playstation Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 Hi all, I was watching some Youtube videos of people playing Chopin, and I realized that the fast runs up and down the keyboard remind me of some contemporary prog rock stuff. Today's stuff never seems to be documented note for note, but the Chopin stuff is written note for note with fingering. Can anyone suggest classical sheet music that shows really cool quintessential note riffs up and down that would lead to getting good at moving around on the board. The problem I'm having is that scales only point out the notes to be used, but not cool ways to properly rip up and down the board. Moog Model D re-issue, Kurzweil Artis SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan South Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 There's a classical piece by John Cage called 4'33" that might be just what you're looking for. The Black Knight always triumphs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entropiastrife Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 first off, chopin is romantic secondly, almost any allegro movement of a classical piece will have fast "shreddy" notes if you will but anyways for your suggestion, have a look into almost any bach invention or prelude! maybe bach's invention in d minor is a good one to start with http://www.myspace.com/jaredsloan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jode Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 One ovbious choice: Allegro Barbaro by Bela Bartok. Two minutes of Hungarian bad-assedness. Keith Emerson cranked it up to eleven on a Hammond, renamed it "The Barbarian", and opened ELP's first album with it. Actually, harmonically and chops-wise, any Bartok is prog-appropriate. "I had to have something, and it wasn't there. I couldn't go down the street and buy it, so I built it." Les Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dv8.Maker Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 3rd movement of Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata, as long as you don't mind c# minor. Quite a few of Chopin works are good too. Now if you want a piece that you can flip through an just grab some cool riffs...Rachmaninoff's Rach 3. can't be beat (I wouldn't dream of actually trying to play the full piece myself). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwhite9 Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 If you have a sequencer that can read midi and show the notation then the web site below can be a source of inspiration. An hour of browsing, listening and downloading midi and you'll have enough stuff to practice for months. http://www.classicalmidiconnection.com/ The nice thing about midi is taking just the sections you are interested in and pasting them into one sequence for practice or listening (and transposing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstation Posted December 4, 2007 Author Share Posted December 4, 2007 Wow! Thanx a million guys. School of shred!!!!! Moog Model D re-issue, Kurzweil Artis SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstation Posted December 4, 2007 Author Share Posted December 4, 2007 If you have a sequencer that can read midi and show the notation then the web site below can be a source of inspiration. An hour of browsing, listening and downloading midi and you'll have enough stuff to practice for months. http://www.classicalmidiconnection.com/ The nice thing about midi is taking just the sections you are interested in and pasting them into one sequence for practice or listening (and transposing). I have Ableton and Band in a Box. BB can cipher audio mp3 to chords which I use sometimes. I haven't tried disecting midi files, but these programs can do it maybe? Moog Model D re-issue, Kurzweil Artis SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted December 4, 2007 Share Posted December 4, 2007 There's a classical piece by John Cage called 4'33" that might be just what you're looking for. dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Professional Affiliations: Royer Labs • Music Player Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marino Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 There's a classical piece by John Cage called 4'33" that might be just what you're looking for. I'd suggest you start with the second movement - it's easier to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gulliver Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 There's a classical piece by John Cage called 4'33" that might be just what you're looking for. LOL I am back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonaldM Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 Did Cage ever do a piece for "prepared Synthesizer"? There are 10 kinds of people in the world...those who can read binary, and those who can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nancy Hutagalung Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 4'33"...LOL! I was going to do that for my senior piano recital in college. But I opted for Cage's Music Walk instead. And BTW, classical music in general helps you shred because the music is quite heavy on shredding, anyway. Yes, I suggest all periods of classical music except Classical period. It's too plain. For major shredding stuff, Bach's fugues and inventions (or anything contrapuntal--the more voices, the better!) are great exercises. (Counterpoint is tricky stuff! If you mess up one voice, you'll mess up the other--it's like a domino effect.) And yes, Romantic pieces like Chopin's--a definite must for keyboard shredders! Let's not forget Impressionism (Ravel and Debussy). Their stuff have lots and lots of runs. And of course, obviously Contemporary (20th century) music as well because of the shifting meter or time signature, and funky-looking chords with funky voicings. The forms on prog rock are actually based on classical music, so classical music is the best choice to get your fingers up and running. Sixth Stream Studio: http://3s.musicteachershelper.com www.sixthstreamstudio.vox.com www.silknsoulband.com Sonic Bridges (compilation album - Summer 2008 release): www.myspace.com/sonicbridgesmcmp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Davis Posted December 5, 2007 Share Posted December 5, 2007 One ovbious choice: Allegro Barbaro by Bela Bartok. Two minutes of Hungarian bad-assedness. I don't have anything constructive to add here. I just like the sound of the phrase "Hungarian bad-assedness." If you say it a couple of time it starts to sound like "Hungarian bad acid mess." Anyway, carry on... Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playstation Posted December 5, 2007 Author Share Posted December 5, 2007 There's a classical piece by John Cage called 4'33" that might be just what you're looking for. Moog Model D re-issue, Kurzweil Artis SE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jode Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 One ovbious choice: Allegro Barbaro by Bela Bartok. Two minutes of Hungarian bad-assedness. I don't have anything constructive to add here. I just like the sound of the phrase "Hungarian bad-assedness." If you say it a couple of time it starts to sound like "Hungarian bad acid mess." Anyway, carry on... Mike Funny you say that, because on certain nights in college, "The Barbarian" did sound like a Hungarian bad acid mess. "I had to have something, and it wasn't there. I couldn't go down the street and buy it, so I built it." Les Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DafDuc Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Bach is good, but not real prog-y, in the sense that he never really went "out". Berlioz had great melody lines, but wasn't real shred oriented. But I could see someone taking his ideas and getting real shreddy with them. Bartok's a good call too. I'd look at the Russians for melodic content too. And talk about bad-ass Hungarians - Liszt had amazing chops. Plus, for a bad-acid mess, you could always watch Lisztomania. I played in an 8 piece horn band. We would often get bored. So...three words: "Tower of Polka." - Calumet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanker. Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Bach is good, but not real prog-y, in the sense that he never really went "out". Most prog doesn't really go out either, and a whole lot of it lives in the major and melodic minor world that Bach mastered. A ROMpler is just a polyphonic turntable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DafDuc Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Huh. Guess I don't listen to enough of the genre. Emerson definitely listened to the Russians - Not just Pictures, but most of his improv seems to spend some time in those Russian scales Bach would never have touched. Topographic Oceans seemed to move beyond Baroque / Classical tonality as well. I played in an 8 piece horn band. We would often get bored. So...three words: "Tower of Polka." - Calumet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanker. Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 You have to remember, Bach was way beyond his contemporaries and generations of composers after him. He's more like Charlie Parker than he is Mozart. A ROMpler is just a polyphonic turntable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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