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[hurricane hugo]

seriously wtf

 

 

[Winston Psmith]

16 hours ago, hurricane hugo said:

seriously wtf

 

 

 

These are the same people who make that alleged Theremin Pedal we were talking about not long ago. Apparently, mounting pedal effects into toy cars is their thing.

 

I have to agree with the reviewer, at best, these are novelty items. You can't really fit them onto a Pedalboard, and rolling wheels don't exactly make for a stable live rig, either. Like those old cartoons where somebody steps on one loose skate and . . . ZOOM---

[Caevan O’Shite]

56 minutes ago, Winston Psmith said:

 

These are the same people who make that alleged Theremin Pedal we were talking about not long ago. Apparently, mounting pedal effects into toy cars is their thing.

 

I have to agree with the reviewer, at best, these are novelty items. You can't really fit them onto a Pedalboard, and rolling wheels don't exactly make for a stable live rig, either. Like those old cartoons where somebody steps on one loose skate and . . . ZOOM---

I agree, overall. Though I like them, too! At least from what I hear in the video. They're not all that practical, but if I had money to burn, I might add them to a collection of things 'n stuff if I had a collection of things 'n stuff like that... ehr... you know what I mean...

It's not the first time that such pedals have been built into model cars and the like, I've seen a few in photos posted online over the years. I  think most have been one-off specimens, though, not limited production runs.

[Caevan O’Shite]

 

[Winston Psmith]

"I Am The Lizard King, I Can Do Anything . . ."

 

Okay, maybe they couldn't use Lizard King because, IDK? I tried to watch it all, but I finally just wanted to hear the pedal. It does have a Muff+Octave kind of sound, they definitely got that.

 

One thing I remember from visiting the EHX offices back in the 70's, when they were working on the Frequency Analyzer Ring Mod: They had tons of those blank Big Muff-style enclosures, with three holes for control knobs on top, and one hole for the switch, so pretty much any pedal they designed had to work with that configuration. (The hole for an indicator light was a slightly later addition.) In that regard, the Lizard Queen stays true to the aesthetics of mid-70's EHX gear.

[Caevan O’Shite]

4 hours ago, Winston Psmith said:

...but I finally just wanted to hear the pedal. It does have a Muff+Octave kind of sound, they definitely got that.

I know what you mean- but I hung in there, 'nerd factor', I guess- they went to great lengths to do everything as if they'd crashed their time-machine in '74 and had to make this pedal to get back (or, perhaps, to stay... ?).

I do wish they'd spent more time demonstrating the pedal, particularly various combinations of its Balance and Octave blend controls.

And I really want this pedal!

[Winston Psmith]

Yes, lots of time wasted talking about the process, when they could have been presenting the product. I feel like they had more fun making the video than most of us will have watching it . . .

[Caevan O’Shite]

Hmn, this apparently came out in 2019 or so... ? But I hadn't heard of it till just now, it's news to me. It made me think, "This has Winston and Harvey written ALL OVER it... " 🙃
 

 

[Winston Psmith]

It's 270 British Pounds (didn't see a price in $$$?), and it's out of stock. Probably a good thing, for my sake . . . I love devices that de-construct your signal.

[hurricane hugo]

Not a new pedal, and maybe stepping over a forum line, but these guys are from Latvia, an 8-hour drive from the Ukrainian border. Anyway, good on them.

 

[Caevan O’Shite]

21 minutes ago, hurricane hugo said:

Not a new pedal, and maybe stepping over a forum line, but these guys [Gamechanger Audio] are from Latvia, an 8-hour drive from the Ukrainian border. Anyway, good on them.

Damn; if I could right now, I'd love to buy a Plus Pedal...

[Dannyalcatraz]

On 3/1/2022 at 11:21 PM, Caevan OShite said:

Hmn, this apparently came out in 2019 or so... ? But I hadn't heard of it till just now, it's news to me. It made me think, "This has Winston and Harvey written ALL OVER it... " 🙃
 

 

Here’s another video that has more talky-talk about how it works, and what it does.

 

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

11 hours ago, hurricane hugo said:

Not a new pedal, and maybe stepping over a forum line, but these guys are from Latvia, an 8-hour drive from the Ukrainian border. Anyway, good on them.

 

Might be time to get that Plasma Coil…

[hurricane hugo]

this is amazing

 

 

[Caevan O’Shite]

44 minutes ago, hurricane hugo said:

this is amazing

 

 

Mostly not a pedal for me- primarily because I- ehr, dislike the sound of upward digital pitch-shifting and octaves, which seem to feature largely here...

But I am glad you like that and I hope you get and immensely enjoy one, Hugo!

[Scott Fraser]

1 hour ago, Caevan OShite said:

Mostly not a pedal for me- primarily because I- ehr, dislike the sound of upward digital pitch-shifting and octaves, which seem to feature largely here...
 

 

Exactly. First sound out of the gate I said to myself, "Chipmunks." 

[Winston Psmith]

First off, I LOVE Pitch Shifters, and this thing looks impressive. (I also follow the woman doing the demo on FB.)

 

In fairness to the product, it's clear that you can create downward Pitch Shift effects with it, as well, but for the purposes of this demo video, we're hearing a LOT of upwards Pitch Shifting. That could just be a matter of user preference, but I'd really like to hear some dense down-shifted tones, as well.

 

Looking at the display on the pedal, you can see that one or more of the Pitch Shifted voices are set to +24, two octaves above the input signal's original pitch. I know that "Shimmer" effects are popular, but I would expect a Pitch Shift device like this to be able to generate complex chord structures and dense harmonies, as well? Again, it could be just a matter of user preference, but I'd like to hear more of what the box can do, and I expect it can do more than we're hearing in this demo.

 

Watching this makes me want to power up my Studio 5000 (4-voice Pitch Shifter, plus MFX), which isn't a bad project for a rainy day. 

[Caevan O’Shite]

It isn't pitch-shifting or octave (up, down, sub) that I dislike- I love, or can and sometimes love those things!- it's the chirpy, flinty, tinny, fake and cheap sound of most (all?) upward digital pitch-shifting, like those gadawful horrid POG and HOG and Whammy pedals and "shimmer" reverb... Everybody and their cubic-zirconia encrusted monkey sounds alike with that crap (especially shimmer reverb). Hearing those is like being forced to do a rectal cavity search on a robot fueled by autotune while wearing bad hearing-aids.

Somehow, downward digital pitch-shifting, octave-down and sub-octave down maneuvers seem less displeasing, even good. And of course, I absolutely LOVE analog octave-fuzz whether it's up, down or double-down... ! An entirely different animal. My overall favorite dirt-category pedal is the Foxrox Octron, and I have more octave-fuzz pedals than any other type or category of pedals...

[Winston Psmith]

Having taken a look at the Manual online, it seems that the Fever Pitch will allow you to generate Pitch Shifted tones +/-2 Octaves: that gives you a 4-Octave range for each Pitch-Shifted voice. That's a LOT of room to move, so I have to wonder why we aren't hearing more complex harmonies, or even some One-Finger Chords? With four voices available, and 4 Octaves to move around in, your input signal doesn't have to be the Root of a Chord, so you can also build some interesting  Chord Inversions.

 

Among other questions, I had to go look at the User Manual, to see if the MOD & Delay effects were positioned after the Pitch Shifter, and they are. It doesn't appear that you can add Delay + Regeneration to the Pitch Shift effect, which is an unfortunate omission, IMHO: I often use Pitch Shift with Regeneration to generate Cascade Pitch Shifting, and Barber-Pole Flanging.

 

 

[hurricane hugo]

180 degrees in the opposite direction, a review of what has to be the nastiest, meanest distortion pedal I've ever heard:  https://www.premierguitar.com/gear/reviews/frost-giant-architect-of-reality

[Caevan O’Shite]

1 hour ago, hurricane hugo said:

180 degrees in the opposite direction, a review of what has to be the nastiest, meanest distortion pedal I've ever heard:  https://www.premierguitar.com/gear/reviews/frost-giant-architect-of-reality

Pretty cool. But I'd still stack my Octron into it... 😎

[Winston Psmith]

In the "Everything Old Is New Again" category, I give you the Line 6 DL4 MKII

 

Not sure I love the look of it, for some reason? Having listened to some of the demo sounds, I'm also not sure I need to buy another DL4 to get the added Delay models. OTOH, it seems that the original is about to become extinct, so . . .

 

I have one of the first generation, U.S.-made DL4's, and it's never failed me. Later import models apparently had serious issues with the footswitches being mounted directly to the PCB boards, which often broke under pressure.* While there have been other Delay/Loopers that improved on the concept behind the DL4, I don't know that any were ever as popular, nor as ubiquitous.

 

The original big green DL4 is a mainstay for Electronic Musicians, as much as for Guitarists. I also see a lot of the big blue Akai E2 Headrush Delay/Loopers.

 

*There's a way to tell the 1st Gen models from the later imports. The 1st Gen models have the Line 6 logo as part of the metal chassis, while on the import models, it's a badge glued in place. Less sure about the apparent difference in shades of green between the 2 photos, although I suspect lighting may be the culprit.

[Caevan O’Shite]

5 minutes ago, Winston Psmith said:

have one of the first generation, U.S.-made DL4's, and it's never failed me. Later import models apparently had serious issues with the footswitches being mounted directly to the PCB boards, which often broke under pressure.*

*There's a way to tell the 1st Gen models from the later imports. The 1st Gen models have the Line 6 logo as part of the metal chassis, while on the import models, it's a badge glued in place.

                            
       

I did not know that! Any of that. Good information, thanks!
                 
   
 

[Winston Psmith]

@Caevan - There are also a couple of import series. The first generation was U.S.-made, followed by imports from Malaysia, then finally China; IDK if there was yet another, interim manufacturing base. I started hearing about broken circuit boards with the first import models.

 

I would be more interested in seeing an FM4 Filter Modeler MKII. The Filter Modeler was somewhat more interesting, and more bizarre, than the Delay Modeler, Distortion Modeler, or Modulation Modeler, all of which relied heavily on models of Vintage effects.

 

You can find ALL of the original models from all 4 of the original Modeler pedals in the M5 and M9; apparently the larger-format M13 has already been discontinued.

[Scott Fraser]

27 minutes ago, Winston Psmith said:

In the "Everything Old Is New Again" category, I give you the Line 6 DL4 MKII

Always sounded good to me when I recorded people using them, but the switches are (were?) very loud, acoustically. So recording in a room with other acoustic musicians this box always wrecked everybody else's tracks when switching loops & presets. Bummer.

[Caevan O’Shite]

2 hours ago, Scott Fraser said:

Always sounded good to me when I recorded people using them, but the switches are (were?) very loud, acoustically. So recording in a room with other acoustic musicians this box always wrecked everybody else's tracks when switching loops & presets. Bummer.

More good info to know! I "Liked" your post, not that there were problems using those in recording sessions with mics.

[p90jr]

Not new, but new to me... and inexpensive... I'll let you know if it works worth a damn when I get it in...
 

 

[Winston Psmith]

19 hours ago, Scott Fraser said:

Always sounded good to me when I recorded people using them, but the switches are (were?) very loud, acoustically. So recording in a room with other acoustic musicians this box always wrecked everybody else's tracks when switching loops & presets. Bummer.

@Scott Fraser- It may be that the new version has quieter switches, as well? That feature alone might make the new model worth checking out, at least for some users.

 

It's interesting that the DL4 is the only one of the original Modelers that Line 6 has kept around for this long, and so far, is the only one to get an upgrade/reissue. Shows how well it penetrated the market.

 

BTW, for anyone like me, hoping the "Adriatic Delay" is something cooked up by Adrian Belew, it's not. It's essentially a super-charged Boss DM-3 Analog Delay model, where you can extend the Delay Time by "stacking" virtual BBD's, and IIRC, it's named for the fellow who worked on it, Ben Adrian. It's a crossover from the Helix-series MFX.

 

[Caevan O’Shite]

Aaaaaahhh.... !!
 

 

 

[Jon Levy]

I am LOVING the look of these! Maybe it's because I'm an old geezer, but the retro look of these pedals is absolutely intoxicating. Anyone else out there feel the same?