Jazz+ Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Somebody gave me Corea's recent "Five Peace Band". Corea plays a Rhodes patch and he pitch bends it sometimes. He also plays some mini moog type sounding patches. Which Yamaha XS8 Rhodes patch is he using? I think the XS has the same Rhodes samples as in the older Motif models. http://www.amazon.com/Chick-Corea/e/B000APTDWG Yamaha XS8 and XS6 http://www.dariovilla.net/concerts/corea/chick_corea_03_milano2008.jpg http://blog-imgs-27.fc2.com/o/h/i/ohisa3/Chick_Corea_and_John_McLaughlin_Five_Peace_Band_2009-02-08_b.jpg http://blog-imgs-27.fc2.com/o/h/i/ohisa3/Chick_Corea_and_John_McLaughlin_Five_Peace_Band_2009-02-08_f.jpg Harry Likas was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Find 700 of Harry’s piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and jazz piano tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted April 7, 2009 Author Share Posted April 7, 2009 Chick Corea Yamaha Rhodes sound in action (video): Solo using the Rhodes patchwith pitch bending starting at 5:47 on "Silent Way" (Miles Davis classic funk fusion groove) Harry Likas was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Find 700 of Harry’s piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and jazz piano tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanS Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 I'm going to see them on the 28th, woo hoo! What we record in life, echoes in eternity. MOXF8, Electro 6D, XK1c, Motif XSr, PEKPER, Voyager, Univox MiniKorg. https://www.abandoned-film.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 In Chick's hands, XS, ES, Juno D, etc., the patch doesn't make a difference. They would all sound the same. The man just has 'it'. I may check out the Five Peace band at Music Center Strathmore on Apr 29th. PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT156 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 What I find ironic is, Chick is such a GREAT musician, and a real Rhodes has been a long standing mainstay of his KB rig. He's playing an XS8? Wow. I guess that buries the theory that you have to have "The real thing". Not only the patch he is playing doesn't make a difference, the KB doesn't matter either. Yep, he's got it! And he's not a gear snob! Cheers, Mike T. Yamaha Motif ES8, Alesis Ion, Prophet 5 Rev 3.2, 1979 Rhodes Mark 1 Suitcase 73 Piano, Arp Odyssey Md III, Roland R-70 Drum Machine, Digitech Vocalist Live Pro. Roland Boss Chorus Ensemble CE-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanL Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 I saw him w/ RTF a few months ago and he had the Rhodes. Maybe it wasn't practical to take one to Europe? Either way, he's a master and he could make a Yamaha portasound sound great. Jazz+ it's hard to tell what patch he's using but I have similar ones on my S90ES from the Vintage Keys add on sound set. A lot of those, to me, have more dynamic range than a lot of the stock patches. Live: Korg Kronos 2 88, Nord Electro 5d Nord Lead A1 Toys: Roland FA08, Novation Ultranova, Moog LP, Roland SP-404SX, Roland JX10,Emu MK6 www.bksband.com www.echoesrocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Looks like the same Motif Chick was using with RTF last year. The other readily identifiable 'boards were a Voyager and acoustic grand. I couldn't tell for sure, but his 4th keyboard may have been a Rhodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 What I find ironic is, Chick is such a GREAT musician, and a real Rhodes has been a long standing mainstay of his KB rig. He's playing an XS8? Wow. I guess that buries the theory that you have to have "The real thing". I'm guessing the fact that he's a Yamaha Artist might have a little to do with it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT156 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 quote by Sven Golly: "I'm guessing the fact that he's a Yamaha Artist might have a little to do with it..." Good point. But if the XS sucked, he wouldn't be using it for shows. Mike T. Yamaha Motif ES8, Alesis Ion, Prophet 5 Rev 3.2, 1979 Rhodes Mark 1 Suitcase 73 Piano, Arp Odyssey Md III, Roland R-70 Drum Machine, Digitech Vocalist Live Pro. Roland Boss Chorus Ensemble CE-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 quote by Sven Golly: "I'm guessing the fact that he's a Yamaha Artist might have a little to do with it..." Good point. But if the XS sucked, he wouldn't be using it for shows. Mike T. Agreed... but it explains why he may not be hauling around the New Rhodes, or anything by any other manufacturer... (and, as pointed out by others, even a mediocre sound in the hands of the master would shine...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT156 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Yamaha must be paying him the big bucks. I also mentioned that Chick could play anything and make it sound good. I wonder how he would do on a washboard? Mike T. Yamaha Motif ES8, Alesis Ion, Prophet 5 Rev 3.2, 1979 Rhodes Mark 1 Suitcase 73 Piano, Arp Odyssey Md III, Roland R-70 Drum Machine, Digitech Vocalist Live Pro. Roland Boss Chorus Ensemble CE-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Yamaha must be paying him the big bucks. A friend of mine who is also a Yamaha Artist basically said that whatever he needs when on tour, he gets. They did the Tonight Show and he just flew in and the gear was there, set up for him. He plugged in the memory card, loaded his patches, and away he went. And he was a B or C-level artist in the Yamaha world. Not sure how it differs when you're as big a name as Chick, but you can be damn sure he's not paying for the gear. I also mentioned that Chick could play anything and make it sound good. Sorry, by "others" I meant "not me". I wonder how he would do on a washboard? I just had a bizarre image of Chick appearing in overalls and a straw hat on Hee Haw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT156 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Quote by Sven Golly: "A friend of mine who is also a Yamaha Artist basically said that whatever he needs when on tour, he gets. They did the Tonight Show and he just flew in and the gear was there, set up for him." Boy, can't beat that with a stick! No roadies, ever? Mike T. Yamaha Motif ES8, Alesis Ion, Prophet 5 Rev 3.2, 1979 Rhodes Mark 1 Suitcase 73 Piano, Arp Odyssey Md III, Roland R-70 Drum Machine, Digitech Vocalist Live Pro. Roland Boss Chorus Ensemble CE-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Quote by Sven Golly: "A friend of mine who is also a Yamaha Artist basically said that whatever he needs when on tour, he gets. They did the Tonight Show and he just flew in and the gear was there, set up for him." Boy, can't beat that with a stick! No roadies, ever? Mike T. Oh, they've definitely got roadies; they're touring arenas all the time... but for the Leno show, Yamaha delivered to his specs. I'm paraphrasing his tale, and I'm sure his band's roadies did the final stage setup, but they didn't have to bring any of the keyboard backline (which included an ES8 and ES7, if memory serves, it was a few years back) for the show. Ahhh, I remember life on the road with a crew... that was the life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 I dunno, the Motif doesn't sound like trash to me, even when played by people other than Chick. No doubt he can make a Korg M3 sound like a million bucks too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobadohshe Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Chick is one of Yamaha's flagship artists and they surely pay him the big bucks indeed. I remember seeing him at Catalina Bar and Grill and Yamaha had taken the Steinway and set it on it's side in the corner so they could put their concert grand on stage for Chick. I dunno, the Motif doesn't sound like trash to me, even when played by people other than Chick. No doubt he can make a Korg M3 sound like a million bucks too. Exactly. Having Yamaha take care of the XS8 logistics is probably way less of a headache for Chick. And the XS sounds great anyway, so why not use it? Kawai C-60 Grand Piano : Hammond A-100 : Hammond SK2 : Yamaha CP4 : Yamaha Montage 7 : Moog Sub 37 My latest album: Funky organ, huge horn section https://bobbycressey.bandcamp.com/album/cali-native Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT156 Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Quote by GovernorSilver: "No doubt he can make a Korg M3 sound like a million bucks too." I don't know, that might be a stretch! Mike T. Yamaha Motif ES8, Alesis Ion, Prophet 5 Rev 3.2, 1979 Rhodes Mark 1 Suitcase 73 Piano, Arp Odyssey Md III, Roland R-70 Drum Machine, Digitech Vocalist Live Pro. Roland Boss Chorus Ensemble CE-1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Hey, let's not leave Roland out of the party. If Chick plays a Fantom, is he making a turd look shiny? Which Big Three keyboard sounds least poopy in his hands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Mr. Cranky here. I'm going to have to dispute that Chick makes anything sound great. For piano sounds, that may be. But his lead synthesizer tones and pitch bending techniques have been oozing solid coagulated milk protein for years. IMHO, of course. Moe --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanL Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 I should mention that when I saw him w/ RTF he had an ES8 on stage as well. Played all the clav stuff and a lot of pads from it. Live: Korg Kronos 2 88, Nord Electro 5d Nord Lead A1 Toys: Roland FA08, Novation Ultranova, Moog LP, Roland SP-404SX, Roland JX10,Emu MK6 www.bksband.com www.echoesrocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted April 8, 2009 Author Share Posted April 8, 2009 Maybe I am not that inspired by Chick's soloing on this new album... he plays a lot of continuos fast double time lines and patterns, which are pretty nice but get tiresome after five minutes. And when he is not playing his fast double time lines his melodies are sometimes not very happening - he goes into his spares pitch bending notes that sound sort of cheesey to me. His little pitch bent melodies almost border on sounding kind of dorky... like when he sat in with that rock band at the Grammy Awards a couple years ago. For inspiring pitch bending I prefer the likes of Mike Stern and Johhn Schofield. I think would rather be listening to my Michael Brecker CDs when I am in the mood for fusion than this jamming sounding collaberation with McLaughlin. Harry Likas was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Find 700 of Harry’s piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and jazz piano tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Maybe I am not that inspired by Chick's soloing on this new album... he plays a lot of continuos fast double time lines and patterns, which are pretty nice but get tiresome after five minutes. And when he is not playing his fast double time lines his melodies are sometimes not very happening - he goes into his spares pitch bending notes that sound sort of cheesey to me. His little pitch bent melodies almost border on sounding kind of dorky... like when he sat in with that rock band at the Grammy Awards a couple years ago. For inspiring pitch bending I prefer the likes of Mike Stern and Johhn Schofield. I think would rather be listening to my Michael Brecker CDs when I am in the mood for fusion than this jamming sounding collaberation with McLaughlin. I respect the opinion but don't quite understand the purpose of asking which Motif sounds he uses. As it pertains to pitch bending, Stern and Scofield are guitarists. IMO, nobody pitch bends a KB solo better than George Duke. Otherwise, Chick getting paid to jam with McLaughlin and the others provides him with another outlet to play and have fun. PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 For my money, the master of tasteful and subtle pitch bending, and the artistic use of synths in general, has got to be the late Joe Zawinul. He set the bar very high, indeed. I do enjoy Chick Corea's playng, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanS Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Not sure how it differs when you're as big a name as Chick, but you can be damn sure he's not paying for the gear. Guy I grew up with plays drums for Megadeth. Has a pretty nice kit, so I asked him once how much it was worth. "Not sure, I didn't pay for any of it" What we record in life, echoes in eternity. MOXF8, Electro 6D, XK1c, Motif XSr, PEKPER, Voyager, Univox MiniKorg. https://www.abandoned-film.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanS Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Mr. Cranky here. I'm going to have to dispute that Chick makes anything sound great. For piano sounds, that may be. But his lead synthesizer tones and pitch bending techniques have been oozing solid coagulated milk protein for years. IMHO, of course. Some of his older stuff is definitely porn flavoured. What we record in life, echoes in eternity. MOXF8, Electro 6D, XK1c, Motif XSr, PEKPER, Voyager, Univox MiniKorg. https://www.abandoned-film.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 For my money, the master of tasteful and subtle pitch bending, and the artistic use of synths in general, has got to be the late Joe Zawinul. He set the bar very high, indeed. +1 The only reason I didn't mention JZ is because he's no longer with us. D*mn. PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidolem Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 who's JW ? "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench; a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. ............ There's also a negative side" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SK Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 And the Grammy Award for Best Pitch Bending goes to... Hey, all those guys are great. I love Corea, Zawinul, Herbie, etc. It doesn't mean I've always had to enjoy every single moment of everything they play either. Chick and Herbie tend to spread themselves a little thin sometimes, performing in a broad variety of situations, like Chick with Bela Fleck and Bobby McFerrin, etc. Jarrett tends to stay more within his musical environment, as did Zawinul. All performances not being equal, it doesn't take away from Chick's prowess as an influential pianist, composer and keyboardist. Like ProfD said, I just think he's having fun here. CD: http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/stevekessler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 who's JW ? That was a typo. Fixed above. Thanks. PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Here's some old Chick on a real Rhodes. It's obvious he's hampered by the slow mushy action as he gingerly pecks out the solo, I guess because he's afraid of breaking a tine. Thank god for ROMplers. Chick solo Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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