confused with the Badfinger tune he covered (Without You), which is also a classic.

 

Speaking of Badfinger - Come And Get It is a classic McCartney penned (and produced) pop masterpiece... and Baby Blue and Day After Day have to be mentioned. And I'd be thrown out of the powerpop lover's annual convention if I didn't mention No Matter What. A great band that suffered far too much tragedy.

 

Okay, that's enough for now... I'll probably mention more later.

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Originally posted by pbognar:

Would you agree that it is harder to write / arrange a great pop tune than a great rock tune?

 

Regarding pop tunes, you can't go by just the "turn it up" factor - I do that with "Purple Haze" everytime I hear it, but I don't consider it to be a pop tune.

 

In a great pop tune, the structure, lyrics, arrangement, mix, and sometimes production etc. all come into play.

 

Pete

Hey Pete, I think this deserves its own thread, so if it's okay with you, I'd like to borrow this and toss it up over on the Project Studio thread. Maybe generate a little discussion regarding arranging...
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Originally posted by pbognar:

Would you agree that it is harder to write / arrange a great pop tune than a great rock tune?

 

Regarding pop tunes, you can't go by just the "turn it up" factor - I do that with "Purple Haze" everytime I hear it, but I don't consider it to be a pop tune.

 

In a great pop tune, the structure, lyrics, arrangement, mix, and sometimes production etc. all come into play.

 

I agree with the people who said that half the Beatle tunes fall into that category - they were a pop band, and even though they could rock, they weren't a rock band.

Well I would say that Pop is not a genre at all, it is a classification. Any style of music can be Pop, it just has to be really popular.

 

I would definitely consider 'Purple Haze' Pop as well as Rock, for example.

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Originally posted by LiveMusic:

Power of Love, Huey Lewis

 

Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye, The Casinos (except Neal McCoy's version is far better)

 

You Really Got Me, Kinks

 

That's Alright Mama, Elvis

Yeah the KINKS.

How could we leave them out?

"All day and all of the night" is the other one.

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Somehow, this thread seemed to veer off track. Or else it just proves that "pop" means something different to everyone.

 

to me, "pop" music is called that in the way some people would differentiate between "hard" liquor and soda "pop". "Pop" music, to me, was always catchy in the beat, harmless in it's approach, lacking in "meat", "drive", "groove" and "balls". Cheezy stuff that for a while was called "bubblegum" due to it's wide appeal to pre-adolescents. Many of the tunes put up here do NOT fall into this category. Most DO, however. For the youngsters(GAWD, did THAT sound like Ed Sullivan!)there was a period of time from '67 to about '73 when AM and FM both had plenty of music stations. AM were the stations that played the tunes that were too lame for the progressive and once-called "underground" rock music that them "hippies" listened to on FM. In other words, "pop" music.

 

Some of the tunes put up are bona fide ROCK tunes, and cannot be fairly listed in a thread about "pop". To illustrate, I'll list some from that period.

 

"One, Two, Three Red Light"/1910 Fruitgum Co.

"Yummy, Yummy, Yummy"/Ohio Express

"Summer Rain"/Johnny Rivers

"Arizona"/Mark Lidsay, I think...

"Dizzy"/Tommy Roe

"Cherish"/Assotiation

"Sugar Sugar"/The Archies

"Ben"/Michael Jackson

"Crimson And Clover"/Tommy James&The Shondells

 

Hey, Ted! Listened to "The Big 8" a lot myself. Thanks for the trip down memory lane!

 

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I could list hundreds of technically good ones, so I'll list one that stands out from the crowd.

 

Baby Got Back, by Sir Mix-a-lot

 

The follow up single was also cool. You have to see the videos to fully appreciate them, though.

The Black Knight always triumphs!

 

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what about hotel california - eagles?

and you and i - yes

river - joni mitchell

hysteria - def lepperd

black cow - steely dan

kyle's mom is a bitch - cartman (southpark) - it is freakin' hilarious.

she's a beauty - tubes

little fighter - white lion

headed for a heartbreak - winger

rough boy - zz top

matters of the heart - michael mcdonald

new york minute - don henley

luck of the draw - bonnie raitt

avenging annie - andy pratt

geez, there's a lot of 'em...

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windows to the soul - steve vai (it's in 11/8 - the drum part kicks ass, not to mention vai's guitar)

sailing to philadelphia - mark knopfler

40,000 headmen - blood, sweat and tears

new york state of mind - billy joel

power of love - rick springfield

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The Night Chicago Died had more gimmicks, schtick, musical quotations, production tricks and sound effects than any song since Spike Jones packed it in.

 

That's the kind of criteria you all use, too, isn't it?

 

 

 

[OK, OK. How about Dusty Springfield doing The Look of Love? That makes me pretty weak in the knees even decades later...]

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If the definition of "pop" and "rock" can blend when they hit the "mass media"... and if the criteria is that I get the urge to "turn it up" when they hit my radio...

 

Then I can add these to the list.

 

Jane - Starship

Carry on my Wayward Son - Kansas

More than a Feeling - Boston

Wheel in the Sky - Journey

Sweet Emotion - Aerosmith

Ride Like the Wind - Christopher Cross

Don't Take Me Alive - Steely Dan

Owner of a Lonely Heart - Yes

Livin' on a Prayer - Bon Jovi

Born To Run - Springsteen

Smoke on the Water - Deep Purple

You Really Got Me - Van Halen

Breakdown - Tom Petty

Crossfire - SRV

Little Bit of Sympathy - Robin Trower

We're an American Band - Grand Funk Railroad

Born to be Wild - Steppinwolf

Mississippi Queen - Mountain

Don't Fear the Reaper - Blue Oyster Cult

 

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Perfect Pop tune or Perfect Pop Marketing either way it's a category some of my faves fit in even though some of the are a little obscure by top 40 radio standards

 

Lisa Loeb - Stay

McKinley - Lucky Child

Duncan Sheik - That Says It All

Lyle Lovett - North Dakota

Shawn Colvin - When Sunny Came Home

5440 - One Gun

XTC - Louder Than Bombs

Joe Jackson - Steppin' Out

Cibo Matto - Sugar Water

David Bowie - Space Odditty

John Prine - Angel From Montgomery

Lenny Kravitz - Let Love Rule

Neil Young - Heart of Gold

Peter Gabriel - Sledgehammer

The Producers - She Sheila

Rod Stewert - Maggie May

Steelers Wheel - Stuck in the Middle With You

dare I follow that with

Sheryl Crow - All I Wanna Do

Stan Ridgway - Drive

The Police - Roxanne

Camper VanBeethovan - Jack Ruby

Pixies - Here Comes Your Man

Thomas Dolby - My Brain Is Like A Sieve

Everclear - AM Radio

Tom Tom Club - Measure Up

Madness - Our House

Emmy Lou Harris - Where Will I Be

English Beat - Mirror in the Bathroom

Beck - I'm a Loser

Crowded House - Fall at Your Feet

Talking Heads - Burning Down the House

 

Sorry this is such a damn long list but these are just a few of my "Pop" faves.

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Wow! I actually have a couple no one's posted, unless my eyes are catching up to my mind (going, that is...)

 

Barenaked Ladies: "It's All Been Done" and "One Week" IMHO this band is doing some of the catchiest, hookiest, tastiest pop out there.

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Originally posted by Stephen Fortner:

Wow! I actually have a couple no one's posted, unless my eyes are catching up to my mind (going, that is...)

 

Barenaked Ladies: "It's All Been Done" and "One Week" IMHO this band is doing some of the catchiest, hookiest, tastiest pop out there.

I'm a fan, took the whole family to see them here last week, but hesitated putting them on the list. There are a few songs on their latest album that seem influenced by XTC, who have been frequently mentioned here.

 

My picks from BnL for this list would be "Jane" and "Brian Wilson".

 

(How ironic is this: a few years ago, I saw Brian Wilson play a cover of "Brian Wilson".)

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Originally posted by Anderton:

Well we all know of at least one or two pop songs that when they come on the radio, you want to turn them up...what are your favorites?

 

Belinda Carlisle's "Heaven is a Place on Earth" comes close, but the bridge seems a little forced. The Hooters' "And We Danced" is really pretty cool, compact writing, good performances.

 

I guess I'd have to give a real thumbs-up to Cyndi Lauper's "Time after Time." Hell, if it's good enough for Miles Davis...come to think of it, the Scritti Politti song he covered was pretty close to perfect pop too.

 

There are others, but...what are YOUR faves?

All of your suggestions are great and definitely in my top bracket... but I'd add pretty much an radio single from Madonna as best pop songs. No Doubt is a great, edgier pop flava too!

 

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