Muad’Dib Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 I am a fan of John Carpenter"s music, and he plays in 5/4 time. I was curious, if anyone one on here has played in 5/4 time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Motif Max Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Yes, only one song though (played at two churches and on recording). "How Deep the Father's Love For Us" is a modern hymn by Stuart Townend, and it's in 5/4. Just count it as 4 + 1. Quote Yamaha: Motif XF8, MODX7, YS200, CVP-305, CLP-130, YPG-235, PSR-295, PSS-470 | Roland: Fantom 7, JV-1000 Kurzweil: PC3-76, PC4 (88) | Hammond: SK Pro 73 | Korg: Triton LE 76, N1R, X5DR | Emu: Proteus/1 | Casio: CT-370 | Novation: Launchkey 37 MK3 | Technics: WSA1R Former: Emu Proformance Plus & Mo'Phatt, Korg Krome 61, Roland Fantom XR & JV-1010, Yamaha MX61, Behringer CAT Assorted electric & acoustic guitars and electric basses | Roland TD-17 KVX | Alesis SamplePad Pro | Assorted organs, accordions, other instruments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Lobo Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Yes. Take 5. Quote These are only my opinions, not supported by any actual knowledge, experience, or expertise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElmerJFudd Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 I played in 5/4 time hear. I hear in 5/4. I played in 5/4 time here. Doesn"t bother me. But this is KC, and it piqued the peak of my interest. So I gave it a peek. The feel is most commonly 3+2 or 2+3. I suppose a tune could feel like 4+1. Quote Yamaha CP88, Casio PX-560 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coker Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 I"ve played Take Five in one group in every gig for the last 51 years. Quote CA93, MODX8, YC88, K8.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Odd meters are almost always kept track of (counted and felt) by being broken down such as: 5/4 is counted ||: 1 2 3 | 1 2 :|| "Take Five" is the standard tune in 5/4. 7/4 is counted 1 2 3 4 | 1 2 3 (or maybe 1 2 3 | 1 2 3 4 ) My 13/8 is counted fast: 1 2 3 | 1 2 | 1 2 | 1 2 3 | 1 2 3 | So they are not mysterious, just rare and need to be practiced a lot in order to gain familiarity with. Quote Find 660 of my jazz piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Harry was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad’Dib Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 Got it! Thank You Jazz+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Hey, I can hack up Take 5 with the best of them. Quote Moe --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewImprov Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Yes, here's a track from my old band Xenat-Ra 555, from our 2012 lp Science for the Soundman. The first part of the tune is based on a riff I stole from a carnatic music piece, it's alternating bars of 5/4 and 5/8, and then every 5th time through the cycle, there's a bar of 5/16, followed by a break. The fact that it came out to 5:55 was purely coincidence. Quote Turn up the speaker Hop, flop, squawk It's a keeper -Captain Beefheart, Ice Cream for Crow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coker Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 I like to toy with the bass player by improvising three 3s and a 1 over two measures of his 5/4. It"s almost as good as 'detuning one of his strings and not telling him which one I touched.' Quote CA93, MODX8, YC88, K8.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cedar Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 My organ trio has stolen this 5/4 version of Gone with the wind. It's fun to play, [video:youtube] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 I've tried, but I find it Impossible. [video:youtube] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamanczarek Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 I've played "Living in the Past" by Jethro Tull which might be the only hit Rock song in 5/4. Quote C3/122, M102A, Vox V301H, Farfisa Compact, Gibson G101, GEM P, RMI 300A, Piano Bass, Pianet , Prophet 5 rev. 2, Pro-One, Matrix 12, OB8, Korg MS20, Jupiter 6, Juno 60, PX-5S, Nord Stage 3 Compact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajstan Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 'Touch and Go' by The Cars is in 5/4 (well, the intro and verses anyway). Does #37 on the US charts count as a hit? Quote Nord Stage 3 HA88, Nord Stage 3 Compact, Casio CT-S1, Radial Key Largo, Westone AM Pro 30, Rolls PM55P, K&M 18880 + 18881, Bose S1 Pro, JBL 305p MKII, Zoom Q2n-4K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboyNQ Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 7/4 is counted 1 2 3 4 | 1 2 3 (or maybe 1 2 3 | 1 2 3 4 ) I remember when I first learned Pink Floyd's "Money" having to physically count out loud so I could play the keys on the correct beats. It's pretty tricky for a newcomer because in that song there's a heavy accent on the 7 and the 1. Years later, auditioning singers using this song: It was amazing how many struggled to cope with the timing, even though they thought they "knew" the song, due to it being very popular and regularly played on radio. The 7/4 just did their head in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barryjam Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Does Anybody Know What Time It Is: 4/4, 5/4, 3/4, 4/4, all within a few measures. Quote Barry Home: Steinway L, Montage 8 Gigs: Yamaha CP88, Crumar Mojo 61, A&H SQ5 mixer, ME1 IEM, MiPro 909 IEMs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursers Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 I've also done 7/4 when playing synth in Jesus Christ Superstar - forgotten the name of the song but it's where Jesus is in the marketplace and everyone's begging him to heal them. I used to just mentally count '1,2,3,4,5,6,7' over and over but Jazz+ 's suggestion is heaps better Quote The Keyboard Chronicles Podcast Check out your fellow forumites in an Apple Music playlist Check out your fellow forumites in a Spotify playlist My Music: Stainless Fields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricBarker Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 One of my favorite is 11/4: 5/4 + 6/4 But I'm a total sucker for 7/8 and 7/4. A lot of my original music is in 7/8. I even wrote a news theme for a morning news show in 7/8. People think it's going to be strange, but 7/8 is an extremely natural groove. I describe it as "a bassa that doesn't right itself". Quote Puck Funk! Equipment: Laptop running lots of nerdy software, some keyboards, noise makersâ¦yada yada yadaâ¦maybe a cat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJUSCULE Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 One of my favourite odd-time arrangements/performances. [video:youtube] Quote Eric Website Gear page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reezekeys Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 When it comes to 5/4 time, we can all learn from the great Austin McBride: [video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK_j2LE07G0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Williams Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 In JC Superstar, Everything's All Right ("Try not to get worried...") is in 5/4. Its rhythm is similar to Take 5, with a swing triplet feel that could almost be called 15/8. There's another 5/4 section when Pilate is trying to talk to Jesus, before having him flogged. An early 7/4 section is in Heaven on Their Minds, "Tables, Chairs and oaken chests / Would have suited Jesus best" "Does Anybody Know..." feels like 5/8 if I want to be pedantic. I haven't played 'em, but the opening of Tarkus and the initial loud electronic section of Trilogy are both in 5. In both case, the rhythm is unusual even for 5: "P.P.P..P..", where "P" is the accented pulse, the reverse of Mission Impossible's "P..P..P.P." groove. If you like Tull, the 2nd or 3rd section of Thick as a Brick ("See there, a son is born, and we pronounce him fit to fight") is in 5. Quote -Tom Williams {First Name} {at} AirNetworking {dot} com PC4-7, PX-5S, AX-Edge, PC361 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_tour Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Only by accident. Like some others above, though, I've played a bunch in 7 (7/8 or 7/4). Obviously "Money," everybody knows that, but there's some good legit music in 7 as well. It's less confusing to me than playing in 5, for some reason. Plus, I don't like the tune "Take Five," so I don't play it, and Bill Evans' "Five" isn't in 5, it's just melody in five-tuplets over four, but I don't play that tune either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timwat Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 A fair amount of contemporary jazz I run into is in odd meter. I find there is a mental switch that can sometimes go on, that makes it easier to just feel it without relying on counting. A lot of math rock (prog or metal in odd meter) suffers from the counting syndrome, or reliance on a droning ostinato (someone once referred to that as a "whore's crutch"). In another neighborhood, to my ears, is something like Metheny's First Circle (in 22/8) or Bill Bruford's Earthworks acoustic jazz project, where despite odd meter, the lack of a slavish adherence to the bar line just makes it feel...like music: [video:youtube] Quote .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyS Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Ya,,, I played an arrangement of ' Send In the Clowns' in 5 ,,,was interesting and fun,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Motif Max Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 The feel is most commonly 3+2 or 2+3. I suppose a tune could feel like 4+1. It's probably just that particular song. That's how I feel it anyways. [video:youtube] FWIW I've done a fair bit of music in 15/16, 11/8 & 11/16, 9/8, 7/8 and 7/4. I play a lot of Balkan folk music on accordion so that's where those come in. Love that stuff. 15/16 and 11/16 are tied for my favorite music. It's hard to explain the counting in writing for any of those. Sometimes "western" music is boring. More standard would be the numerous tunes using 2/2, 2/4, 3/4, 3/8, 4/4, 6/8, 6/4, 12/8 and 12/4. ALSO I have a song in 22/16 that I'm working on. That is a [font:Arial Black]nightmare[/font]. Quote Yamaha: Motif XF8, MODX7, YS200, CVP-305, CLP-130, YPG-235, PSR-295, PSS-470 | Roland: Fantom 7, JV-1000 Kurzweil: PC3-76, PC4 (88) | Hammond: SK Pro 73 | Korg: Triton LE 76, N1R, X5DR | Emu: Proteus/1 | Casio: CT-370 | Novation: Launchkey 37 MK3 | Technics: WSA1R Former: Emu Proformance Plus & Mo'Phatt, Korg Krome 61, Roland Fantom XR & JV-1010, Yamaha MX61, Behringer CAT Assorted electric & acoustic guitars and electric basses | Roland TD-17 KVX | Alesis SamplePad Pro | Assorted organs, accordions, other instruments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Motif Max Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 I've tried, but I find it Impossible. [video:youtube] That one I can play through alright. Of all things though, I never knew it was 5/4; I just "felt" it. Oh, the joys of learning something by ear as a kid. Quote Yamaha: Motif XF8, MODX7, YS200, CVP-305, CLP-130, YPG-235, PSR-295, PSS-470 | Roland: Fantom 7, JV-1000 Kurzweil: PC3-76, PC4 (88) | Hammond: SK Pro 73 | Korg: Triton LE 76, N1R, X5DR | Emu: Proteus/1 | Casio: CT-370 | Novation: Launchkey 37 MK3 | Technics: WSA1R Former: Emu Proformance Plus & Mo'Phatt, Korg Krome 61, Roland Fantom XR & JV-1010, Yamaha MX61, Behringer CAT Assorted electric & acoustic guitars and electric basses | Roland TD-17 KVX | Alesis SamplePad Pro | Assorted organs, accordions, other instruments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthaholic Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 I've played "Living in the Past" by Jethro Tull which might be the only hit Rock song in 5/4. I still play that one fairly regularly. I like singing it and playing the flute parts. Quote The fact there's a Highway To Hell and only a Stairway To Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic numbers People only say "It's a free country" when they're doing something shitty-Demetri Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GRollins Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 "Everyone who likes prog, raise their hands." [Grey raises hand] The teacher casts a stern and disapproving eye on Grey. "You! I might have known!" "Damn straight!" Heart of the Sunrise has that section following the intro where Steve Howe and Chris Squire are playing two entirely different tempos...waiting...waiting...until their riffs sync and they tear back into the main riff together. A bloody tour de force. I nearly wore the grooves off that album (Fragile, Yes). Wakeman, bless 'im, is off on some other tangent and I just love it. Years later I read that not only are they on different tempos, they're both oddball tempos, like 13/8 against 11/8 or something. Someone here will know. I never bothered to count the thing, I just ran it in my head and played it the way they did. Count it? That way madness lies. It's challenging enough to play non-4/4 (or 3/4) tempos, but to pull off two different tempos simultaneously? Brilliant! Anyway, prog's just eat up with cool stuff like that. And then there's jazz, as noted above. Brubeck opened that up. I always wanted Dave Brubeck to play with Bill Bruford, but as far as I know, it never happened. There are occasional classical pieces, too, but I think it's mostly a prog and jazz thing. I hear that kind of stuff in my head all the time. Makes for interesting times when I try to write it down, no better at theory and writing than I am. Oh, blast, now I've got Heart of the Sunrise going in my head. Time to cue up some Yes... Grey Quote I'm not interested in someone's ability to program. I'm interested in their ability to compose and play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moj Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Trumpeter Don Ellis' cutting-edge big band composition in 5/4 'Indian Lady' is one I played in my college stage band. The hardest one, for me, was a chart in 9/4. It was a ballad, slow tempo and hard to count w/o messing-up. [video:youtube] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bosendorphen Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 I've played ELP's "Eruption" live (from Tarkus - and yes I have video!) My band have an original that's got several sections in 5/4. We've played quite a few originals in asymmetrical meters including an original of mine I wrote in 1982 that's in 4/4, 7/4, 11/8 and 13/4. Fun stuff! What got me started on odd meters in high school was playing things in my Jazz Workshop class by Hank Levy (like "Indra" in 9/4) and Frank Zappa. Soon after I discovered RTF and Mahavishnu Orchestra and prog rock. Bless the 1970s! Quote "The devil take the poets who dare to sing the pleasures of an artist's life." - Gottschalk Soundcloud Aethellis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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