yorgatron Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 I play single notes,basslines,5ths,octaves,but I really don't like the sound of a chord on the low end. maybe this is more of an organ playing style I'm starting to develop? even my electric piano seems more like an organ,tone-wise. most of what I play is geared toward playing in a band,but will this be detrimental to learning how to play solo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyMary Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 I never play in the lower register, since I have bass and guitar in my band. I do chords with my left hand, but these are high-pitched pads. I don't think it has something to do with playing solo - you.ve gotta adjust to different situations. Stuff I play on piano at home is Very diff. From what I play in the band. Stage: MOX6, V-machine, and Roland AX7 Rolls PM351 for IEMs. Home/recording: Roland FP4, a few guitars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pale Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 I play single notes,basslines,5ths,octaves,but I really don't like the sound of a chord on the low end. maybe this is more of an organ playing style I'm starting to develop? even my electric piano seems more like an organ,tone-wise. most of what I play is geared toward playing in a band,but will this be detrimental to learning how to play solo? Maybe you should try playing wider chords? I also don't like the sound of tight chords in left hand, but some wide left hand chords sound really nice. For example, I-V-X. Custom handmade clocks: www.etsy.com/shop/ClockLight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Muscara Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 Who does? Even solo, it's easy to get muddy down there. Most solo stuff LH is what you describe as working, single notes, 5ths, etc. "I'm so crazy, I don't know this is impossible! Hoo hoo!" - Daffy Duck "The good news is that once you start piano you never have to worry about getting laid again. More time to practice!" - MOI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffLearman Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 I wish I could. I love the way jazz players use their left hands. I can only do a tiny bit of that. But they're playing chords in the middle of the keyboard, not much below Middle C. Then again, the style I admire most is players like Max Middleton, who don't play a left-hand and right-hand part, but a *whole* part that often involves sophisticated left-hand playing. Just listen with care sometime to Jeff Beck's "'Cause We've Ended as Lovers" (written by Stevie Wonder). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Song80s Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 I have been slowly improving my left hand by playing a lot of 9th chords, 1st position My XS motif and M3M kick in a cool variety of bass riffs based on my left handed chords In addition, and on piano, my left handed chords nicely sets up my right hand Why fit in, when you were born to stand out ? My Soundcloud with many originals: [70's Songwriter] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 I hope the OP isn't actually trying to play chords below C2. Otherwise, LH chords are important when it comes to playing solo piano. PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timwat Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 I suppose it depends on genre. I play lots of LH voicings, but usually in middle C region. Mastering smooth articulation and dynamics is a work in progress. .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyzik Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 Who does? Even solo, it's easy to get muddy down there. Most solo stuff LH is what you describe as working, single notes, 5ths, etc. who does? everybody does. Play some stride piano to begin with. (e.g. rags) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldwin Funster Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 I think Joe is referring specifically to organ, forgive me if i'm wrong. FunMachine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanker. Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 I voice stuff down low with the left hand all the time, piano or organ. It's all in how you do it A ROMpler is just a polyphonic turntable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggy Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 I have the same problem too. My left hand is locked on I-V-VIII. Sounds pretty empty, and i'm open to any books teaching some better LH Chords. Also, when comping, i have difficulties sharing chord notes on my RH and LH. I end up playing most of the notes on RH, and I-V or I-VII on LH. Real problem for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marzzz Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 Then again, the style I admire most is players like Max Middleton, who don't play a left-hand and right-hand part, but a *whole* part that often involves sophisticated left-hand playing. Just listen with care sometime to Jeff Beck's "'Cause We've Ended as Lovers" (written by Stevie Wonder). Greatest. Song. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 I voice stuff down low with the left hand all the time, piano or organ. It's all in how you do it Stop teasing folks. Not everyone is willing to endure the Olympic diet required to reach it. PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanker. Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 I have the same problem too. My left hand is locked on I-V-VIII. Sounds pretty empty, and i'm open to any books teaching some better LH Chords. Also, when comping, i have difficulties sharing chord notes on my RH and LH. I end up playing most of the notes on RH, and I-V or I-VII on LH. Real problem for me. Start by voicing the 3rd and 7th in the left hand, build from that A ROMpler is just a polyphonic turntable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Loving Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 Kanker's right. Just use wide open stuff in the left hand "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogut Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 my left hand is as useless as a pecker on a pope... -Greg Motif XS8, MOXF8, Hammond XK1c, Vent Rhodes Mark II 88 suitcase, Yamaha P255 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon May Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Sparse rootless voicings for me in blues solos (eg I 3rd-7th, IV 7th-3rd-13th...) "I'm well acquainted with the touch of a velvet hand..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMcD Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 In my "modern" rock band, I usually play the root of the chord in the baritone-tenor range of the keyboard (To fill the space more, and to back up the guitar, who's strumming eighth notes too). Then, my right hand is free for sustained chords or semi-melodic, Jon Lord-esque comping. Occasionally, I'll play a chord in RH and play a counter-bass line in the LH. I'm currently compiling a solo piano version of Take Five, based on a Real Book transcription and the first page of a piano chart I got online. For some parts, I comp with my left hand (Occasionally, sustaining a bass note with my pinky) and play the melody with my right hand. Other times, I shift comping duties to the thumb and index finger of my right hand, keeping the other 3 fingers open for melody while my left hand pounds out some bass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucasb Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 My casio keyboard has a great setting where I just press one note down there and it plays the whole chord for me!! Jokes aside, if you want to cop a jazz thing you can do the McCoy Tyner LH where you play voicings made up only of fourths. For example, if the change is some type of C major: play E-A-D (3,6,9) F7: play Eb-A-D (7,3,13) G7sus: G-C-F (1,4,7) etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3eH6VW6Chc Find 660 of my jazz piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Harry was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Schmieder Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 I prefer to break chords up, spread them out, etc., when in the lower registers (whether arps or whatever). But there may also be times where my left hand is above middle "C" and my right hand is soloing higher up still. I'm not a very accomplished keyboardist so I just do what each song takes and learn the song; "real" keyboardists have actual technique which they tend to employ on most of the songs they play. This again gets back to that earlier argument about "keyboardists" vs. "synthesists", or whatever the terminology was that was used in that discussion. I don't tend to like tightly packed chords though, in ensemble playing, as they can get in the way of other instruments by hogging chunks of the audio spectrum. So at the very least, I tend to spread out any chord I play, whether in the left hand or right hand, and as I like "jazz" chords I tend to drop the third or fifth to have room for the "other" notes. Eugenio Upright, 60th Anniversary P-Bass, USA Geddy Lee J-Bass, Yamaha BBP35, D'angelico SS Bari, EXL1, Select Strat, 70th Anniversary Esquire, LP 57, Eastman T486, T64, Ibanez PM2, Hammond XK4, Moog Voyager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Schmieder Posted July 10, 2009 Share Posted July 10, 2009 Another trick I'll do in the left hand goers back to my jazz bass playing days, where I'll do a "walking bass line" that essentially breaks up the chords, but may spread over three octaves at times. I did this in my "Doctor Who" arrangement while playing triplet arpeggios in the right hand. This is one of my favourite ways to "cover" a chord without playing in a blockish way, as all of the important notes in the chord progression show up to support other harmonisation and leads. I call it my "baroque-classical" style, as it combines influences from Bach and Beethoven. Eugenio Upright, 60th Anniversary P-Bass, USA Geddy Lee J-Bass, Yamaha BBP35, D'angelico SS Bari, EXL1, Select Strat, 70th Anniversary Esquire, LP 57, Eastman T486, T64, Ibanez PM2, Hammond XK4, Moog Voyager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorgatron Posted July 11, 2009 Author Share Posted July 11, 2009 OK,so I'm not the only one playing like this. I'm still relatively new to this,so I buy "teach yourself keys" books and they always have you play some big block chord that sounds like a bucket of mud,then you play the melody line over that. lame. I had a feeling I was on the right track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Kovacevic Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 I play single notes,basslines,5ths,octaves,but I really don't like the sound of a chord on the low end. maybe this is more of an organ playing style I'm starting to develop? even my electric piano seems more like an organ,tone-wise. most of what I play is geared toward playing in a band,but will this be detrimental to learning how to play solo? Im in the same boat, it got to the point where all the stuff i play sounds the same. I went for a few lessons with Eddie Harvey (great guy btw) who is a jazz piano teacher at TVU where i study. It made a lot of sense! Thats what my playing is missing, comping.. As a lot of the guys already mentioned the 5ths 7ths 9ths 13ths can be played with the left hand while filling in with the right with other chord notes plus melody line.. the example that Jazz+ gave of Keith Jarret is great. It seems to me that all of the cycles have to be learned by heart so that i dont need to think about where the left hand needs to go. Its also about breaking the 'bad' habbit of playing root all the time in the LH ie separating hands instead of using both hands more closely (if that makes sense). Eddie suggested a great book, one which he uses to teach his students its called Jazz Keyboard Harmony by Phil DeGREG. Being lazy doesnt help and this stuff requires practicing and concentration to break the habbit while learning a new way of LH RH usage in playing. Thats my case at least, hope it helps. Nik -Music Is The Soul Of Life- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffLearman Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 I hope the OP isn't actually trying to play chords below C2. Otherwise, LH chords are important when it comes to playing solo piano. Hey, Paul McCartney did just fine without ever playing any LH chords! (Mr. McCartney aside, Prof is correct.) Even when not playing chords below C2, you can play very significant intervals down there. The real surprise is how they might not be the intervals you might suspect. Again, see Max Middleton's Rhodes part on CWEAL, as I mentioned above. No doubt jazz is full of stuff like this; I'm just spouting one I studied myself. I found 3 kinds of things there: 1) Stuff I could have easily thought of myself 2) Stuff I never would have thought of, but made perfect sense 3) Stuff I have no idea at all why it works at all and bewilders me to no end add to the above, stuff that's thrown in on left hand that doesn't so much seem to serve a harmonic purpose as to punch up or change the timbre of the right hand part. I don't know what I'm talking about here, all I can say is it's what it seems to do. I made a MIDI part for that tune, btw -- if anyone wants to disect it and let me know where I goofed (which I'm sure is plenty of places, it's all just my best guesses), just say so. Here's an audio clip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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