RABid Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Roland has released a new keyboard. Looks really nice. Quite expensive. Called the Fantom. ... ... ... Not the Fantom H, or Fantom Y, or Fantom 77. .... ... ... Just ... Fantom. Where have I heard that name before? Quote This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Hughes Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 New? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzpiano88 Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Roland Called. They're running out of Synth names. Yamaha Called, There are no new names to sell to Roland. Quote J a z z P i a n o 8 8 -- Yamaha C7D Montage M8x | CP300 | CP4 | SK1-73 | OB6 | Seven K8.2 | 3300 | CPSv.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Motif Max Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Roland is the worst in that regard. They have the FA boards (FA-06, FA-07, & FA-08), but there was already the FA-76 (the original Fantom) from 2002. Also making a VR-730 as an upgraded VR-09, when the old models were VR-700 and VR-760. Archeologists in the future are going to have a heck of a time figuring out the different generations of Rolands. Quote Yamaha: Motif XF8, MODX7, YS200, CVP-305, CLP-130, YPG-235, PSR-295, PSS-470 | Roland: Fantom 7, JV-1000 Kurzweil: PC3-76, PC4 (88) | Hammond: SK Pro 73 | Korg: Triton LE 76, N1R, X5DR | Emu: Proteus/1 | Casio: CT-370 | Novation: Launchkey 37 MK3 | Technics: WSA1R Former: Emu Proformance Plus & Mo'Phatt, Korg Krome 61, Roland Fantom XR & JV-1010, Yamaha MX61, Behringer CAT Assorted electric & acoustic guitars and electric basses | Roland TD-17 KVX | Alesis SamplePad Pro | Assorted organs, accordions, other instruments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Piano Man Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 I quite like the clean approach of Nord, whereby each different model is given a different name; Stage Piano Electro Lead and each new model is just given the next number; Piano Piano 2 Piano 3 Piano 4 My only issue with this approach is that I, personally, do not like seeing the number on the back panel of the board. For example, I"d prefer if the next Piano model was called Piano 5, but just had this on the main panel in small writing. On the back panel, beside the connections, it could just say 'Nord Piano'. Anyway, just my rambling thoughts! Quote Kurzweil PC3x Technics SX-P50 Korg X3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted May 16, 2020 Author Share Posted May 16, 2020 Korg is not much better, calling the third Kronos the Kronos 2. But, at least they are producing keyboards. It still bothers me the Access has abandoned the Virus after the TI2 and started to focus all of their development on a modeling guitar amp. The world really needs another guitar amp. Quote This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nightime Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Korg is not much better, calling the third Kronos the Kronos 2. But, at least they are producing keyboards. It still bothers me the Access has abandoned the Virus after the TI2 and started to focus all of their development on a modeling guitar amp. The world really needs another guitar amp. That's because guitar players will always buy the next, newest thing. Look at how many of them have rooms full of guitars. Quote "In the beginning, Adam had the blues, 'cause he was lonesome. So God helped him and created woman. Now everybody's got the blues." Willie Dixon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokely Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Roland VR-760 is years before the VR-700, both called the V-combo. Er, what? Kawai with their MP series...MP7e being newer than yes, the MP7 but also the MP6, 8, and 10. I really hate re-use of old names for things that are years newer and not the same thing under the hood at all--but obviously they want to cash in on old names. Could be worse though: Xbox (2001) Xbox 360 (2005) Xbox 360 S (2010) Xbox 360 E (2013) Xbox One (2013) Xbox One S (2016) Xbox One X (2017) Xbox Series X (2020) "Xbox Series X" is quite possibly the worst name ever. It manages to be both bad by itself and confusing compared to the next-most-recent version that will probably still be for sale (totally different architecture). Confusing enough that I expect it's to try to fool customers into buying the older Xbox One X thinking they are getting the new one (gotta get rid of old stock somehow!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnector Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 I'm waiting for someone to label their next synth with nothing more than Elvish runes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Mike Metlay Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 I'm waiting for someone to label their next synth with nothing more than Elvish runes. Waiting for? Man, you haven"t looked at boutique Eurorack recently, have you? Quote Dr. Mike Metlay (PhD in nuclear physics, golly gosh) Musician, Author, Editor, Educator, Impresario, Online Radio Guy, Cut-Rate Polymath, and Kindly Pedant Editor-in-Chief, Bjooks ~ Author of SYNTH GEMS 1 clicky!: more about me ~ my radio station (and my fam) ~ my local tribe ~ my day job ~ my book ~ my music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRollins Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 Archeologists in the future are going to have a heck of a time figuring out the different generations of Rolands. Actually, they won't have any trouble at all. Anything an archeologist can't explain at first sight is clearly: a) A religious ritual. b) A sport. So with that firmly in mind, the hypothetical future archeologist discovering a Roland will have to decide between: a) An instrument that they play in church (actually, this is probably right at least some of the time). b) An instrument that they played that little dah-de-da-dah-da-dah riff on at baseball games (uh...maybe also right some of the time, but surely it's overkill...wouldn't they just use a recorded riff these days?). Grey Quote I'm not interested in someone's ability to program. I'm interested in their ability to compose and play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRollins Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 That's because guitar players will always buy the next, newest thing. Look at how many of them have rooms full of guitars. Nah...guitarists don't want the newest thing, they want the next, oldest thing...kinda like keyboard players and Hammonds. Grey Quote I'm not interested in someone's ability to program. I'm interested in their ability to compose and play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRollins Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 I'm waiting for someone to label their next synth with nothing more than Elvish runes. Waiting for? Man, you haven"t looked at boutique Eurorack recently, have you? I refuse to buy anything from Make Noise for the good and simple reason that I cannot read the damned labels under the knobs. Grey Quote I'm not interested in someone's ability to program. I'm interested in their ability to compose and play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnector Posted May 16, 2020 Share Posted May 16, 2020 I'm waiting for someone to label their next synth with nothing more than Elvish runes. Waiting for? Man, you haven"t looked at boutique Eurorack recently, have you? I refuse to buy anything from Make Noise for the good and simple reason that I cannot read the damned labels under the knobs. Grey Well...Not including those! Not a modular guy. (thank god) I've got enough hardware & software synths to fill my needs without going down that bottomless rabbit hole! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted May 17, 2020 Author Share Posted May 17, 2020 I used to have the same problems with some of the Ohm Force VSTi's. Quote This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ledbetter Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 After over fifty years, Moog has produced the Moog One. Quote Kawai KG-2C, Nord Stage 3 73, Electro 4D, 5D and Lead 2x, Moog Voyager and Little Phatty Stage II, Slim Phatty, Roland Lucina AX-09, Hohner Piano Melodica, Spacestation V3, pair of QSC 8.2s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyRude Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 hmmm... Did the Commodore 64 have 63 predecessors? Quote Some music I've recorded and played over the years with a few different bands Tommy Rude Soundcloud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundown Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 I really hate re-use of old names for things that are years newer and not the same thing under the hood at all--but obviously they want to cash in on old names. Roland gets a 'D' on this one... Case in point, the Jupiter 80. Whether it's a decent standalone instrument or not isn't the point, but it certainly wasn't the Jupiter people were expecting. Quote Sundown Working on: The Jupiter Bluff; Driven Away Main axes: Kawai MP11 and Kurz PC361 DAW Platform: Cubase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analogika Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 Korg is not much better, calling the third Kronos the Kronos 2. But, at least they are producing keyboards. It still bothers me the Access has abandoned the Virus after the TI2 and started to focus all of their development on a modeling guitar amp. The world really needs another guitar amp. To be fair, the Kemper has become the de facto standard stage amplifier for what feels like most European touring productions. It's a massive hit. Quote "The Angels of Libra are in the European vanguard of the [retro soul] movement" (Bill Buckley, Soul and Jazz and Funk) The Drawbars | off jazz organ trio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analogika Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 hmmm... Did the Commodore 64 have 63 predecessors? I'll bet they didn't have to think about that one bit. Quote "The Angels of Libra are in the European vanguard of the [retro soul] movement" (Bill Buckley, Soul and Jazz and Funk) The Drawbars | off jazz organ trio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analogika Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 I really hate re-use of old names for things that are years newer and not the same thing under the hood at all--but obviously they want to cash in on old names. Roland gets a 'D' on this one... Case in point, the Jupiter 80. Whether it's a decent standalone instrument or not isn't the point, but it certainly wasn't the Jupiter people were expecting. They'd had a "Juno" series going on for a number of years before they put out the Jupiter 80, though. The thinking was "Juno = budget series" and "Jupiter = flagship series". At least they didn't give the board the SAME name, like Korg did with the CX-3 â that one really galls me. Quote "The Angels of Libra are in the European vanguard of the [retro soul] movement" (Bill Buckley, Soul and Jazz and Funk) The Drawbars | off jazz organ trio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Motif Max Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 hmmm... Did the Commodore 64 have 63 predecessors? I'll bet they didn't have to think about that one bit. Quote Yamaha: Motif XF8, MODX7, YS200, CVP-305, CLP-130, YPG-235, PSR-295, PSS-470 | Roland: Fantom 7, JV-1000 Kurzweil: PC3-76, PC4 (88) | Hammond: SK Pro 73 | Korg: Triton LE 76, N1R, X5DR | Emu: Proteus/1 | Casio: CT-370 | Novation: Launchkey 37 MK3 | Technics: WSA1R Former: Emu Proformance Plus & Mo'Phatt, Korg Krome 61, Roland Fantom XR & JV-1010, Yamaha MX61, Behringer CAT Assorted electric & acoustic guitars and electric basses | Roland TD-17 KVX | Alesis SamplePad Pro | Assorted organs, accordions, other instruments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marino Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 I really hate re-use of old names for things that are years newer and not the same thing under the hood at all--but obviously they want to cash in on old names. Roland gets a 'D' on this one... Case in point, the Jupiter 80. Whether it's a decent standalone instrument or not isn't the point, but it certainly wasn't the Jupiter people were expecting. And the new Junos, the newer Jupiters (X and XM), the RD pianos, the "boutique" clones... But also Korg, with two distant generations of CX-3 organs with an identical name... and weren't there two different digital pianos named SD-1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboKeys Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 I really hate re-use of old names for things that are years newer and not the same thing under the hood at all--but obviously they want to cash in on old names. Vox Continental? Really? Well it's a similar (but not quite the same) color and comes with a chrome stand ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmapp8306 Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 Like I have.... with a room full of keyboards next to them..... Quote Roland RD2000, FA07 (soon to be Fantom7), Legend EXP, Peak, Virus Ti2 Desktop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Emm Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 Names are all too often excruciating neo-serial-numbers or fanciful constructs that have no meaningful relationship to the actual instrument. Its often a bit of amusement on top of an otherwise serious consideration. There's an odd sort of macho/sci-fi aroma to "MiniBrute," "Quantum" or the immortal Metasonix "Assblaster". In reality, there's not much ground between the engineers, the marketing branch and our burning desire for the latest releases. People may ooh and aah at your live rig, but part of the deal is to impress the in-crowd who knows what a Numa is. Admit it. I predict that eventually, someone will release an impressive synth named The Hammer of God. It'll sell because it sounds good & has a passable build, but half of it will be the controversy, some mad logo and the bragging rights: "Yeah, I play The Hammer of God, baby." Quote "I like that rapper with the bullet in his nose!" "Yeah, Bulletnose! One sneeze and the whole place goes up!" ~ "King of the Hill" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmapp8306 Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 A bit like Nord with their stage, piano, Electro as mentioned earlier - Roland kind of have the same thing. Fantom = workstation Jupiter = flagship synth Juno = budget synth VR = organ In some ways its better - because you know what kind of thing your looking at. If you have a name you like - why change it. For those in the UK/Europe. Ford Escort Mk 1, Mk2, Mk3, Mk4 ..... How many VW Golfs have we had? then theres apple iphone 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8, - OK they didnt have a 9 ..... , the to keep up Samsung Galaxy 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,20 - jumped a whole 10 in one go there. Why are we singling Roland out here? Quote Roland RD2000, FA07 (soon to be Fantom7), Legend EXP, Peak, Virus Ti2 Desktop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Dan Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 They should just partner up and produce one keyboard to get it all out of their system before starting fresh with a new round of names....call it the Jupiter Kronos Stage X Pro. Quote Dan Acoustic/Electric stringed instruments ranging from 4 to 230 strings, hammered, picked, fingered, slapped, and plucked. Analog and Digital Electronic instruments, reeds, and throat/mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUSSIEKEYS Posted May 19, 2020 Share Posted May 19, 2020 I should like to call my new synth "Bob" Hey Baldrick? Thats a good name for a strapping new synth. "Bob" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted May 19, 2020 Author Share Posted May 19, 2020 A bit like Nord with their stage, piano, Electro as mentioned earlier - Roland kind of have the same thing. Fantom = workstation Jupiter = flagship synth Juno = budget synth VR = organ ... That is a good point, but they need a better way to distinguish between year models. Way back the Emu XL-7 was my favorite piece of gear. I was so mad when a car company released a little SUV named XL-7. Quote This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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