timwat Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 My wife and I are getting away for the weekend; seeing Herbie Hancock (with Thundercat opening) tomorrow. Herbie Lionel Loueke, guitar James Genus, bass Elena Pinderhughes, flute, vocals Justin Tyson, drums Quote .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuruPrionz Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Fantastic!!!! Quote It took a chunk of my life to get here and I am still not sure where "here" is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJUSCULE Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Great lineup. Quote Eric Website Gear page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docbop Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 I was hoping Terrace Martin would of been in the band, Terrace and Glasper where working on Herbies new album. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Zeger Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Did Thundercat sit it? Herbie posted a photo with him on FB. I dig Thundercat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timwat Posted September 26, 2021 Author Share Posted September 26, 2021 So this show was last night. Thundercat played as a trio, with Dennis Hamm on keys (Justin Brown on drums). Lots of speed, lots of out, impressive, wall of sound kind of stuff, except for the Them Changes and Dragonball Durag. Vibe was pretty loose, relaxed and cool - I dug them. While Herbie acknowledged Thundercat and their set, nope, he didn't sit in w HH. One of things was it was outside, and it got borderline frigid by the time HH hit the stage - Elena spent the entire set wearing a stylish, bulky full length wool winter coat. Essentially Herbie's set was sort of a medley effortless free flow from tune to tune, with very few breaks in between, and the breaks were mostly an occasion for Herbie to encourage the crowd about love, unity and all of us being part of one human race. Loueke is a great player, spending more time with the synth and processed sounds than actual guitar. Pinderhughes is a confident player I greatly enjoyed listening too - voice was struggling but before the encore Herbie noted she is getting over being ill. I wasn't a big fan of Genus' heavily looped based solo - I kinda think there's a more effective way to build a looped solo to "solo with yourself", where less is more in the loop. But he is a great player no doubt. Herbie spend most of his time on the Kronos, for synth, strings, pads, and vocoder. Any real soloing was on the Fazioli. He played one solo on the keytar, which seemed a little gratuitous - just an excuse to sling the thing on. But I suppose as soon as I say keytar, that entire previous sentence is assumed LOL After all these years, I'm still impressed by Actual Proof, a tune I've not yet been able to get under my hands with the rhythm and hits. Any suggestions on this tune? Also, all the familiars - cantaloupe, watermelon, chameleon, 13 seconds of butterfly. And a dizzying number of parts of other tunes all medleyed together. All in all, a wonderful (very cold) night. Quote .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cedar Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 After all these years, I'm still impressed by Actual Proof, a tune I've not yet been able to get under my hands with the rhythm and hits. Any suggestions on this tune? No useful help from me. I'll just say that I only felt comfortable on this tune when I had internalized it so well that I stopped feeling any need to count. Trying to count almost seemed to make it harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Emm Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 I got to see Herbie live in a nice hall right after "Headhunters" came out and I was still bamboozled by just the ARP Pro Soloist. I couldn't hope to quantify it all, but you always leave such shows with a big music lesson under your belt. A doofus felt the spirit so much that he began dancing in front of the stage. Security shortly sprited him right out the door as the band grinned at the sideshow. Quote "I like that rapper with the bullet in his nose!" "Yeah, Bulletnose! One sneeze and the whole place goes up!" ~ "King of the Hill" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRW Posted September 27, 2021 Share Posted September 27, 2021 I've seen this group (or the iteration of) several times over the last few years, mostly because of my everlasting Herbie fandom. Agree with Dave Ferris, slightly afraid also because of the Chick thing. I don't understand the praise for Terrace. Yes, I'm aware of his producer prowess, and that he also contributed to the still-unreleased new HH album. But dude's playing is beyond basic. You ever hear him take a solo? A guy like that shouldn't be sharing a stage with Herbie Hancock. The good thing is he persuaded Herbie to start playing "Come Running To Me" again (vocoders and all), that's a beautiful song. Genus is a great bass player. I loved his playing with Dave Douglas, for instance. But IMO he's the wrong guy for this group, despite now having been there for years. His sound always comes off as mushy, muffled and "too phat" if there's such a thing. As far as electric bassists go, IMO Herbie needs someone with a crisp clean sound like the one Paul Jackson (R.I.P.!) had. He sounded great with Jaco too back in the day. The drummer is new. It used to be a guy called Trevor Lawrence Jr. - I don't think he ever managed to get "Actual Proof" right. By the way - what the hell happened to that new album? Wasn't it supposed to come out at least 5 years ago? I still see Herbie is rocking the "greatest hits" thing, the same keytar schtick, the "funk hits" etc. I personally believe he's still capable of producing a masterpiece-caliber acoustic jazz album. Even though the last two were cover albums, and the good one (River) came out in 2007 already. Maybe if he hooked up with Shorter instead of folks like Flying Lotus? Wayne is still going places creatively...Chick was too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProfD Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 IMO, as one of few remaining African-American Jazz pioneers, Mr. Herbie Hancock doesn't have anything left to prove. He's earned the right to run his program however he so chooses both in terms of personnel and set-list Enjoy being able to hear him play while he's still on the planet. Quote PD "The greatest thing you'll ever learn, is just to love and be loved in return."--E. Ahbez "Nature Boy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docbop Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 IMO, as one of few remaining African-American Jazz pioneers, Mr. Herbie Hancock doesn't have anything left to prove. He's earned the right to run his program however he so chooses both in terms of personnel and set-list Enjoy being able to hear him play while he's still on the planet. +1 to that. Herbie is always exploring looking for new sounds, music, musicians, and trying to learn from them and keep adding to his own bag of tricks. Herbie says he likes working with young people to checkout new ideas and sounds. Herbie is teacher and student, Chick was the same way. To me the key is listening and asking yourself what is it Herbie, Chick, Wayne Shorter, Charles Lloyd hearing in these young people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Number Four Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 Regarding Actual Proof, what helped me was to use a chart that was 4/4 all the way through the form and then internalize that, rather than the charts like the one in New Real Book vol 3 that end with a 5/4 bar, a 4/4 bar and a 3/4 bar. But still a (fun) challenge either way. I think it's just one of those tunes that's designed to make you hear the beats in funny places, so if you've heard it a lot before you try to play it, you have to unlearn how your mind was processing it first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MathOfInsects Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 IMO, as one of few remaining African-American Jazz pioneers, Mr. Herbie Hancock doesn't have anything left to prove. He's earned the right to run his program however he so chooses both in terms of personnel and set-list Enjoy being able to hear him play while he's still on the planet. ....a career built, in fact, on doing just that. Quote Now out! "Mind the Gap," a 24-song album of new material. www.joshweinstein.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewImprov Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 I had an offer of a free ticket to go see him last Wednesday in Portland, and I declined, because I'm still not comfortable with with big outdoor shows, and I'm still kind of kicking myself over not going. But I have seen him 3 times, once with the re-united Headhunters (an amazing show, among the best concerts I've ever seen), once in a duet with Wayne Shorter (which was wonderful, I got the sense they were not trying very hard, and they could just play together for days on end) and once on his Future2Future tour (some of the tech stuff was not working, especially the visuals, and you could tell Herbie was kinda pissed, but still a great show, Wallace Roney (RIP) was amazing). Quote Turn up the speaker Hop, flop, squawk It's a keeper -Captain Beefheart, Ice Cream for Crow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammondDave Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 Saw him this past Sunday at the Bowl. Awesome concert! Quote '55 and '59 B3's; Leslies 147, 122, 21H; MODX 7+; NUMA Piano X 88; Motif XS7; Mellotrons M300 and M400’s; Wurlitzer 206; Gibson G101; Vox Continental; Mojo 61; Launchkey 88 Mk III; Korg Module; B3X; Model D6; Moog Model D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobadohshe Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 I need to catch him next time whenever I can. Yes I was shaken up by Chick's sudden passing an the realization that I had taken for granted that every 2 years Chick and Herbie would both swing through town in their latest iterations and I could go catch them as I pleased. Quote Kawai C-60 Grand Piano : Hammond A-100 : Hammond SK2 : Yamaha CP4 : Yamaha Montage 7 : Moog Sub 37 My latest album: Funky organ, huge horn section https://bobbycressey.bandcamp.com/album/cali-native Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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