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#2410724 - 05/11/12 12:32 PM A Bach Thread
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Today I am listening to this old TV show from 2000. Andrei Gavrilov is performing Well Tempered Clavier Book I. Something he says in the beginning before Prelude in C major is how difficult it is too play in C major because there are no black keys. I never thought about it before I think he is right. It is hard to really dig in if there aren't any black keys.



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#2410731 - 05/11/12 12:49 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: CEB]
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Years back I heard a performance on public tv of No.1 performed on a clavichord. It was a revelation. Such nuance and passion! And then...I bought a clavichord and got to try it for myself. The instrument is so intimate, so tender, that the works take on a new meaning. Digging in is not necessary. Think floating.

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#2410732 - 05/11/12 12:49 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: CEB]
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I had a teacher that said it was one of the hardest scales to play and I agree, especially to play clean.
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#2410739 - 05/11/12 01:31 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: Outkaster]
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No Bach thread should be complete without mentioning the Canadian pianist Angela Hewitt. She's so lyrical in her touch and interpretations. She's all over utube so easy to find. She plays Faziloi pianos exclusively too btw.



And yes, C major is the hardest major scale to play.
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#2410742 - 05/11/12 01:40 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: Dave Ferris]
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#2410744 - 05/11/12 02:48 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: Jazz+]
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Bach, eh? Let's take a minute and listen to one of the Maestros:

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#2444441 - 10/10/12 07:30 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: Cygnus64]
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This is kind of fun. Around the 25:25 the Tocatta and Fugue (BWV 565) is a tour de force on organ but it is interesting on piano. I like the cleanness of the piano doing this piece. I might play with this.



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#2444446 - 10/10/12 07:43 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: CEB]
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Great thread! Gin and tonic for us Bachaholics, LOL.

Seriously, I'm not addicted to Bach but listen to his music regularly and run through some of his music on guitar, flute and mandolin - not on a professional level, that takes HARD WORK..... two four letter words in a row.
It's very beneficial in lots of ways, and the skills you learn carry over to pop music.

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#2444451 - 10/10/12 07:47 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: Cygnus64]
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Bach, eh? Let's take a minute and listen to one of the Maestros:


Whoah! The man has some awesome tone.
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#2444470 - 10/10/12 08:33 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: CEB]
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A thread about J.S.Bach on a Keyboard forum must feature THIS man:



A true genious when playing Bach (and many other things, of course)

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#2444474 - 10/10/12 08:45 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: non c'e futuro]
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I'm learning Bach's Capriccio from Partita no. 2 in C minor for my piano exam at the moment, and I'm amazed how difficult it is!

It doesn't look too bad on the page, but obviously my brain isn't wired up for Bach. Six months in, I'm getting there, but it's been a struggle - although totally worth it.

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#2444481 - 10/10/12 09:00 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: nickd]
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Good stuff, Sinfonias are very interesting to play as well. Finding that third voice is a challenge and fun.
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#2444508 - 10/10/12 10:17 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: Fusker]
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The cantata No. 29 from "Wir Danken Dir Gott" has probably the most famous Sinfonia, but a bit of trivia: Bach plagiarized from everyone, even himself- that is actually the Violin Partita in E Major, a major performance work for solo violin. (Also the first piece on Walter Carlos' Switched-On Bach.)

..Joe


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#2444513 - 10/10/12 10:36 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: joegerardi]
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I'm getting goosebumps just sitting here and thinking of certain moments in St. Anne's Fugue. No other composer does that to me. Bach is truly sublime.
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#2444528 - 10/10/12 11:32 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: mate stubb]
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I'm sick with high fever, but I'll try to assemble some random thoughts on Bach....

- His constant, absolute excellence of musical quality, even in the simplest tunes that he wrote for wife and children, is almost superhuman.

- When some of my student plays, say, the C minor French Suite for me, I always marvel at the magic of that music - and I've heard it for more than 40 years!

- It's the most difficult composer to play on the piano. The Bb minor fugue from WTC I is totally unforgiving; it's absolute clarity, or you sound like an amateur.

- At the same time, it sounds good on steel drums, xilophone, whistling, glassharmonica, even accordion.... (well, almost) grin - IF you you play these instruments *well*. smile

- A *whole* cantata every week! Wow! freak

My very humble homage:
Prelude in D major from WTC I



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#2444532 - 10/10/12 11:46 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: marino]
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Cool. To play Bach you have to have your shit together.
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#2444539 - 10/10/12 12:15 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: ksoper]
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Originally Posted By: ksoper
Years back I heard a performance on public tv of No.1 performed on a clavichord. It was a revelation. Such nuance and passion! And then...I bought a clavichord and got to try it for myself. The instrument is so intimate, so tender, that the works take on a new meaning. Digging in is not necessary. Think floating.

K.


I'd like to hear more about your clavichord sometime. Fretted or unfretted? What's it like playing with vibrato? Does it stay in tune?

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#2444540 - 10/10/12 12:16 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: marino]
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Originally Posted By: marino
- At the same time, it sounds good on steel drums, xilophone, whistling, glassharmonica, even accordion.... (well, almost) grin - IF you you play these instruments *well*. smile
Most Bach even sounds good when played by a machine, with a cheesy synth tone. It's about the only thing that's tolerable played that way. I remember this from when canned sequenced hold music started to appear, back in the 80's IIRC.

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#2444581 - 10/10/12 03:24 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: JeffLearman]
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Ah, Bach.

Sorry, just couldn't resist.


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#2444589 - 10/10/12 04:11 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: vortmaxx]
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I too could not resist.
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#2444613 - 10/10/12 05:31 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: Pale]
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So how do we feel about Cameron Carpenter's interpretations of Bach?



Virgil Fox pissed a lot of purest off too, but in my opinion, if Cameron can get some new folks listening that wouldn't have bothered before, then a little (?) bit of flamboyant isn't such a bad thing.
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#2444617 - 10/10/12 05:42 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: CEB]
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Originally Posted By: CEB
...how difficult it is too play in C major because there are no black keys. I never thought about it before I think he is right. It is hard to really dig in if there aren't any black keys.

No question. For me, my favorite keys to play in are Ab and Db. Some of this has to do with the fact a lot of the urban gospel repertoire is in these keys. But beyond that, I think they just feel better under my hands. Playing on all whites sort of lacks tactual context so to speak.
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#2444650 - 10/10/12 09:42 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: mate stubb]
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Originally Posted By: mate_stubb
I'm getting goosebumps just sitting here and thinking of certain moments in St. Anne's Fugue. No other composer does that to me. Bach is truly sublime.


You have no idea how universal this is. I remember the first Bach piece I heard years ago moved me to tears - before I even knew who the composer was. And I come from a very different musical background - western music forms a very small fraction of my listening. I still can't tell one piece from another, why the key scale is mentioned, or what the heck a fugue is. And I've seen similar reactions from friends who are accomplished musicians in the Indian classical tradition - even the die-hard purists who don't listen to any western music.

Thanks for this thread, and the posts in it.
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#2444652 - 10/10/12 10:07 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: Les Mizzell]
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So how do we feel about Cameron Carpenter's interpretations of Bach?


That was entertaining. It's certainly the freshest interpretation of D moll I have heard. He gets a bit carried away with the embellishments from time to time for me, but I'll bet old Bach would be smiling. JS was said to be a thunderous improviser.

He has incredible facility on the pistons, and that organ has crazy dynamics.
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#2444674 - 10/11/12 05:17 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: mate stubb]
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The interpretation doesn't bother me too much. The sissy-boy spangly shirt? Yeah. That should go.

For me it's the Bach Aria from the 3rd Orchestral Suite. That piece can move me at any time. It can be either celebratory, melancholy, or just plain sad. Played quite loudly, it never gets harsh.

To me, the best single composition out there.

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#2444699 - 10/11/12 07:13 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: joegerardi]
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Some of my own thoughts on Bach:

-I will be wrestling with the WTC until the day I die and my life will have been greatly enriched as a result.

-Every piano bench should have a book of Bach's 'other misc' works (Little Preludes and Fugues, etc) in it. Some of the pieces in there are quite approachable with limited ability and yet they too are excellent.

-Playing Bach helps me with bebop lines immensely.

-Glenn Gould was and is the man in my book.

-I can't believe the Brandenburgs sat unopened for so many years. Imagine writing such an incredible work for someone and them not even acknowledging it. Did Bach even hear them performed in his lifetime?
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#2444705 - 10/11/12 07:39 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: Bobadohshe]
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As a guitarist, I have to mention a couple CDs that are superb, but off the beaten track:
Bach - Four Suites for Orchestra - Brazilian Guitar Quartet - they really nailed it! Not just for guitar fans.
And Hubert Kappel did a fabulous guitar version of Partita #6 in E minor, although it's still better on keyboard. I don't remember the name of the CD, but I'm sure his website mentions it.
On mandolin, Chris Thile and Mike Marshall play Bach great - I wish they'd do a whole album of it.

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#2444718 - 10/11/12 08:26 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: Eric Iverson]
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Here's some Bach for you--

Marino's "Bach to the Future"
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#2444721 - 10/11/12 08:35 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: Bobadohshe]
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Originally Posted By: Bobadohshe

-I can't believe the Brandenburgs sat unopened for so many years.

Bach was basically forgotten for 100 years, his sons were better known. It wasn't til the mid- 1800s that there was a revival, largely due to Mendelssohn and Schumann. The violin sonatas (among the masterpieces of classical music) were found in a fish shop. Someone was wrapping fish with Bach manuscripts (probably copies).

This happens quite a bit with classical. The dreaded "Pachelbel Canon" was unknown until the 1970s when it was used in the movie "Ordinary People". Damn you Robert Redford! laugh Even in the 30 years I've been a pro, some composers have definitely gone in and out of favor: Sibelius is now a 3 hit wonder. Liszt is disappearing, Debussy too. Mahler has gone from obscure to overplayed. American classical music has come down to 3 people: Copland, Barber and Bernstein.(and Gershwin of course). All the other great classical American composers like Howard Hanson have basically become Jeopardy! questions.

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#2444731 - 10/11/12 08:53 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: Cygnus64]
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More to The point, the Brandenburgs were little more than a throwaway album of music composed over several years. Bach wanted a new job, and thought that the margrave of Brandenburg would be more likely to give it him with a little "grease." Read the fawning dedication, and how many times old Johann used the term "Your Highness..."

Didn't work though: he had to stay at Köthen.

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#2444852 - 10/11/12 05:44 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: non c'e futuro]
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I learned Bach's "Prelude and Fugue in C major" on the organ, when I was a teenager (many moons ago). It sound good on the piano as well (without the bass line). Bach has influenced my compositions over the years. Sometimes when I perform a Bach tune, I can feel "his spirit" taking over my hands. I'm sure it's just my imagination, but that is what great music can do to you!
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#2444854 - 10/11/12 05:58 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: David Loving]
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Here's some Bach for you--

Marino's "Bach to the Future"

Thanks a lot Daviel. smile
Only thing, you linked to one of the only two pieces on the album that aren't Bach pieces! I have had the impudence of including two pieces of mine in that work, written "in style" and humbly dedicated to the Master.

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#2444864 - 10/11/12 08:34 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: marino]
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My mistake! I thought 99 cents was too cheap.

The Complete Album

A regular on my iPod rotation


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#2454797 - 12/07/12 08:08 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: David Loving]
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Adding this here for future reference.

Too rushed but would make a killer octave study. I may try this if my wrists will take it. Age ( or bad technique) is catching up with me lately.

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#2454833 - 12/07/12 09:14 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: CEB]
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I prefer keys where the root is a natural and the 3 is sharp or flat. Those fit my hand as middle fingers stick out further than my thumb. I don't like keys where 1 and 5 are black and 3 is white.

I wish I had appreciated Bach more when I was taking lessons in school. There is a lot to learn with the fingering and the use of accidentals.
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#2455013 - 12/08/12 02:05 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: RABid]
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Thanx CEB, Gavrilov is a monster pianist. I still remember an old vinyl of him playing Prokofiev's 1st piano concerto.., .Angela Hewitt is a fantastic player as well. I would add Tatjana Nikolayevna, the teacher of many great Russian pianists and a fantastic interpreter of Bach's music herself.


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#2455078 - 12/08/12 09:43 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: yannis D]
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Years ago, I memorized the 3rd Movement of Bach's Italian Concerto. A terrific composition with a bright melody and it was also a great left hand workout. Learning Bach's Italian Concerto had a positive influence on my playing.

When there a lull on stage or the crew needed a few minutes, I'd play it using the ARP 4 Voice Piano's harpsichord tone. Fun times. This thread has inspired me to find the sheet music.
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#2455154 - 12/08/12 03:34 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: SteveCoscia]
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Originally Posted By: SteveCoscia
Years ago, I memorized the 3rd Movement of Bach's Italian Concerto. A terrific composition with a bright melody and it was also a great left hand workout. Learning Bach's Italian Concerto had a positive influence on my playing.

When there a lull on stage or the crew needed a few minutes, I'd play it using the ARP 4 Voice Piano's harpsichord tone. Fun times. This thread has inspired me to find the sheet music.


Try the Henle-Verlag edition on the Italian Concerto.

Oh yeah +100. The IC was the first major classical piece I attempted to learn in my early 20s. Yes the 3rd movement is joyous without question. I find the Andante section equally has beautiful.

My favorite recording of this piece is Alfred Brendel


Also no Bach keyboard thread cannot be complete without mentioning Rosalyn Tureck, which Jazz + did earlier in the thread.
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#2455159 - 12/08/12 04:20 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: Dave Ferris]
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My favorite recording of this piece is Alfred Brendel.


Indeed. The Brendel rendition is real good. Bach's melody is so lively and inviting. It grabs the listener.
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#2455172 - 12/08/12 06:38 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: SteveCoscia]
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I love Brendel. It was Brendel that really turned me on to Haydn.
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#2455594 - 12/10/12 06:44 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: CEB]
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She makes some interesting points. I hate to tell her that not only does Chopin sound like doggy doo on the Polymoog but I thought Bach did too.

I still can't bring myself to compare Bach to Arnold Schoenberg. I don't like Schoenberg.



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#2456097 - 12/12/12 12:23 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: CEB]
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I'm continuing to work through The Well Tempered Clavier and I have some thoughts and questions.

1) I got an opportunity to have hands on an actual Harpsichord. Dang you have to be accurate and very articulate on those things. Piano is a lot more forgiving otherwise it is a smeared up jingly mess. I've play Harpsichord patches on Keyboards. The two experiences have nothing in common. I expect the harpsichord to be an easier axe to play on. It wasn't for for me. I was out of my environment.

2) My copy of WTC is marked for dynamics. This was done by Carl Czerny. The Harsichord doesn't do dynamics like a piano. Is what Czerny did considered proper piano treatment? On the Preludes I tend to want to do dramatic shifts in dynamics. I guess I am a Romantic at Heart.


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#2456107 - 12/12/12 01:18 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: CEB]
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2) My copy of WTC is marked for dynamics. This was done by Carl Czerny. The Harsichord doesn't do dynamics like a piano. Is what Czerny did considered proper piano treatment?


Not really. Edit: well I am no academically qualified to truly question Czerny, but you could maybe play these dynamics very subtly and it would sound fine.

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On the Preludes I tend to want to do dramatic shifts in dynamics. I guess I am a Romantic at Heart.


You can do whatever makes you happy. Seriously. But know that it wasn't the composer's intent, nor at all the style of the time.

Dynamics in Baroque literature definitely have a place. Subtle shading and highlighting of certain melodies and phrases can give the music further dimension. But bluntly wielding FFs and PPs to maudlin excess can ruin the integrity of the music.


Edited by Bobadohshe (12/12/12 01:19 PM)
Edit Reason: further thoughts about Czerny.
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#2456114 - 12/12/12 01:26 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: CEB]
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Dynamics in Baroque music are always subject to debate, but much of Bach's music was actually written for clavichord, rather than harpsichord. It's similar in sound to harpsichord, but is able to produce a range of dynamics. Bach almost certainly played these pieces with dynamics himself, but leaving it up to the performer was a common practice at the time, as details like dynamics were considered more of an afterthought. So, dynamics weren't often indicated, but that doesn't mean dynamics were or should be absent. I feel like most Bach pieces sort of "play themselves" in terms of dynamics though.

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#2456117 - 12/12/12 01:41 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: CEB]
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I don't know about Czerny but I've always used the Henle-Verlag editions for all my Bach stuff--Italian Concerto, WTC 1&2 , Inventions, English & French Suites.

No dynamic markings in the Henle. I've listened to recordings of the pieces I do by varying pianists (sorry can't hang with the harpsichord) just for reference sake.

I don't alway agree with some of the fingering choices in the Henle but from a reading/learning standpoint, I prefer it over anything else.

A definite shout out though for the Alfred Masterwork editions of the WTC. BK.1 is edited by Willard Palmer. BK.2 edited by Judith Schneider and fingerings by Maria Sofianski.

In the intro of BK.1 they go into literally a 25 page essay ranging from dynamics , rhythm, Fugue structure, sustain pedal usage, arpeggiating chords in the Baroque style, tempo and very detailed analysis of the ornaments. Best I've ever seen. I like a lot of the fingering choices too. The Alfred is like a reference workbook (highly recommended)--definitely goes hand in hand with the Henle although I still prefer the latter from a graphic/reading standpoint.
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#2456127 - 12/12/12 02:27 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: Cygnus64]
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Mahler has gone from obscure to overplayed.


Yes - any idea why that is? Is it a copyright thing?

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#2456132 - 12/12/12 02:41 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: stillplaying]
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I have the Alfred's collection of Bach's 2-part Inventions. I really like that book it comes with a CD and they have nice notation on the ornamentations.
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#2456138 - 12/12/12 03:10 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: CEB]
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Bach on piano bothers me. I don't know why, but overuse of dynamics is probably a contributing factor.

Long live baroque instruments!
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#2456162 - 12/12/12 05:54 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: mate stubb]
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Yes I can see that being the culprit. I am at home at the piano I just played through the first Prelude in WTC and Czerny has dynamics ranging from pp to ff in the score.
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#2456164 - 12/12/12 05:57 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: CEB]
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The dynamic range of an actual clavichord is generally more like mp down to pp. It's a very quiet instrument.

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#2456326 - 12/13/12 11:09 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: Bridog6996]
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The dynamic range of an actual clavichord is generally more like mp down to pp. It's a very quiet instrument.


Speaking of which this is one of the points Andras Schiff points to in this discussion on Bach.



I will not pedal.
I will not pedal.
I will not .........


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#2470049 - 02/09/13 09:23 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: CEB]
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You can find parts of this on YouTube but this is a full hour segment.

This is from a Chinese YouTube type site I don't if it can be embedded.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzcxMTI1NjUy.html

This helps me understand the issues I had with some of Glenn Gould interpretations. I like his interpretations of major Bach works but his interpretation of a lot of the stuff that I play through I don't like. In the middle of this he explains experimentation with tempos and other aspects in minor works like inventions, preludes, fugues and gigues but would NOT think of doing that to multi movement pieces and pieces of great importance such as Concertos or Partitas. Glenn was an interesting man.


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#2494754 - 05/20/13 07:13 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: CEB]
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#2495248 - 05/21/13 02:31 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: Ashville.Guru]
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Originally Posted By: mate_stubb
I'm getting goosebumps just sitting here and thinking of certain moments in St. Anne's Fugue. No other composer does that to me. Bach is truly sublime.


You have no idea how universal this is. I remember the first Bach piece I heard years ago moved me to tears - before I even knew who the composer was. And I come from a very different musical background - western music forms a very small fraction of my listening. I still can't tell one piece from another, why the key scale is mentioned, or what the heck a fugue is. And I've seen similar reactions from friends who are accomplished musicians in the Indian classical tradition - even the die-hard purists who don't listen to any western music.

Thanks for this thread, and the posts in it.


Not politically correct but I couldn't care less... JS Bach is by far the greatest western musician composer in recorded western history.
Pablo Casals says as much.

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#2495254 - 05/21/13 03:21 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: I-missRichardTee]
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I have an aged LP called "The Pocket Bach" by George Fields, the first-chair harmonica virtuoso who played for films such as "Paint Your Wagon." He sat in a walk-in closet and played Bach one line at a time into an 8-track reel-to-reel. He used about 12 different instruments, one being a large Hohner chromatic with a hefty slide on it. Like all Bach, its riveting and perfect. It highlights how you can play it on ANYthing and have it translate seamlessly.

I see mention of his music, but I encourage you to read one of his many biographies. Your admiration will triple when you learn of how he lost a beloved young wife and several children to illness as a younger man, had to fight to inject any creativity into what was often seen as an adjunct to worship only and wrestled politics and the demands of teaching all his life. He usually had a cadre of puckerbutts pulling him this way and that all the time. To handle so many pressures and STILL crank out reams of such works makes him seem almost supernatural. Why, the poor man didn't even have tape cassettes, much less Pro Tools. You think YOU have rehearsal hassles.... shocked
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#2495257 - 05/21/13 03:24 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: David Emm]
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I have an aged LP called "The Pocket Bach" by George Fields, the first-chair harmonica virtuoso who played for films such as "Paint Your Wagon." He sat in a walk-in closet and played Bach one line at a time into an 8-track reel-to-reel. He used about 12 different instruments, one being a large Hohner chromatic with a hefty slide on it. Like all Bach, its riveting and perfect. It highlights how you can play it on ANYthing and have it translate seamlessly.



I see mention of his music, but I encourage you to read one of his many biographies. Your admiration will triple when you learn of how he lost a beloved young wife and several children to illness as a younger man, had to fight to inject any creativity into what was often seen as an adjunct to worship only and wrestled politics and the demands of teaching all his life. He usually had a cadre of puckerbutts pulling him this way and that all the time. To handle so many pressures and STILL crank out reams of such works makes him seem almost supernatural. Why, the poor man didn't even have tape cassettes, much less Pro Tools. You think YOU have rehearsal hassles.... shocked


Amen to all of that work ethic and grit
Close to supernatural indeed
pablo Casals Said Bach was Divine
And again he said Bach was in his own category above all others- sorry for poor paraphrasing.


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#2495351 - 05/22/13 02:43 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: David Emm]
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I have an aged LP called "The Pocket Bach" by George Fields


I'd love to hear this. I found bassharp.com and read the liner notes written, amazingly enough, by Rory Guy, better known as Angus Scrimm, "The Tall Man."

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#2515304 - 07/29/13 09:09 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: ksoper]
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A like the far away sound of this piano. Usually everything I do sounds close and in your face. Not sure if this was the intent or just a consequence of it being an old recording.

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#2522405 - 08/28/13 11:56 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: CEB]
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#2608275 - 07/03/14 05:20 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: CEB]
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#2608357 - 07/03/14 08:15 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: David Loving]
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My mistake! I thought 99 cents was too cheap.

The Complete Album

A regular on my iPod rotation

With a title like "Bach to the Future: Piano and Synthesizer" I was expecting to hear piano and synthesizer _together_. From what I can tell by listening to the preview snippets some tracks are piano and some tracks are synthesizer; never both together on the same track. A pity - that could have been interesting.

I don't know what it is but with the exception of one artist I am always disappointed by synthesized Bach. That artist is, of course, Wendy Carlos. She had the training and the talent to use the right sounds and to phrase them expressively that other interpretations seem to lack, including IMO this one. With the exception of track 14 (English Suite in A Minor) the synth tracks don't do it for me. But perhaps I need to hear the complete tracks to judge them fairly.

Too bad Wendy's body of work is more-or-less out of print. According to her web site, "Due to major changes in the music business, we unexpectedly lost our ESD distribution, leaving us stranded with few good options." That happened several years ago now.

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#2669560 - 03/03/15 07:01 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: Buzzzzzzz]
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Nice 1 1/2 hour documentary.



Watching this one tonight.



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#2669591 - 03/03/15 08:52 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: CEB]
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I'm almost finished with this 3 Part Invention (or Sinfonias)
In this one there is always at least one finger held as a tie in either hand per measure (and/or into the next) . . . the 2nd page is just pure genius!

Really knocked my socks off this one, Bach's genius was never clearer to me. . . . It's having it's effect on all my other playing (non-classical) . . .why I love to play Bach beside the pure joy of it! This is 'back-burner' work for me, at it for a few months now....I usually eventually get through them!

Bach 3 Part Invention in D Minor . . .


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#2669755 - 03/03/15 05:17 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: Legatoboy]
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This thread is perfectly timed for me...

I think I'm going to start the Back two part inventions to help build up my hand independence.

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#2669763 - 03/03/15 06:04 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: Buzzzzzzz]
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My mistake! I thought 99 cents was too cheap.

The Complete Album

A regular on my iPod rotation

With a title like "Bach to the Future: Piano and Synthesizer" I was expecting to hear piano and synthesizer _together_. From what I can tell by listening to the preview snippets some tracks are piano and some tracks are synthesizer; never both together on the same track. A pity - that could have been interesting.

Well, the album is roughly half piano and half synthesizers, so I don't think that the title is too misleading... grin

Btw, that was exactly the spirit of the project: To put the piano and the synths in direct comparison, in a classical music context. Both instruments were unknown to Bach (the piano in its modern form and the synthesizer), so in both cases, you could think of all these pieces as "transcriptions" - of which Bach was a master himself.

I never thought to use the two instruments together; in my humble opinion, that would have suggested too much of a "piano concerto" sound, and I wanted to avoid that.
The whole thing has a rather "chamber music" feel, which I personally like for that kind of music.
Love the Carlos realizations as well, of course. smile

Side note: I'm not really satisfied with the piano sound on that album. It was so bright and metallic that I ended up playing most of the piano pieces with the left pedal down. Not ideal for your dynamics... freak

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#2669773 - 03/03/15 06:33 PM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: Sundown]
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This thread is perfectly timed for me...

I think I'm going to start the Back two part inventions to help build up my hand independence.

Todd


I helped me out tremendously to revisit the inventions. I hadn't played them since I was a kid. I'm kind of go nuts on stuff. I will get on a kick and do it. I was on the Bach kick for about a year. It started on Liszt's 200th birthday. I started lamenting the death of my technique..... Wishing I was 22 again, all that middle aged self pity crap.

My new kick is now Chopin. That is really funny because as a kid I friggin HATED Chopin. I love short pieces. I just don't have the time, discipline and memory to tackle Sonatas and other long pieces. I like Preludes, Etudes, and specially find of Grieg's lyric pieces.

I still suck at Bach. I'm just a Romantic player at heart. My favorites will probably always be Beethoven, Rachmaninoff and Grieg. I suck at those too.

Here is a warped piece of doo-doo. Invention 13 backwards. grin

Bach does some interesting things when backwards.




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#2890177 - 11/14/17 05:43 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: CEB]
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#2890207 - 11/14/17 08:30 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: CEB]
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#2890208 - 11/14/17 08:32 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: CEB]
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#2890209 - 11/14/17 08:41 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: Bobadohshe]
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Great playing indeed.

I like the tempo's a bit lower though. Maybe thats also because I'm used to my own tempo's.
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#2890218 - 11/14/17 09:41 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: RudyS]
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Great playing indeed.

I like the tempo's a bit lower though. Maybe thats also because I'm used to my own tempo's.


It's not you... they are a bit fast in general I think. I play them slower myself...for various reasons rolleyes !

I agree, she really is great but I prefer slower tempos myself! Otherwise you get the things Glen Gould was slightly put down for (if that's possible) the 'Music as a Museum Piece' vibe...she is wonderful though... I've played many of them myself! Richter was who I was steered to, so I put some of his WTC up...

Richter was explained to me as very close to a Jazz musician in his feel for classical...living in the moment more not in the Museum....I was guided away from Howowitz for similar reasons ...Always with the statement and understanding of how great Horowitz was though...it's a matter of taste.


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#2890230 - 11/14/17 10:15 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: Legatoboy]
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Her philosophy is the same as Glenn Gould.

"Bach wrote 2- and 3- part Inventions as a exercises for aspiring keyboard players to perfect one's technique and touch. Since any exercise is supposed to be difficult and push you to the limit, I did just that."

Glenn was emphatic that he remained absolutely true in performance of major works such as Concertos, Partitas, and Suites etc ..... But inventions, sinfonias, dance pieces, WTC ...etc... were open game for personal interpretation baby.

Hell I have no room to throw stones. I recorded Inventions backwards just for the hell of it. laugh


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#2890247 - 11/14/17 11:18 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: CEB]
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She has phenomenal, super-human facility like Yuja Wang.

Stylistically in Bach, I favor more of a lyrical yet probing, relaxed and less edgy approach like Angela Hewitt (who I posted earlier in the thread), Andras Schiff, Mikhail Pletnev and the always extraordinarily musical Murray Perahia. And older interpretations by Rosalyn Turek, Dinu Lipatti, Myra Hess, Robert Casadesus, Richter, William Kempf. And of course the historic recordings by Edwin Fischer.


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#2890250 - 11/14/17 11:34 AM Re: A Bach Thread [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Lyrical and relaxed is difficult. Chopin kicked my rear because of this. Subtlety is hard.
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