CX3 Engine settings that are good?

[PinkFloydDudi]

The Kronos has the CX3 engine on it, and I also have a non-working CX3 that I will get fixed one of these days.

 

I like the CX3 sound, and think the leslie sim is pretty great. Don't have the $ for a ventilator at the moment, so that isn't an option.

 

But in listening to some real B3's over the weekend at a live show, I feel like my sounds are just missing the bullseye on the sound.

 

(I realize nothing will replace the real thing, but want to get as close as I can)

 

 

Do people who use the CX3, or more specifically the CX3 engine on the Kronos have any "favorite settings" they use? Any great custom sounds that really nail the real B3/leslie sound?

 

Maybe any presets they like the best?

 

I have never really had enough exposure to the real B3/leslie sound to be able to create the sounds on the CX3 myself. I just know enough to know that it can be tweaked to be better than the defaults.

 

 

Any suggestions or help is appreciated!

[dazzjazz]

If you join the yahoo groups, clone wheel and organized you will find David Jacques CX3 settings somewhere in the Group files. These are good place to start and they helped me when I was starting out.

[HammondDave]

David Jacques' CX3 settings are seven posts down...

[burningbusch]

You might try the K-Sounds organs. The audio demos are very accurate as to what these sound like. He bypasses the overdrive built into the CX-3 engine and uses the insert FX instead.

 

http://ksounds.com/html/organimation_kronos_oasys.html

 

Busch.

[Delaware Dave]

Just as people say the Kurzweil triple strike piano is dated for piano so is the CX3's organ/leslie sim. You can probably get some additional improvement but I'm afraid each time you hear the real deal you will still end up feeling as you do now. Ultimately, as you have already stated, your next logical, cheapest improvement step would probably be adding the vent. Until you have the cash to do that then I would focus on tweaks that are CX3 leslie-related rather than organ-related. My two cents.

[Bill W]

There was a time when I thought the CX3 was da bomb. I owned the wooden one (v2) and now have a Kronos 61. Although I was very happy with the real CX3, I can't seem to dial in a sound I like on the Kronos. No matter how much tweaking I do, it never sounds quite right. Using a Ventilator with the Kronos does make a significant difference. The Ventilator is just magic. If you can find a used one, it would be worth saving for.

[PinkFloydDudi]

See if THIS leads you there....

 

link doesn't work. =(

 

I'll check out the group and see if I can find it.

 

Thanks for the input so far.

 

I realize that some people don't think the CX3 is at the top, but I've listened to other clonewheels and the nord, and I still think compared to those it is one of the best. I'm sure there are a bunch of threads discussing the different ones, but I'm just looking to get the best out of what I have.

 

I will keep an eye out for a used ventilator.

 

 

Keep in mind my level of igonrance - any suggestions for what drawbar settings to use for a good rock song? Mine are either too thin with too much highs, or too low with too much low end. I always feel I'm missing the middle "punch" I hear from live B3s.

 

Thanks again!

[PinkFloydDudi]

For those mentioning the David Jacques stuff...is this what you are referring to?:

http://drjohomusic.com/LeslieSimCompSettings2.html

 

 

[HammondDave]

No... That's not it. Let me see if I can find it and I will re-post them here..

[HammondDave]

OK... Here are my CX3 Setting.... DJ

 

Here ya go....

 

Here are the CX3 settings for my four organs...

 

1960 B3 and twin Leslie 145's... This Hammond and Leslie

rig has a lot

of bite to it and is on the rockier side...

 

Wheel Type: Vintage

 

DB Level Curve: Mellow

 

Overtone Level: 32

 

Leakage Level: 38

 

Noise Level: 0

 

On Click Level: 34

 

Off Click Level: 17

 

DB Preset's Percussion: ENA

 

Perc Normal Level: 91

 

Percussion Soft Offset: -31

 

Normal Percussion DB ATT: 10

 

Percussion Fast Decay: 36

 

Percussion Slow Offset: 40

 

Amp Type: 2

 

Speaker Sim: ON

 

Amp Gain: 4

 

Tone Treble: 0

 

Mid: 0

 

Bass: 0

 

Reverb Type: Plate

 

Reverb Time: 3.40

 

Reverb Mix Level: 18

 

Reverb Routing: Rev-7 Rot

 

Horn 60 Rotor 40

 

Horn Slow Speed: 9

 

Horn Fast Spped: 90

 

Rotor Slow Speed: 8

 

Rotor Fast Speed: 85

 

Horn Up Transit: 5

 

Horn Down Transit: 7

 

Horn Stop Transit: 20

 

Horn Start Transit: 15

 

Rotor Up Transit: 60

 

Rotor Down transit: 33

 

Rotor Stop Transit: 82

 

Rotor Start Transit: 66

 

Horn Mic Distance: 91

 

Horn Mic Spread: 60

 

Rotor Mic Distance: 87

 

Rotor Mic Spread: 45

 

I run my Speakeasy levels at around 3:00 and the Bass and

treble

flat....

 

 

 

1955 B3 and twin Leslie 21H's... This Hammond and Leslie

rig is quite

mellow and is great for quiet jazz and blues...

 

Output: 127

 

Wheel Type: Clean

 

DB Level Curve: Mellow

 

Overtone Level: 10

 

Leakage Level: 0

 

Noise Level: 0

 

On Click Level: 45

 

Off Click Level: 25

 

DB Preset's Percussion: ENA

 

Perc Normal Level: 70

 

Percussion Soft Offset: -40

 

Normal Percussion DB ATT: 10

 

Percussion Fast Decay: 36

 

Percussion Slow Offset: 60

 

Amp Type: 1

 

Speaker Sim: ON

 

Amp Gain: 13

 

Tone Treble: 0

 

Mid: 0

 

Bass: -5

 

Reverb Type: Plate

 

Reverb Time: 3.40

 

Reverb Mix Level: 18

 

Reverb Routing: Rev-7 Rot

 

Horn 70 Rotor 30

 

Horn Slow Speed: 9

 

Horn Fast Spped: 90

 

Rotor Slow Speed: 8

 

Rotor Fast Speed: 85

 

Horn Up Transit: 5

 

Horn Down Transit: 7

 

Horn Stop Transit: 20

 

Horn Start Transit: 15

 

Rotor Up Transit: 60

 

Rotor Down transit: 33

 

Rotor Stop Transit: 60

 

Rotor Start Transit: 66

 

Horn Mic Distance: 91

 

Horn Mic Spread: 60

 

Rotor Mic Distance: 60

 

Rotor Mic Spread: 45

 

1963 B3 and Leslie 147 and Leslie 122... This Hammond and

Leslie rig has

probably the best to all around sound... This is my stage

rig....

 

Output: 127

 

Wheel Type: Vintage

 

DB Level Curve: Mellow

 

Overtone Level: 32

 

Leakage Level: 38

 

Noise Level: 0

 

On Click Level: 40

 

Off Click Level: 20

 

DB Preset's Percussion: ENA

 

Perc Normal Level: 91

 

Percussion Soft Offset: -31

 

Normal Percussion DB ATT: 10

 

Percussion Fast Decay: 36

 

Percussion Slow Offset: 60

 

Amp Type: 2

 

Speaker Sim: ON

 

Amp Gain: 10

 

Tone Treble: 0

 

Mid: 0

 

Bass: 0

 

Reverb Type: Plate

 

Reverb Time: 3.40

 

Reverb Mix Level: 18

 

Reverb Routing: Rev-7 Rot

 

Horn 55 Rotor 45

 

Horn Slow Speed: 9

 

Horn Fast Spped: 90

 

Rotor Slow Speed: 8

 

Rotor Fast Speed: 85

 

Horn Up Transit: 5

 

Horn Down Transit: 7

 

Horn Stop Transit: 20

 

Horn Start Transit: 15

 

Rotor Up Transit: 60

 

Rotor Down transit: 33

 

Rotor Stop Transit: 60

 

Rotor Start Transit: 66

 

Horn Mic Distance: 91

 

Horn Mic Spread: 60

 

Rotor Mic Distance: 70

 

Rotor Mic Spread: 45

 

 

 

And finally, my newest acquisition, my 1956 B3 and Leslie

145... This

Hammond and Leslie rig has a really clean sound and is a

joy to play. It

is also located in my dining room so the acoustics offer a

wonderful

natural reverb. In fact, it's my only organ without a

spring reverb

installed.

 

Output: 127

 

Wheel Type: Clean

 

DB Level Curve: Mellow

 

Overtone Level: 25

 

Leakage Level: 15

 

Noise Level: 0

 

On Click Level: 34

 

Off Click Level: 17

 

DB Preset's Percussion: ENA

 

Perc Normal Level: 80

 

Percussion Soft Offset: -40

 

Normal Percussion DB ATT: 10

 

Percussion Fast Decay: 36

 

Percussion Slow Offset: 60

 

Amp Type: 1

 

Speaker Sim: ON

 

Amp Gain: 13

 

Tone Treble: 0

 

Mid: 0

 

Bass: -5

 

Reverb Type: Plate

 

Reverb Time: 3.40

 

Reverb Mix Level: 18

 

Reverb Routing: Rev-7 Rot

 

Horn 60 Rotor 40

 

Horn Slow Speed: 9

 

Horn Fast Spped: 90

 

Rotor Slow Speed: 8

 

Rotor Fast Speed: 85

 

Horn Up Transit: 5

 

Horn Down Transit: 7

 

Horn Stop Transit: 20

 

Horn Start Transit: 15

 

Rotor Up Transit: 60

 

Rotor Down transit: 33

 

Rotor Stop Transit: 60

 

Rotor Start Transit: 66

 

Horn Mic Distance: 91

 

Horn Mic Spread: 60

 

Rotor Mic Distance: 87

 

Rotor Mic Spread: 45

 

 

[mate stubb]

But after all that, you can still make it sound like a circus organ if you don't learn the drawbars.

 

There are many sites with sample drawbar settings, if you google them. That will give you a place to start.

[Outkaster]

Tucktronix has a CX-3 with a Vent it sounds real good. The Vent works well with it

[Delaware Dave]

interesting that DJ's settings here:

 

http://drjohomusic.com/LeslieSimCompSettings2.html

 

for the CX3 leslie settings he has the horn's slow/fast speeds running faster than the drums slow/fast speeds (which is how a 122/147 leslie works) but for the XK3 leslie settings he has the horn and drum speeds set to the same speed parameter....

[HammondDave]

interesting that DJ's settings here:

 

http://drjohomusic.com/LeslieSimCompSettings2.html

 

for the CX3 leslie settings he has the horn's slow/fast speeds running faster than the drums slow/fast speeds (which is how a 122/147 leslie works) but for the XK3 leslie settings he has the horn and drum speeds set to the same speed parameter....

 

Who knows what the hell he was thinking....

 

But my guess is that we are talking about two different instruments with two completely different Leslie sims. And the speed that sounds good on the CX3 probably sound like crap on the XK3.

 

If I had an XK3 I would go with Jim Alfredson's settings. That's what I used for the last year that I played one.

[Delaware Dave]

+1

 

...and Jim rocks.. check this out...

 

 

 

if you really want to cut to the meat, go to the 6:00 mark and start from there

[PinkFloydDudi]

awesome folks. I will check out these settings! Thank you very much for the input. Certainly a good place to start!