PORN and ROCK: Whats the Deal?

[ernest828]

I`m sure you guys have seen the shows on VH1 by now. All these rock musicians and porn stars getting together. Doesn`t really bother me but I used to like the fact that pron was sort of taboo and not talked about. Seems very inappropriate to be on so much of the "regular channels" where any kid could watch this. I know nothing is shown but there is little left to imagine. Maybe I`m getting old or now that I`m a dad, I just care more? Ernest

[Gulliver]

ROCK and PORN always loved each other. :freak:

[Felix_dup1]

It's not just Rock anymore - Snoop Dogg's got his own "Girls Gone Wild" video out now. And didn't I hear something about some new porn out there with real Rock guys and real groupies? Unreal!

[Jeff Klopmeyer]

Not to change the original intent of this thread, but yeah...now that I'm older and a dad, my standards of ethics are really changing based on what I want my kid to see or not see. There was a time that I could think of no better combination that porn and rock. Now? Not so much. - Jeff

[Gus Lozada]

[quote]Originally posted by felix: [b]... and real groupies? [/b][/quote]Oh my... groupies... that's why playing an instrument makes sense... then, it comes the porn stuff. It just happens when you have a band, groupies and a camera, after the gig :freak:

[Sylver]

Innocense is lost. We live in Soddem and Gomorrah. Trying to protect your kids from this crap is futile. Might as well pour them a beer, slap a snuff film in the VCR and smoke a joint with them. My ten year old knows way too many things he shouldn't, and it doesn't come from us, and not from TV, since he carefully monitored. It comes from his classmates. They are exposed to all the stuff that we don't want him exposed to. I have a friend with a 12 YO that is a great example. She has watched Pulp Fiction with her mom multiple times. I can't think of a more inappropriate movie for a kid. She's also a Sopranos fan, which I've never seen, but assume is adult subject matter. What can you do to protect your kids? Nothing. You have to arm them instead. Give them healthy perspectives, and discuss things that you think are a concern, and let them know what you think of things. Because sooner or later, they are going to be watching the Superbowl and wonder why two girls are wresting in a foutain to sell beer.

[Rick K.]

Well we all know that sex sells. What's happening is several 'artists' are trying to push the envelope ever so slightly, little by little over the years. Remember how shocked Madonna's 'Like a Virgin' was? Now that's probably tame compared to what's out there now. Remember Prince's movie? Another prime example of pushing the envelope. It won't stop. Can't stop. Our entertainment is wholly based on something bigger, better, more shocking, more perverse, and ultimately more disgusting. That sells. Rick

[Jeff Klopmeyer]

[quote]Originally posted by Sylver needs a new job: [b]You have to arm them instead. Give them healthy perspectives, and discuss things that you think are a concern, and let them know what you think of things.[/b][/quote]What a great way to put it, Sylver. And, of course, you're right. The only problem I see going into the future is that less and less is shocking. Much like a drug user that develops a tolerance, thereby requiring more and more of the drug to get the same high, society's tolerance to ethics means that what passes for shocking in one generation needs to be increased exponentially for it to be even mildly stimulating to the next. I'm no prude, and I'm a very strong supporter of those liberties that allow a person in the privacy of his or her own home to do and watch what they want. But what frightens me, at least slightly, is this: what kind of stuff will my son's kids be exposed to? How about their kids? Jeez, by the time I croak I might be happy to be going. - Jeff

[Tedster]

My son is reading Aldous Huxley's "A Brave New World" for a college class. I haven't read it, but according to him, it depicts a world six hundred years into the future where all babies are from the test tube method, and sex is purely recreational...so much so, in fact, that even young children are free to engage in it at their whim. The scary thing my son was beginning to realize, is that some of that "prophecy" might actually occur not too far into the future.

[Gtoledo3]

I don't know... I grew up in a household where i was exposed to pretty much everything- but as soon as anything "taboo" came up, my father or mother took me aside and just gave me the context- no babies come from storks" at my house! The result wasn't totally bad! I did excellent in school, and acheived a full scholarship to college. Now I have my B.A. I never "got in trouble". I "test" as a genius. Most of the kids that I know that were sheltered went totally crazy and flunked out their first year of college, or are crack whores, etc... you know the drill.

[knunchucksammy]

So VERY true... my family was straight with me. My dad drank beer with me when I was a little younger then legal and I was fine... Often times I would hang out with people that were FREAKING crazy because it was a rare opportunity for them to get out and do something so they wanted to make the best of it. The best way to avoid that is too be honest with your children, and make them not feel afraid to talk to you about things. My father was honest and rather than hiding things from him and getting in trouble, I actually wanted to be good because I didn't want to upset my dad.... [quote]What can you do to protect your kids? [/quote]If the nation as a whole would just work together to get children away from the T.V. and doing something else, more creative and constructive we would all be in a better place. My step sister has NO friends... is in Jr. High School and watches TV ALL DAY LONG! She is all fat and it is not in here genes to be, and is going to have a miserable life because she has a poor relationship with her mother and father, and because here mother does not know how to discipline.... This is sad, and everyone needs to see this problem and make a conscious effort to change it... Matt

[realtrance]

"...I did excellent in school, and acheived..." umm.... ... brings out the former freshman comp TA in me. rt

[michael saulnier]

To the original question... Porn and Rock: What's the Deal? It's simple. Porn Chicks are easy, and hot. They are on the edge of society and are clearly "outsiders". Rockers are the classic "bad boys" that the "bad girls" can't do without. It's a match made in heav... er... hell? Both sides get a little "status" from the relationship... as well as some "action". The ultimate "bad girl" / "bad boy" example? Pam Anderson and Kid Rock... or the rest of the guys she's been involved with... ...except Scott Baio. :D guitplayer

[Gtoledo3]

[quote]Originally posted by realtrance: [b]"...I did excellent in school, and acheived..." umm.... ... brings out the former freshman comp TA in me. rt[/b][/quote]make that excellently you got me, excuse me while I wipe the drool from my mouth

[Sylver]

[quote]Originally posted by Jeff, TASCAM Guy: [b] [quote]Originally posted by Sylver needs a new job: [b]You have to arm them instead. Give them healthy perspectives, and discuss things that you think are a concern, and let them know what you think of things.[/b][/quote]What a great way to put it, Sylver. And, of course, you're right.[/b][/quote]Thanks, Jeff! Of course I'm right. It's me. ;) [b] [quote] The only problem I see going into the future is that less and less is shocking. Much like a drug user that develops a tolerance, thereby requiring more and more of the drug to get the same high, society's tolerance to ethics means that what passes for shocking in one generation needs to be increased exponentially for it to be even mildly stimulating to the next. [/b][/quote]Right on the $$! Scary, isn't it? Especially in context with what Tedster said in the below post about "Strange New World". Of course as cultures go, the US society is freaking out and approaching a Roman Empire style decadence. Freedom of expression is all well and good, and I too am all for it, but we are plunging into extreme lifestyles with wild abandon, little regard for the future, and ZERO consideration for our fellow citizens. Sure, Ozzy and Co. are entertaining, but they are NOT role models. Too bad some people will look at them that way. Personally, I feel like the stress on this country is too much, and sometime in the next 50 years or so, it will come too a head. Look for California or Alaska to try going out on thier own. The Democratic Vinyards of California. Hmmmm, nice ring. Seriously, all this excess reminds me of the last days of many cultures. Humans have a hard time telling the difference between loss of inhibitions and self destruction until after the fact. Interesting, it just occured to me that the difference may be in intent only. Participating in an activity that is accepted is generally percieved as healthy, and activities that are not accepted as unhealthy, but the perception is influenced by the current morays. Some cultures might find something that we consider normal, abhorrant, and participating in such and activity, like wearing shoes in the house, might have extremely negative repercussions somewhere else. It's the National Geographic magazine syndrome. Pictures of naked people are bad, unless, they are indigenous people who don't normally clothe themselves. There's probably not an American man I know that didn't get aroused by a copy of one at least once, but it's [i]because[/i] we percieve nudity as "naughty". Once we learn that it's ok, and that nudity isn't abnormal to them, it's no longer a turn on(Unless you're into the pygmy thing). Hmmmm, I had a point at the beginning of this, I seem to have lost it. It must be the snow.

[patrick_dont_fret]

Hmmmm, porn and rock...one of the guys from KoRN is going into the porn business, I've heard...doesn't surprise me a bit. As for what children are getting into these days... My little brother found a stack of my dad's pornos when he was 6 years old. Hardcore pornos, at that. He knows what I didn't know til I was at least 12. Geez, ya know. TV doesn't help...and video games don't help at all. Kids these days know too much for their own good, and seemingly do worse in school because it's percieved as uncool to be smart and do well. As for me, my dad sometimes allowed me a little bit of beer when I was young...but my mom made him stop that before I turned 7. I'm not in any way any less than I would be if I hadn't been introduced to it. Of course, my dad is an alcholic, so.... But as for what's on TV, we had Full House and Home Improvement and the like...yeah, they have adult references, but we didn't understand them as kids. It's funny as hell now, though. So yeah, [i]A Brave New World[/i] isn't too far off in the future.

[Dylan]

I don't have cable so someone will have to fill me in on this show (does it have a name)? I'm surprised that it's on VH1 and not MTV if it's about porn. Can't say that I'm surprised though. We are watching society deterioate right before our eyes. Hooray for TV :rolleyes: .

[Jeff Klopmeyer]

[quote]Originally posted by Pain in the Glaven: [b]I don't have cable so someone will have to fill me in on this show (does it have a name)?[/b][/quote]It's under the guise of being a documentary about the connection between rock stars and porn stars. Not sure of the name, though I think they're airing it again tonight at 11:00. - Jeff

[ernest828]

After reading all your posts I feel somewhat relieved that its not just me who is noticing this decadence. Obviously its been around since the mid 90`s (this cast away all your cares and live for now attitude). I just thought that being a father in the last year that it was just me. Its probably "safe" to say many of us have viewed porno in the past whether it was a video or mag and for a while it was this exciting and taboo (=fun) thing to do but after you see how it affects people and relationships, it is surely becoming a cause to many of marriages breaking down. Anyway, I am concerned and my children will b "armed" with the info and the perspectives, but this doens`t stop the worrying. Peace, Ernest

[Alndln]

Porn + Rock? I suppose,but then I can't really imagine a cheap XXX flick accompanied by Beethoven's nine variations in C on a march by Dressler.To me,the type of "Rock" that gets known these days is almost as cheap as porn in a way,and easily as forgettable. :bor:

[Dylan]

[quote]Originally posted by patrick_dont_fret: [b]Hmmmm, porn and rock...one of the guys from KoRN is going into the porn business, I've heard...doesn't surprise me a bit.[/b][/quote]If he has any business smarts then he'll tatoo "Korn Rulez" on his ass if he is to star in these movies :D

[midispaceho]

[quote]Originally posted by Jeff, TASCAM Guy: [b]Not to change the original intent of this thread, but yeah...now that I'm older and a dad, my standards of ethics are really changing based on what I want my kid to see or not see. There was a time that I could think of no better combination that porn and rock. Now? Not so much. - Jeff[/b][/quote]I agree with that as a father now. I don't want my little girl seeing porn glamorized like it is today.

[Virtual Jim]

As a lurker and as a young rocker, nothing pleases me more than to see aging "rock" fans having a problem with the risquee nature of rock. I really hope you guys aren't extolling the greatness of Chuck Berry, Pete Townshend , and Steely Dan on your kids (not that I have anything against the first two) because a voyeur, a pedophile, and naming a band after a medieval dildo aren't wholesome concepts. Thanks, guys and gals. Getting back to the original post, the Genitortures are wusses. They wouldn't even answer Metal-Sludge.com's 20 Questions. Only the Vines are more deserving of the word "Poser". Oh, and if you think Korn is rock...

[Mats Olsson.]

Jim, I would avoid calling Pete Townshend a pedophile. At least until there is some kind of evidence. There are some very credible proofs that he is not guilty at all, quite the contrary actually. A short while back we had a very intresting thread on this subject, a real eye-opener for many of us. The whole thread is here: http://www.musicgearnetwork.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=010176 A very intresting document: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/doc_o_day/petetownshend1.html Back to topic: Rock stars & Porn stars, don't they have the same pimps? /Mats

[makalei]

porn + rock = rap and you know what rap equals?

[ernest828]

DC Jim, You are showing your ignorance because I am still in my twenties and have a child. This has nothing to do with age but rather raising a child in a world full of smut both musically and sexually. Before I had kids this did not bother me, (not much did actually) but EVERYTHING changes when there is a child depending on you for everything. I am angry with the what the world has become. It is so much worse than when I was a child. At the same time now we have endless newsm channels telling us about all the crime, hate and lost generations. We didn`t have this 20 years ago or even 10. I aggressively take action everyday to better the world a little everywhere I go or whomever I come into contact with. There is a fine balance between losing hope and keeping the faith. I chose the latter. Peace, Ernest :)

[Jeff Klopmeyer]

[quote]Originally posted by DC_Jim: [b]I really hope you guys aren't extolling the greatness of Chuck Berry, Pete Townshend , and Steely Dan on your kids (not that I have anything against the first two) because a voyeur, a pedophile, and naming a band after a medieval dildo aren't wholesome concepts.[/b][/quote]Three things (and I'm not faulting you for coming to your conclusion here): 1. I'm in my early 30s, not my mid-70s. The type of music I listen to spans the realm of everything from stuff written 400 years ago to stuff written in 2003, from classical to hardcore to techno. My moral values aren't attached to any genre of music. And like I said, I'm just as into hot chicks and whatnot as the next guy...but I don't want it so readily available to my three-year-old son who can turn on the TV and flip through channels as well as I can. 2. In no way are newer rockers more into porn than older dudes. No one said that. The point is the glamorization of the fact by today's society. 3. Steely Dan is [i]not[/i] a medieval dildo. It is a 20th century dildo. Please go to your library and check out [i]Naked Lunch[/i] by William Burroughs! And Townshend is an accused pedophile. Let's wait to see some evidence before convicting him. - Jeff

[The Bear Jew]

Hmmm... OK. I don't have kids. I don't want kids. But.... If I did, I'd do my best to make sure that they understood the facts about sex and what it means as early as possible. I'd personally rather see more young people knowledgeable about sex than violence. Male rock bands and porn stars/strippers/dancers have always been linked. I think this is because we're both judged primarily on our ability to "turn on" the charm, perform and make something exciting happen on demand -- dancers and porn stars have to look hot and into sex at a moment's notice, and rock bands are expected to "get it up" and make an exciting show on a regular basis. Both have to do this regardless of the way they feel at the time.

[ernest828]

Tascam-Good points. Basically you hit the nail... The concept of having 200+ channels is great and not so great. As an adult its nice to have the endless entertainment. As my child grows up, I`ll have to closely monitor the TV and internet but as someone mentioned above, once they are hanging out with friends in school, they have to armed with some knowledge and then I can only hope that thye will use it to maintain a "higher standard". I`m all for freedom of speech, porn, etc... just don`t throw it in my face. I don`t run around at parades claiming "I`m straight!" Know what I`m sayn` Ernest

[aeon]

What I find amusing (sad, actually) is that the only reason we feel a need to “protect” kids is because we, as a culture, have attached the concepts of “dirty,” “bad,” “shame,” “taboo,” etc. to something as basic and natural as our own sexuality as human beings. Consensual sex is not shameful or taboo...and neither is healthy pleasure, in all its forms. However, as long as we refuse to accept that fact and live as if it were true, people will exploit and prostitute what is a natural blessing as a means to money and control of others, while others will become “rebels” against mores they ironically only serve to strengthen. Make no mistake...when your child senses you are hiding something from him/her, they will be destined to seek it out. Do not lie to them, but teach them, be open with them. Their self-esteem will mean they will not feel the need to (ab)use anyone else, and so too, they will not enter into relationships such that they can be (ab)used. Your honest and healthy relationship with them shall be the backbone of a moral fortitude that will enable them to go forward into the world and make choices you can be proud of.