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Stopped by GC today for a few minutes and auditioned some questionable CD "music" through pairs of Mackie SRM350 and JBL Eon 10 G2.

 

My quick 5 minute impressions:

 

Boy those JBLs sure are portable!

 

The JBLs noticeably lack bass.

 

The Mackies have much better bass. Their high end is hyped and hurt my ears.

 

The search continues, I guess.

Moe

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Another contender, made in Australia

I haven't auditioned them, but would be interested to hear from anyone who has. There are also 8" and 15" models.

http://www.jonmaydesign.com/graphics/otherPics/questqsa300.jpg

 

QSA300 SPECS

 

Frequency Response: 60 - 20K Hz

HF Coverage Angle: 90 x 60 Deg

Max SPL: 127 dB (peak)

Amp Power: HF 60 Watts

LF 240 Watts

Transducer: HF 1 x 1 Titanium compression driver

LF 1 x 12 with 3 voice coil bass driver

Enclosure: Injection molded plastic

Input/Output Connections: XLR in/out

Dimensions: 430 x 310 x 570mm

Weight: 25.5 Kg

 

I recently played my Electro2 through a Yammie MSR400, and liked it! Made me content with 12" for bass.

"I'm well acquainted with the touch of a velvet hand..."
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My band uses a pair of the EV's, we got them used from a sound company that was liquidating. They are lifesavers! We use them as extra monitors on gigs that don't have enough mixes to cover us, or as mains for a small PA to run horns, vocals and keys in smaller rooms. We even ran them of of our tour bus's power inverter at a show at a bigger hall last year when a storm caused a huge power outage. Just left the bus idling and ran a long extension cord into the hall, used one as a PA, the other as my bass amp, and our guitarist ran his smallest amp. The staff lined the room with candles, it was a pretty magical gig.

Turn up the speaker

Hop, flop, squawk

It's a keeper

-Captain Beefheart, Ice Cream for Crow

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Carvin LM12A

 

http://www.carvin.com/images/thumb/LM12A.jpg

 

Direct price $399.99 + $29.99 shipping

Freq. Resp.: 57 Hz to 18 kHz ±3 dB

Useable LF: 46 Hz (-10 dB)

Sensitivity: 100 dB SPL, 1 Watt @ 1 meter

Bi-Amp: Low Freq. 300Wrms, High Freq. 50Wrms

Impedance: 8 ohms

Power Handling: 300w continuous, 600w peak

Coverage Angles: 90° Horiz., 30°x45° Vert.

Protection Circuits: Speaker Guard

Inputs: 1/4 inch and Speakon

Enclosure Type: Vented

Enlosure: Polypropylene

Suspension mounts: Four points

Dimensions: 16W x 13.125D x 24.375H

Net Weight: 34 Lbs.

 

 

Moe

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There's a saying out in these here parts......"Use a Carvin, go to jail"

 

They're cheap , and light....but every one I've heard sounds like sh..t unless you're using them for a piano/vocal single/duo in very quiet situations.

Chick singers seem to favor them because of the weight and price.

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My band uses a pair of the EV's, we got them used from a sound company that was liquidating. ...

 

Did you have concerns buying hire equipment with unknown history of use? It sounds like it worked out OK for you. I'm considering sourcing a QSA300 (see my previous post) from a sound hire company who are selling a bunch of 'em.

"I'm well acquainted with the touch of a velvet hand..."
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My band uses a pair of the EV's, we got them used from a sound company that was liquidating. ...

 

Did you have concerns buying hire equipment with unknown history of use? It sounds like it worked out OK for you. I'm considering sourcing a QSA300 (see my previous post) from a sound hire company who are selling a bunch of 'em.

 

We didn't have any concerns in this case because the history of use wasn't unknown, the company was run by a close friend and myself and 2 other members of my band had worked for the company, so we knew how well-maintained the speakers were. But I'd guess that if you test the speakers thoroughly and they work, buying used should be fine.

Turn up the speaker

Hop, flop, squawk

It's a keeper

-Captain Beefheart, Ice Cream for Crow

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The company I'm considering have a 7-day money-back return policy, so I can test drive for the cost of freight. I'm thinking of going for it. All reports on the QSA's I've gleaned from the web praise their build and component quality. And the hire company maintain and service their gear. Now to hear them.
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A friend of mine w/ a lot of dough just bought a pair of these

L-Acoustic 108P speakers. 8" w/ horn, 28lbs. He says they are the best speakers he's ever heard. When someone says something like that to me, I normally take it with a grain of salt. With this guy , I don't, he's very picky. He said they were $4500 for the pair....cheaper than the Meyer's he said.

Well, you won't find me running out any time soon to drop that kind of $$$$

on gigging speakers. I thought I would pass it along in case any one wins the lottery or gets a large inheritance and wants to check them out.

 

I was told by a local sound company, L-Ac. is very well known and respected in the high-end Pro Sound area. They recently did the sound upgrade at the Hollywood Bowl.

 

Web site is L-Acoustic.com

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Thanks people for all this great stuff - such a blessing to have all these opinions in one place.

 

I have a question about the srm350. I played an fp4 through a srm450 the other week and thought it sounded awesome (i admit didnt compare it to anything though). But the weight (and the price) might be a problem. The guy in the shop told me that for some reason the 350's just dont work for pianos. Said they noticed some sort of high pitched hiss with every note unless played very quietly. So I have 3 questions:

 

1. Is he conning me? Can anyone confirm a problem with hissing using a dp through a srm350?

 

2. Can anyone compare srm350 to JBL Eon 10s for me?

 

3. Is it a huge difference moving from 350-450?

 

Many thanks.

Live: Fatar SL1100, Roland XV3080 with SRX-02 through a Laney CP12 (Doh!)

Home: Schimmel upright P120

Buying: Probably an FP4

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I have one of the 350's....I use it for vocal monitor and for my P120. It does have some kind of hiss/buzz, to me it seems to be sensitive to ground noises/stage lighting, I haven't really noticed anything while playing. I have 2 of the 450's...they are much better (fuller sounding,smoother)sounding I believe. I know were you can get a pair REAL CHEAP....pm me if you're interested.

I had the JBL Eon 10's as well. It's been awhile but I think the 350's are a step up from what I remember of the JBL's.

I think a PAIR of the 350's wouldn't sound bad for piano...I use the one and in some rooms I feel it sounds better (more low end) than my Motion Sound KP200 stereo amp.

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2. Can anyone compare srm350 to JBL Eon 10s for me?

 

I posted about this somewhere (maybe in this thread?)

 

I listened to music through both speakers, and while the JBLs had worse bass than the Mackies, they had smoother high end.

Moe

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I've had a pair of SRM350's for 3 years now, and I used them a lot for gigging before I got my Bose L1. The first SRM350's off the boat had a real problem with a distinct buzzing noise, but later ones didn't have this problem.

 

For gigging with a loud rock band they worked well enough, and I was happy with them. But for critical listening, well.....they just don't compare well with good studio monitors, the Bose L1, or the Tannoy PowerV8's that I recently purchased. I also compared them with the JBL Eon 10's. I was able to get more SPL and bass out of the SRM350's.

 

At only 23 lbs. each, the Tannoy's are looking like the overall winner for the kind of quieter jazz gigs that I do now. I haven't used them extensively, but will report on them when I do. Relative to the SRM 350's, they sound about as loud as the JBL's, and the sound is pure sweetness.

 

Cheers!

Bill

 

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There's a strong consensus that digital keyboards sound best when run through stereo monitors. I've long felt that a set of ruggedized studio monitors would be perfect for the typical jazz gig where major SPL's aren't needed. When the Tannoy PowerV's became available, I checked them out, and they fit my needs to a tee!

 

However, if you are playing keyboard bass, or absolutely need flat response below C2, they aren't adequate for the task unless you use a subwoofer. There is a very nice matching one available from Tannoy of you need it. I always play with a bass player, so I don't!

 

 

 

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Are you driving down to KC, MO ? Our home state!

 

When I was out in Creston, Iowa to check out the D, the people from the KC symphony were going to drive up that evening to buy it if I had passed on it.

 

I remember driving about 90 minutes out of Omaha...I went down a major freeway,then cut over on a smaller highway. I think I saw maybe a dozen cars in an hour. Nothing but cornfields and such. I was thinking...space, no one around...I really could get used to this!!....If only there were a good bass player and drummer somewhere out here, I'd be set.

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I'm back!

 

No, I went north to Edina (Minneapolis suburb), to one of the better staffed Guitar Centers I've been in. These guys deserve a shout out from me because GC gets slagged so much. But this store is very well run, and they actually go out of their way to help you, call you back when they say they will, and you know: act professionally.

 

So I went to hear the JBL PRX512Ms, but instead I came home with their big brother - the JBL PRX515s. They sounded fantastic! My keyboards sounded essentially like they do thru my studio monitors, except a lot louder. I actually had to dial back some bass on my organ and bass synth patches.

 

I've heard 2 powered PRX and one unpowered MRX speakers now, and have been very impressed in all three with the smooth and natural sounding high end.

 

The 12's didn't do it for me. They sounded respectable playing back a variety of recorded music, and actually seemed to be a bit louder with the same input level (meaningless with a powered speaker, I know - you can push the 15s more).

 

But when I went to the acid test - the Yamaha XL grand piano in my Nord Stage - the midrange of the 12s went kind of crunchy and boxy on me when I got loud. By contrast the 15s fit the piano sound like a glove.

 

After determining that I wasn't such an old fart that they were too heavy for me, I brought them home. I love the size and weight of the 12s, but the 15s are surprisingly easy to handle. They are significantly easier to toss around than my Stage in its flight case.

 

http://www.jblpro.com/products/portablesound/prx/images/PRX515_Large.jpg

 

Frequency Range: 45 Hz 20 kHz

Frequency Response: 52 Hz 20 kHz

Nominal Impedance: 64 K Ohms (balanced), 32 K Ohms (unbalanced)

Power Capacity: 500 W continuous, 1000 W peak

Rated Maximum SPL: 133 dB SPL peak

Coverage Pattern: 70º x 70º nominal

Dimensions (H x W x D): 815 mm x 440 mm x 465 mm (32 in x 17.25 in x 18.25 in)

Weight: 26 kg (57 lb)

High Frequency Driver: 1 x JBL 2408H 37.5 mm (1.5 in) annular polymer diaphragm, neodymium compression driver

Low Frequency Driver: 1 x JBL 265F 380 mm (15 in) Differential Drive® woofer

Moe

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HOORAY!!!!

 

I just sold my Mackie 450's...sucker.....no really, they were in great shape w/ nice covers. At $800, I think he got a great deal.

 

NOW...on to checking out the EV SXA 360's at the DJ store tomorrow. (That will be a first..me in a DJ store...hey, maybe I can look into new career opportunities....."I love the night life -I love to boogie-I'm a disco kinda guy yeah"......naw, I don't think it's me)

I hope this guy has the room for me to set up my P120 and a mic to check them out. I hope I like these Jazz +, they sure are the priciest of the bunch. I might try and hear the QSC HPR122i's as well.

 

I haven't ruled out the Accugrooves. I was on the horn w/ Mark from AG today, he might let me borrow a pair of the Tri112L's, that would be cool. I just need to get an amp to try them with.

Hey Bobby, can I borrow your QSC 1804 for a day?

My friend has an Acoustic Image endorsement, he said I could try out his Focus 2R. I think I'll see if I can take him up on that.

 

Bye bye Mackie's, (boo-hoo,sob) you saw me through many a gig without ever crapping out on me.

 

Now if only I could sell my Motion Sound stuff.......anyone out there?

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