Sharkman Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I just got back home from grocery shopping. I waited until after the Tigers beat the A's (GO TIGERS!) to force a Game 5. But, I digress. While grocery shopping, I ran into my former congressman, who also waited until after the game to go shopping. I've known him for about twenty years, so, did we talk about politics? Bleeeccchh! We talked about guitars, a much finer topic. He's a Fender guy, while I'm a Carvin and Gibson guy. He thinks Gibsons are too heavy, while I just don't like how a Fender feels, and I don't understand how anyone else likes those things. I told him about stainless steel frets, and why he needs to get them on his next guitar. All in all, it was a very enjoyable conversation. Much better than if we talked about that projectile vomit inducing garbage that's going on in Washington right now. So you see, guitars are a much better topic of discussion than politics. I rock; therefore, I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caevan O’Shite Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Ask yourself- What Would Ren and Stimpy Do? ~ Caevan James-Michael Miller-O'Shite ~ _ ___ _ Leprechaun, Esquire _ ___ _ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p90jr Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I like Fenders and Gibsons/similar. Equally at home in my hands. I like strats, teles and jazzmasters. Politically I'm thoroughly a pinko, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larryz Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Go A's! Take care, Larryz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkman Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 Go fishing after Thursday, A's! There, fixed. I rock; therefore, I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Ellwood Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Go TIGERS!!! http://www.thestringnetwork.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larryz Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Go fishing after Thursday, A's! Their, fixed (the Tigers that is). and they can't breed or win another game! I know it's sad trying to keep hope alive...LOL! Take care, Larryz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitefang Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 HMMmmm...looks like talking guitars is more civil than talking politics OR sports! But notice the big difference. Fender guy v Gibson guy. Each states why their preference without it turning into a shouting match. Maybe because there are more choices in guitars than political parties? Dunno. It's the same thing with cameras...there are Nikon folks and Canon folks, and mostly it's a difference in feel and balance. And then maybe in the middle of a Canon v Nikon discussion, some PENTAX dude chimes in! If guitar discussions took on the essence of political discussions, it would be anarchy! Whitefang I started out with NOTHING...and I still have most of it left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyalcatraz Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Part of it is that my selection of a Fender, Gibson or whatever has absolutely no impact on your options for choosing a guitar of your own...unless you wanted the particular one I just walked off with, of course! Politics? It's a game of limited resources. And in sports, its all abut winners and losers. But with guitars? When one of us wins, we ALL win! Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: âNinety percent of everything is crapâ My FLMS- Murphy's Music in Irving, Tx http://murphysmusictx.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p90jr Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I've had some guitar discussions that verged on being angry political fights. Some "boutique" guitar enthusiasts are probably the guitar world equivalent of classists or worse in their opinions. And one of the first things I encountered here was a guy - I don't know if some of you will remember - who answered a solicitation thread from the editors about story ideas with "why don't you have the balls to say Vox amps suck?" and when I jabbed him about rock and roll history (and me) disagreeing with him and that the magazine didn't just do subjective, opinionated slams of things because someone dared them he flipped out totally on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p90jr Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 With every guitar brand that ever existed being resurrected (was someone hoping Electra would make a comeback?) and new brands popping up all the time I wonder: are there really that many guitarists on this planet? I mean, I know some of us do our part by having 20 of the things or whatever, but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p90jr Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 but yes, guitars are much more sane than politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 string Mike Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I find it funny how most guitar discussions wind up as Fender v. Gibson- on the bass side of the aisle, it's more of a P v. J. I'm a pretty big fan of Fender's G&L cousins, as well. I've had my hands on a couple PRS guitars that felt and sounded real nice too. I have to admit I like the feel and ergonomics of Ibanez guitars, but I really can't stand to listen to one. Something about their tone just gets to me. It seems like it's all mid-high but no real definition in the lower register. But that's just me. By the way, GO TIGERS!! "Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind"- George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannyalcatraz Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 With every guitar brand that ever existed being resurrected (was someone hoping Electra would make a comeback?) and new brands popping up all the time I wonder: are there really that many guitarists on this planet? I mean, I know some of us do our part by having 20 of the things or whatever, but... First, I don't know how many people were waiting for Electra's return, but I'm sure glad they're back- those are some fine looking guitars! Second, the guitar is the most popular instrument in the world*. That means sales, and lots of them. Some of that will be in expansion of collections by people like me. Some of that will be due to people upgrading. And lets face it- sometimes guitars meet gruesome fates, and must be replaced. * I just found out from a moderator on another guitar site I frequent that they have a membership of over 5 million. Sturgeon's 2nd Law, a.k.a. Sturgeon's Revelation: âNinety percent of everything is crapâ My FLMS- Murphy's Music in Irving, Tx http://murphysmusictx.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Ellwood Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I think Anderson makes the finest electric guitars on the planet! and GO TIGERS!!! http://www.thestringnetwork.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyBlues Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Baseball, guitars, don't forget cars! Re: Fender vs. Gibson, different strokes fer different strokes but with Carvin we all win, I looooove my Carvin(s). I was born at night but I wasn't born last night... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larryz Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Yeah, I'm an old 35mm Pentax guy...I prefer Fender over Gibson but have been playing my Taylors almost exclusively for the last 10 months or so...also, avoiding religion and politics on the forum and playing by the rules as much as possible...trying to be an advocate for good sportsmanship...GO A's! guess we'll know tomorrow night...if the Tigers win, that will be OK with me too, as I'm more into watching Football... Take care, Larryz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winston Psmith Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Funny how it still comes down to a two-party system, for the most part - Fender vs. Gibson? Of course, I'd never refuse to sit down with another player, just because they had a different guitar. "No way, man, he's one of those Gretsch players!" "Monsters are real, and Ghosts are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win." Stephen King http://www.novparolo.com https://thewinstonpsmithproject.bandcamp.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p90jr Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I'm playing a Heritage H-140 and a Hamer Echotone (both with Duncan humbuckers) the most these days, mainly because the other guitarists in the 3 bands I've been gigging with the most lately play teles and strats and jazzmasters and p90 SGs and Epi p90 Casinos, and I need to contrast/compliment their tones. I'm probably the only bassist who wants a P bass neck on a jazz bass. My big hands like the wider spacing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitefang Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 So, that must be some OTHER band member in your avatar playing that Tele? What gives? Are you Heritage players a bunch of blatant LIARS? Shoulda KNOWN. Whitefang I started out with NOTHING...and I still have most of it left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larryz Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I'm playing a Heritage H-140 and a Hamer Echotone (both with Duncan humbuckers) the most these days, mainly because the other guitarists in the 3 bands I've been gigging with the most lately play teles and strats and jazzmasters and p90 SGs and Epi p90 Casinos, and I need to contrast/compliment their tones. I'm wondering if you want to contrast more as opposed to complimenting their tones? Those pups will help you stand out the same way as a Tele, Strat, Jag, or Jazzmaster will have different tones based upon their pups even though they are all made by Fender. Speaking of Fenders The Ventures all used Fenders until they switched to Mosrites. The Beach Boys used Fenders. The Marshall Tucker band still has their two main guitar players and they use Less Pauls (both with humbuckers). I guess what I'm trying to say is: I think you can all have the same guitars and still compliment each other, especially if you're into the same genre. Your idea of having something different to add is also a good thing, if it fits... Take care, Larryz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Fraser Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Speaking of Fenders The Ventures all used Fenders until they switched to Mosrites. And then went right back to Fenders for the rest of their career, I guess after the Mosrite deal expired. Your idea of having something different to add is also a good thing, if it fits... Like John on a Rickenbacker & George on a Gretsch. Of course they also had exquisitely arranged different parts with different chord voicings in different ranges of the guitar neck. Scott Fraser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larryz Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I never really liked the Mosrite sound and there is no love lost with the Ventures using their original Fender sound (which they preferred in the studio). I'm glad the deal expired. The Rickenbacker was a favorite of the British bands. I really think the 12 string added a new sound to the mix that fit in well. I really didn't hear that much of an addition with the 6 string and think John could have used a different brand if he wanted to. Maybe that's why the Beatles added Gibsons, Epiphones and Fenders to their later songs. George played the higher registers in the early days... Take care, Larryz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desertbluesman Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I like guitars much better than politics. In fact I have absolutely no interest at all in politics. I do like my Ibanez RG321 a big bunch. As for Gibsons vs Fenders, I like 'em plenty good. Each has it's fine points. It ain't the guitar, it is the player, and how well he can master any of the guitar makes. I have seen some guys playing the most gawd awful moth eaten instruments, and get stunning results. That gave me a hint on which part of the instrument is the most important. The player, not the gear, although the finer the gear, the easier it is to get good sound. But in every instrument I ever tried there was a sweet spot somewhere, it is just a matter of finding it. dbm If it sounds good, it is good !! http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=143231&content=music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p90jr Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I'm playing a Heritage H-140 and a Hamer Echotone (both with Duncan humbuckers) the most these days, mainly because the other guitarists in the 3 bands I've been gigging with the most lately play teles and strats and jazzmasters and p90 SGs and Epi p90 Casinos, and I need to contrast/compliment their tones. I'm wondering if you want to contrast more as opposed to complimenting their tones? Those pups will help you stand out the same way as a Tele, Strat, Jag, or Jazzmaster will have different tones based upon their pups even though they are all made by Fender. Speaking of Fenders The Ventures all used Fenders until they switched to Mosrites. The Beach Boys used Fenders. The Marshall Tucker band still has their two main guitar players and they use Less Pauls (both with humbuckers). I guess what I'm trying to say is: I think you can all have the same guitars and still compliment each other, especially if you're into the same genre. Your idea of having something different to add is also a good thing, if it fits... a little of both. The Heritage has the SDuncan ring things to split the coils or put them in parallel, and I use it a lot. But the main thing is the other guitarists have really bright tones, and I'm using those two guitars (and a Gibson Les Paul "59 Special reissue with the P-100s as a back up) and a Vox AC15, mostly, and I get a darker tone. I'm also stingy on the overdrive so I'm a bit cleaner (unless it's a full on rocker), and I'm the "lead" guitarist, playing solos and a complimentary part... I never just duplicate the rhythm part unless they specifically want it and ask me to do it. I could probably get in the same neighborhood with the Strats and Teles and Jazzmaster I have, but the Heritage and Hamer also physically make me play a little differently... which is probably just in my head, but I'll use it. Or maybe it isn't... shorter scale-length, I use a heavier gauge of strings on them so I don't bend the strings off the neck, easier to get around on but takes a bit more attention with my big fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larryz Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 @ DBM, +1 on the sweet spot and on the player making the big difference. I like to find the sweet spot on the guitar and on the amp and then just use dynamics from that point on, as I'm more of a rhythm player anyway... @ P90, I knew you had your reasons and know how to come in with your best tones and volumes. +1 on lead vs. rhythm, pedals, amp, string bending and gauges being part of the equation too... Take care, Larryz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkman Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 GO TIGERS! One opponent down, two to go. And as far as the politicians in Washington, get back to work, ALL OF YOU! You're not getting paid to sit around and watch the world go by. And I still think a Fender Telecaster looks like a high school wood shop project. I rock; therefore, I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larryz Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 CONGRATULATIONS TIGER FANS!!! Take care, Larryz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitefang Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 CONGRATULATIONS TIGER FANS!!! Yeah, had my cardiologist on speed dial during that game. And don't fret, A's fans...if the GM has any brains, he'll do all he can to keep Sonny Gray on the roster. That kid has a bright future! And +1 on that woodshop project. Whitefang I started out with NOTHING...and I still have most of it left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 string Mike Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 And don't fret, A's fans...if the GM has any brains, he'll do all he can to keep Sonny Gray on the roster. That kid has a bright future! Whitefang I agree- He's only started in what, 12 Major League games in his career, and he's all of 22? I was kinda hoping Torii Hunter would send one of Sonny's pitches clean out of the park though... Glad to see Miggy get another homer. I thought Doolittle did a good job closing. Benoit had me worried or a few minutes. But, I digress... ... And I still think a Fender Telecaster looks like a high school wood shop project. That's why I like them Simple, straight-forward, git-er-done guitars. As far as sweet spot and Telecasters go, on my Tele copy, it has the GFS version of the standard American Tele neck pickup, so it's not as snarly as the super-hot bridge pickup. It was hard to find a good tone with it. The last time I played it after changing the strings, I tweaked a couple things and ran the neck pup through some good fuzz and compressor, and it really sounded good. Good balance of thick and gritty. I was happy with it. "Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind"- George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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