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When you layer, can you set key range for a split?
Is there any way to do a split?
Can you transpose, by octave in particular?
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Must have been expensive and did'n't sound that great.
Ahead of it's time for sure!
And even now with Hybrid Pianos and the AvantGrand, Novus, etc. there is still love for the immersive timbre of a fine acoustic. Now, if these high tech electrics were actually significantly cheaper than a fine acoustic things might start to float the other way. In the meanwhile, the lower end digitals have allowed us to be mobile and also have brought affordable keyboard instruments to the masses.
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Amplitude curve settings to calm down those over powered organ high notes ?
Hmm. I wonder what would be best way to let users shape this to taste.
Maybe a LPF with sweepable cutoff and settable attenuation.
Or a parametric EQ with say 7 frequencies... and an LPF and HPF.
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This is very reminiscent of the boutique guitar pedal business. Thankfully in that arena there is still a scene, interest in not using big name manufacturing to get your sound. But yes, there's always fear of a Behringer or BOSS swooping in to copy desirable components, user interface elements, and aesthetics. These guys managed to build a following doing boutique guitar specific trade shows. But even that is fading to social media, company splash page to gauge interest and kickstarter which perhaps does it all and asks for a commitment at certain price points including early in.
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There's definitely a type of customer that prefers boutique quality built unique feature specific items over mass produced plastic stuff and don't mind the made in the US (or assembled) mark up (within reason). But yes, not being able to assess interest accurately and calculating cost and sale price is very tricky. As Scott suggested Kickstarter might be the way to go for any project you imagine doing in the future. MI being very specific market and keyboard players being just a % of that.
The thing with the Mojo61 or Sk, or Electro is that there are players that won't consider gigging a clonewheel or even these models that also offer a few ancillary sounds because they're lacking as jack-of-all trades boards... especially in the programmable synth area, but also in the other stuff one covers in a night like brass, strings and other orchestral stuff, even percussion, arps, loops, etc. Dragging a Hammond or even a clonewheel around is a luxury for any gigging player that isn't doing a straight ahead jazz, blues, gospel gig. Personally I won't carry more than two boards and the lower has to be a weighted action stage piano. The FA is a decent choice for upper tier but it lacks faders and if adding faders to it, drawbars would be preferable. A lot of people choose the Kronos or Montage, PC3K etc. with their organ engines and faders because they need a board that does a lot more than the typical clonewheel. That said, still hoping GSi will do a Mojo73 with the full Gemini dual DSP and synth engine and include more controls. Or we can dream about the older synth engine from the Nord Stage 2 trickling down to an Electro 6.
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depends on how far you want to go with this box and how much you like the other aspects of the Mojo 61.On a side topic: there's been some love for the Roland FA-07 lately.
Would it ever be in the realm of possibility that you do a single production run of the OB-1 in black?
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This Sipario MIDI Command Center looks very useful.
You could probably use it to send program change to the Mojo and your audio routing device.
https://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2871501/Lab4Music_Sipario_Midi_Command
It definitely looks a nice match for the Gemini module when using it with a pretty dumb midi controller like the Roland FP-30.
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Definitely something to email them about as owner feedback - hoping to see in firmware update?
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Another video I really don't see where Yamaha thinks it's going with this keyboard, to be honest. The kids making this sort of music aren't generally in a position to spend north of £4k on something which doesn't even really integrate with their studio (no transport controls, no audio over USB etc).
[video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-54xmiyjUrY
Yamaha doesn't always select the best match for artist demos or nail it with style of demo... But that doesn't mean the instrument isn't very capable - after all the make some of the best quality instruments in every category acoustic, digital and electric. The tough part is knowing what type of artists will connect with it and all the ways they will use it.
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Is KeyB currently making any clones other than the ones they are partnered with Viscount on? Has the Legend/Live/Solo been hobbled or crippled in some way compared to the original KeyB? Is it not their organ modeling tech with many of the enhancements they've been promising in the Legend all these years?
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The feedback from Scott on the action is disappointing to say the least.
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It's amazing the mellotron worked mechanically consistent enough to even bring to market.
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Some information from Yamaha's press kit on Genos, underlining the stuff I think is cool
Mission Statement: to inspire and empower songwriters to create finished compositions entirely within its intuitive and powerful environment while at the same time vastly improving the accompaniment features that live keyboard entertainers know and love.
Features and New Stuff: Genos features...
* nearly twice the amount of AWM2 sample ROM as the Tyros5... including gorgeous new Yamaha CFX and C7 concert grand Voices.
* Kino strings, developed with film and TV scoring in mind... stereo techniques such as panning different players in the string section to different channels
* New brass Voices
* new guitars (acoustic and electric), basses, synth leads and pads, accordions, and more.
* 256 notes of true stereo polyphony
* Articulation Element Modeling (AEM) technology automatically chooses the correct instrument articulation in real time according to the players keyboard technique: key velocity, tempo, legato versus staccato, and so on.
* Specific articulations (bowing techniques, guitar slides, brass fall-offs, and much more) using the three Articulation buttons or connected controllers such as pedals.
* new 32-bit DACs on the main outputs
* S/PDIF digital output at 24 bits.
* Expanded DSP, 28 insert effects may be stacked and distributed in any way players need even all 28 on a single Voice
* Yamaha VCM classic compressors, choruses, rotary speakers, reverbs, and much more with graphical user interfaces that recapture the look of vintage gear. New in this category are Real Reverb, numerous classic guitar and bass amp models, stompboxes, and improved rotary speaker for organ and damper resonance for piano.
* Live Control section provides nine assignable sliders and six assignable knobs. Above these is a crisp OLED strip showing the setting each knob or fader controls at any instant.
*9'' color touchscreen with updated graphics.
* Ten registration buttons (with multiple banks) save and recall virtually all Genos panel settings. Registrations can now be organized into Playlists for quick access at gigs.
* Multi Pads trigger one-shot musical phrases and hits to spice up performances
* 550 Styles from pop to jazz to classical to rock to hip-hop to EDM to regional and world flavors and beyond.
* FSX semi-weighted premium keyboard action with aftertouch, enhanced touch response for very expressive playing, and high-precision, durable construction.
* Dual Song Player lets the user crossfade smoothly between two audio Songs (or one audio and one MIDI Song).
* Arpeggios add 216 motifs and riffs to performances using MegaVoices, going far beyond the abilities of traditional arpeggiators.
* Vocal Harmony and Synth Vocoder
* Premium Packs to expand Genos capability by adding new Voices, Styles, and more. Yamaha Expansion Manager will run on Mac and PC.
* 1.8 GB of internal, non-volatile Flash memory
* WAV, AIFF, SoundFont, and REX support for original Voices and Drum Kits
* XLR-1/4'' combo mic input with phantom power
* Four sub outputs
* Outs to dedicated speaker system L, R, and Sub.
* Stereo Aux Ins
* Sustain, Articulation, and Volume pedal inputs
* Downloadable Cloud Audio Recorder app (iOS) to record via WiFi and share via SoundCloud
* Downloadable SongBook+ app (iOS) for managing scores and lyrics from an iPad
* Optional GNS-MS01 speaker system and L-7B keyboard stand
* 48 9/16" x 5 7/16" x 17 15/16"
* 28lbs 11oz
All artist videos, features videos, and styles videos
This thing is a beast, imho.
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Yeah it's a tough call for Yamaha.
Some were thrilled that the Montage was focused on performance and others mocked the simple sequencer and dirth of DAW features. I even read on a thread, granted posted by a curious fellow, that Yamaha should be ashamed of themselves for requiring a laptop with Cubase and removing the DAW due to Japan's power crises and the additional power required to run both devices.
Yes, for me - this Genos without the accompaniment features would be killer, but I'd need it for $2k give or take $200 maximum.
Hard to please them all.
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http://www.kawai-global.com/news/kawai-announces-ca98-ca78-digital-pianos/
- New: SK-EX Rendering piano sound engine (88-key multi-channel sampling + 88-key resonance modelling)
- New: Premium Onkyo audio and amp technologies (1-bit DSD processing, dual DACs, DIDRC, premium amps, Discrete SpectraModule)
- New: Premium 6-speaker configuration featuring Onkyo speaker drivers (CA98 only)
- New: 3rd generation TwinDrive Soundboard Speaker system featuring Onkyo transducers (CA98 only)
- New: Integrated Bluetooth® MIDI and Audio for wireless communication with smart devices
- New: Modern 5" LCD touchscreen display with intuitive swipe operation
- Improved: Chopin 'Etudes: Opus 10' lesson book added
- Improved: Full General MIDI sound bank for improved SMF playback
- Improved: 6-position adjustable music rest (previously 3-position) with 'composer's desk' angle
- Improved: Modernised cabinet design (thinner toeblock, repositioned KAWAI badge, cover-less front speaker openings)
http://www.kawai-global.com/product/ca98/
http://www.kawai-global.com/product/ca78/
http://www.kawai-global.com/product/ca48/
Looks like the Onkyo connection might be bumping up quality of monitoring Kawai DPs in the room with their internal amp and speakers. And the CA-48 which is replacing the CA-17 has a variant on the GF they are calling GF Compact, which appears to have an extended pivot point in comparison to the RM3 II.
- New: SK-EX Rendering piano sound engine (88-key multi-channel sampling + 88-key resonance modelling)
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Hey, Bob.
Thankfully Yamaha had their press kit and demos together for the release because I know I'd have ignored this entirely as another Tyros which I've never been interested in. But this board sounds very good! And it looks to check a lot of boxes with regard to families of sounds, fx, expandable even with user samples and Yamaha packs, lots of controls. It's fairly light and the action may very well be a better synth type than most. Plus the right amount of faders for drawbars. The styles and controls for styles I don't need for what I do. Still would like to sit down at one even if it's not exactly what I want and not in my arena. Second hand someday maybe.
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I get where you're coming from now, Bob.
I've never posted in the thread. I must be in the wrong line of work and or playing the game of LIFE incorrectly.
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https://usa.yamaha.com/products/contents/keyboards/arranger_workstations/genos/
Yamaha seems to be classifying the Genos as an Arranger and Workstation. With the Montage (successor to the Motif) now defined as more of a performance synth than workstation, it appears they folded aspects of their Motif and Tyros lines into the Genos. Focus is on Creation and Performance.
Start from the original idea of a song, pick an instrument Voice and Style of your choice. Play and work out the arrangement and capture it as a MIDI song. Then, overdub some sounds and create your demo or even your finished track.
[video:youtube]
Wide variety of functions can be assigned to the 6 knobs and 9 sliders to control your music through Genos. The Live Control view provides instant visual confirmation of your adjustments of knobs and sliders without interrupting the main display.
[video:youtube]
FSX keyboard features a premium action with aftertouch. The keys are created in a high-precision manufacturing process for an incredibly durable keybed, enhanced key stability and "fast" action. The keyboard features enhanced touch response allowing for highly expressive and dynamic performances.
From Reverb to Distortion, Rotary Speaker to Compressor, Genos boasts unprecedented DSP power. Using the same VCM technology found in Yamaha professional high-end mixing consoles, Genos has the tools to create a the perfect sound. Not only do the effects sound great, they look great toowith a stunning graphical user interface.
[video:youtube]
You can continually expand the onboard content of your Genos by creating and installing your own custom or purchased Packs. The scope of possibilities for new sounds and styles is virtually unlimited. Genos includes 1.8GB of user flash memory with high speed reading/writing for your own Voices. Yamaha Expansion Manager version 2.5 for Genos will be available from November.
The audio output of Genos has been completely redesigned to deliver professional quality Analogue outputs helping you get the most of the sounds from your keyboard. The new 32bit Digital Audio Converter (DAC) provides high quality defined sound across a wide frequency range, ensuring Genos always cuts through the mix.
Customise Live Control and store in Registration Memory.
Arpeggio Filter Control automates Live Control, adjusting filters in realtime.
Playlist -create, easily organise the list, instanly recall settings.
Audio Link MultiPad - trigger your own audio files with MultiPads.
Voices: CFX ConcertGrand, 70sSuitcaseWarm1, OrganFlutes, AltoSax, MiniClassicSoft.
[video:youtube]
Martin Harris Demos
[video:youtube]
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A lot has changed in the country in 20/30 years. Salaries, value of dollar, cost of living, and we've become dependent on cheap goods manufactured in Asia. There might be a business model that still works for a $20k keyboard but they wouldn't sell many. $5k is definitely up there these days. Heck, I cringed and passed on $5k CP1 and similar $4.5k Stage 3. Will things be different when the kids are grown and out of college, the house is paid for? I'm not sure. There aren't many people that get their contributions matched by anyone anymore or stock options, etc. All that goes in is what I can spare at the end of the month. And my rig is a business expense, depreciation, etc.
I knew I should have stayed single and stuck to collecting keyboards.
j/k I wouldn't change a thing. But priorities, that's all I'm saying.
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I have to laugh when I see some of you saying 5K for this is oh so expensive, no way you can justify it, etc. There are two scenarios being described here. OMB live gigs or retired folks home use. Either one can easily afford this.
If you're a full time player, about 30 gigs and it's paid for if you have a partner. 10-15 if it's just you. You older guys, how much did you spend 30 years ago to go on the road full time? For me it's 45 years ago (gasp). A used B3, Leslie and a Rhodes. About $3,500 in 1973. That's about 20K now. Five grand for the absolute best top of the line keyboard in today's money is dirt cheap guys.
People pay 45K for a nice pickup truck. They then load them up with jet skis, dirt bikes, camping gear, they tow boats and whatever else. How much does that all that gear cost for what's really just a hobby? Have some fun on the weekends type thing.
I know this forum is populated by stereotypical starving musicians living in our parents basements. WRONG! Plenty of money on this forum. Here we're talking about actually making money and doing serious music at home. How much do the tools cost a good auto mechanic? A carpenter? Whatever tradesman. How about scuba gear and the trips to use it? Or RC airplanes? Or golf. That ain't cheap either on an annual basis and forget about actual country club membership costs.
The Genos is totally worth it if you like arrangers. And paying for it? Most here have the money, it's just a matter of priorities and working it out.
Bob
Bob,
Very presumptuous. It's a lot of money no matter how you shake it. The only difference is ones personal financial circumstances, responsibilities, obligations. Are there people that participate here that have the wiggle room to drop this cash as a hobbiest purchase? Yes. Is it wise? Debatable. Are there those that shouldn't? Yes. Are there those that couldn't? Most definitely yes.
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I guess rack unit sales have dipped since VST/AU took off on laptops and now tablets. But nothing wrong with that, the XS rack is a nice choice for filling in the few blanks or finding an alternative patch from your Kronos. Whatever gets the job done. I'm not thrilled about using a desktop OS live, but plenty of people doing it. If I were to do it though, I'd almost definitely go with OSX an MainStage, personally.
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Side note, Yamaha Korg usually put their best stuff into these arrangers first and trickle down from there...
Okay, now you've looped back around to part of what I was clumsily attempting to say above. They just released the Montage--well, okay, last year, I think, but still, and now they throw the Genos into the mix. Seems that would to some extent invalidate the voices in the Montage, as savvy players would now wait for the Montage 2.0, i.e. the "trickle down" version. In that sense, the Genos will...not cannibalize, but maybe suppress the Montage sales, if you follow what I'm saying, as people wait for the inevitable upgrade.
Grey
When Yamaha finally sat down to do hardware for Montage, they said that the new dsp, onboard flash memory, dac etc. would be the basis for a new top of the line workstation/performance synth and arranger. I believe there is a lot of the Montage both in hardware and sound sets in the Genos.
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I suppose those that invest in arrangers are typically gigging without a band and maybe Yamaha, Korg etc. want a cut of whatever this act is saving on not needing to hire additional musicians?
Also, at this price point is the other target buyer professional song writers and they want a cut of that gig assuming they would be using their sounds, sequence and patterns royalty free?
Lastly, I imagine these are targeted to wealthy hobbyists that want the best sounds, the best patterns and live play features? There's a scene for these things, it's just not typically the bulk of players that congregate here?
Side note, Yamaha Korg usually put their best stuff into these arrangers first and trickle down from there, whatever that tells you about how important the market is. Also, are Yamaha recouping investment in sound design, programming as well as style creation that extends way beyond hardware in these machines?
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Maybe they'll do a Forte 7S (semi weight synth action).
depends on how far you want to go with this box and how much you like the other aspects of the Mojo 61.
At least I know I'm in good company. 
new Vox Continental - Some thoughts
in The Keyboard Corner
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I have to take a closer look.
So it can take lower manual midi in from a stage piano or controller?
But I I'm guessing not pedals right... or maybe so?