Tedster Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Seamus, I just watched it, excellent! When I first heard ragtime music I had an epiphany. (I see you have more than 25,000 posts. You must have been one of the first here?) Do you have any information about his instrument? Can you actually buy something like that? A bass player friend of mine is a host on a jazz program here in Holland (Radio 4), and I'll pass that link onto him. No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan South Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 OUTSTANDING!!!! The Black Knight always triumphs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted March 12, 2006 Author Share Posted March 12, 2006 Yeah, the guy rocks. I just got turned on to the video over on the Harmony Central guitar forum...thought I'd share it, and thought that you keyboard guys might get a kick out of it too. I'm not sure about his doubleneck guitar. Looks custom made to me. I was probably one of the earlier ones here...and just wordy, y'know... I hang out on the guitar forum primarily, and used to hang out on Craig's forum when it was here. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan South Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Originally posted by Seamus O'Tedster: I'm not sure about his doubleneck guitar. Looks custom made to me. Yeah, I've never seen one like it. Is the string order reversed on the second neck? I need to find a way to slow this video down to see what he's doing. The Black Knight always triumphs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamer Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Actually he is playing the melody on the upper neck (tapping on the frets, a la Stanley Jordan) and at the same time is comping on the lower neck; what's really amazing to me is the complete indipendence of the hands. Korg PA3X Pro 76 and Kronos 61, Roland G-70, Integra 7 and BK7-m, Casio PX-5S, Fender Stratocaster with Fralin pickups, Fender Stratocaster with Kinman pickups, 1965 Gibson SG Standard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted March 12, 2006 Author Share Posted March 12, 2006 Geez, Dan, so HERE'S where you've been hiding!!! I think it lists his home page...you might be able to get some info on his guitar there. It's obvious it's a bit of a different doubleneck, as the top neck is designed to be played "overhand". There's not really enough room between the necks to properly fit a hand in there. Makes you sort of wonder if it needed to be a doubleneck at all, or if one really wide neck would have fit the bill just as well. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 And now for a brief selection for the classical afficionados in the audience. Thanks for the link, Seamus. Always great to see new inspirations to kick us in the butt to get back to practicing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Originally posted by Dreamer: Actually he is playing the melody on the upper neck (tapping on the frets, a la Stanley Jordan) and at the same time is comping on the lower neck; what's really amazing to me is the complete indipendence of the hands. Errr, isn't that what we do when we play it on a keyboard? As to the hand position he is using (over the fretboard with his right hand) he's playing the instrument exactly like a Chapman Stick. Having fooled around on one, I can tell you that if you are gonna tap, it feels natural. In fact, what he has essentially done is build himself double neck Chapman Sticks, with the added benefit that he doesn't have hand collision problems. Moe --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Originally posted by Dave Horne: I see you have more than 25,000 posts. You must have been one of the first here? dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Professional Affiliations: Royer Labs • Music Player Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan South Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Originally posted by Seamus O'Tedster: Geez, Dan, so HERE'S where you've been hiding!!! I have an alter ego on HC, but lately I've been too busy to post much. The Black Knight always triumphs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finale Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Tony Levin is another guy that can play two independent things on the Chapman stick and sing at the same time (listen to King Crimson albums Discipline, Beat and Three Of A Perfect Pair). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamer Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Originally posted by mate_stubb: Errr, isn't that what we do when we play it on a keyboard? Of course! But it's much less common to see the same thing done on a guitar, and the way he does! What you can see, usually, is a classically trained guitarist playing the melody while at the same time comping on the same neck (meaning the same six strings), but you have to admit that what Adam does takes this concept to another level. The thing that amazes me most (and had me make the remark about his indipendence) is the different technique he is using with the two hands. What would you think of a pianist who plays fast runs with the right hand, while at the same time plays with the left hand a countermelody, on a keyboard which is turned upside down? Korg PA3X Pro 76 and Kronos 61, Roland G-70, Integra 7 and BK7-m, Casio PX-5S, Fender Stratocaster with Fralin pickups, Fender Stratocaster with Kinman pickups, 1965 Gibson SG Standard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erlic Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Thanks for the clip. I have a co-worker that just started playing the guitar, and I e-mailed him the link. I told him he had about two years to get to that level....................NOT!! Thanks again. _____________ Erlic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Originally posted by Dreamer: What would you think of a pianist who plays fast runs with the right hand, while at the same time plays with the left hand a countermelody, on a keyboard which is turned upside down? Well as I said, I got to fool around with a Chapman Stick off and on for several weeks once. It was during a stint working at a music store which had one in stock. As a keyboard player, it felt pretty darn natural. You have to make the mental switch to having one hand upside down, but at the time I felt like "yeah, I could master this in a couple years". In fact, I would guess that a keyboard player could make the transition to this technique easier than somebody whose first instrument is guitar. Moe --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffLearman Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Impressive, but that rag sure does sound better played on a piano! Not just better tone, but better dynamics. Funny thing about hand independence. IMHO, the thing that separates the men from the boys on guitar is left-right hand coordination, not independence: if your right hand isn't plucking in extremely precise cooperation with the left hand, it sounds like crappola. I'm talking about very precise timing: plucking at the same time the finger presses the fret (among other things and it's a lot more complicated than it seems -- just ask any guitarist good enough to HEAR it but not quite good enough to PLAY it. Of course, there are plenty of folks who can play it but have little idea all the stuff they're doing.) I find it a lot harder than coordinating closely on piano. Believe it or not, there's a lot more tolerance on the piano (except at the master playing level, of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoo schultz Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Very nice. The problem with this instrument though, is that there ain't no dynamics possible. To get dynamics, you'd need to build some sort of hammering mechanism that is velocity sensitive. Then you'd need a trigger for the hammer. I guess you'd call that trigger a "key." Hmmmm . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Hmmm. I seem to remember that the Stick had plenty of dynamics. It had specially wound super sensitive pickups though. There's no reason you couldn't have dynamics from a string striking a fret - after all, the keyboard version is pretty dynamic (clavinet). Moe --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted March 12, 2006 Author Share Posted March 12, 2006 Disadvantage...you only really have eight fingers to play with...if you do it this guy's way...the thumbs don't do much. Advantage...let's see you guys put vibrato on a piano... "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finale Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 In my case, I prefer the hammers (or the plastic thingies in the digital pianos) to do the job. I'd hate to tap my fingers fff against .008" strings and see blood coming out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Originally posted by mate_stubb: I got to fool around with a Chapman Stick off and on for several weeks once. It was during a stint working at a music store which had one in stock. Me, too...exactly. We took one in trade, and during the few weeks we had it I had a ball with the thing. dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Professional Affiliations: Royer Labs • Music Player Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marzzz Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I played one for a while a long time ago....the reverse tuning in the bass strings is actually very natural, and I agree that the technique translates easier for a keyboardist as opposed to a guitarist. You have to use a lot of distortion to make leads sound good, though- I never really liked the percussive tone in a clean setting (except in the bass). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Colburne Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Can't forget Stanley Jordan. He was also doing the 2-handed tapping a while back. Saw him at a NAMM show in Atlanta years ago... very impressive. Always wanted to learn to play the Chapman Stick. A friend in Boston has one of the older wood Sticks. They're definitely a blast. Looks likes Adam Fulara's guitar was made by a company called "REK Guitars" in Poland. They refer to the model and the tapping technique as "portato". There isn't enough space between the necks to play it normally. A closeup of the head stocks looks like they're strung as usual. (off topic, sorry) David Bryce... a quick hello from an old Boston Wurlie's (in the "old" days) and Sweetwater employee (when you were with Alesis). You probably wouldn't remember me (beard, not much hair) , but it's good to see you're around and your energy level is still over the top! For you folks who haven't met Dave, he's one of the most energetic and infectiously upbeat people I've ever known. - Jack Colburne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kad Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Originally posted by Sven Golly: And now for a brief selection for the classical afficionados in the audience. Thanks for the link, Seamus. Always great to see new inspirations to kick us in the butt to get back to practicing. OK, I enjoyed the Joplin piece but the Bach thing was just freaking incredible!! I often play that first variation a few times to warm up for a gig, but seeing it played on guitar was just.... amazing!!! Kirk Reality is like the sun - you can block it out for a time but it ain't goin' away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted March 13, 2006 Author Share Posted March 13, 2006 Holy frick...there's more Bach...and check out this "game face"... "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Wyvill Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Originally posted by Seamus O'Tedster: Holy frick...there's more Bach...and check out this "game face"... Wow, he looks like his head is going to explode in this one. Very cool though, I wish my head would wrap around bach on the piano that way...without the puckered lips of course http://www.myspace.com/electricmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanS Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Funny, I just received a Chapman Stick library for Gigsastudio today! Schweeeet. What we record in life, echoes in eternity. Yamaha Montage M7, Nord Electro 6D, Hammond XK1c, Dave Smith PolyEvolver & Rack, Moog Voyager, Modal Cobalt 8X, Univox MiniKorg. https://www.abandoned-film.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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