A whole jumble of thoughts. Pick one and run with it.

[Jeebus]

[quote]Originally posted by NYC Drew: [b]- the fact that because I was born outside of the USA, I can't ever run for president (of the USA)[/b][/quote]The Jesus agrees! :mad: :mad: I hail from Spain, moved to the USA when I was 3, and have wished to run for president of the USA since I was 8. :evil: What bullshit is this? It's unjustified discrimination, on grounds similar to that of race, sex, or color. WTF???

[Nawledge]

look at it this way. even if you were born here, you would not be president. ;)

[Wrave]

Sorry if this is a rehash of something(s) that have already been said here. I got to reading and had some comments and wanted to get 'em down before I lost them. Sex is a basic need. OK, we got that. In this day and age, where it seems everyone is looking for their perfect match, wealthy, good looking, name your own parameters, and where it seems heterosexual matches are falling apart right and left, it makes a kind of sense to seek same sex partners because,on the surface at least, you think you are going to have more in common with each other. But, I see same sex relationships that are so violent and repressive that I know it's really not any different than any hetero partnership. Still, if I make a decision that I have to have sex tonight and I don't have a steady partner, where will I be most likely to scratch that itch? Given two similar institutes, meeting places, we can name grocery stores or bars or you choose, if I walk into a bar, looking to get laid, are my odds better in a hetero bar or a gay bar? Perhaps it's just my predjudices showing but I expect that gays are more up-front about their sexuality and sexual needs than any of our repressed and fearful (let's not forget AIDS or HCV of any of the STDs) heteros. So if I [b]GOTTA HAVE IT[/b] I think it would be most likely to happen if I went to a gay bar. The very fact that it is easier to score gay (or lesbian) lovers will attract people that cannot fulfill their needs elsewhere. That's it for that subject...now another Drew. I was visiting friends last night and the news was on and the newscaster mentioned that King George was looking seriously at some changes that would severely cut the amount of retirement benefits (for every one of us that isn't independently wealthy this is a serious matter!). This will affect me some day and it caught my attention. My friends are steadfast republicans and I just couldn't help myself so I commented. My buddy's response was typical, he reverted to his religion and said quite calmy that God would provide. He declared himself non-religious and then went on to tell me that even though he doesn't go to church, he reads the Bible every day. Sorry my friend but reading the principal text of the Christian religion every day DOES make you religious. But this is one of my biggest gripes about religion. Religion is the biggest escape from responsibility ever invented. My friend doesn't have to be concerned because "God will provide". I got news for him, God ain't providing. In fact, God seems to have turned His back completely on our troubles here on earth. But of course, there is always the coming of Jesus and everything will be put right. I sure hope so because most of His followers aren't going to do a damned thing to stop the decline that we seem to be embroiled in right now. If I mention the worsening state of the world, increased violence of all sorts, the very scary uncontrolled experimentation in genetics, continued (and increasing) rape of the natural resources of this planet, our own inability to even control (mostly because of religious beliefs) our own population explosion, my friends calmly tell me that this has all been foretold. Well here's my question. What if God gave us brains enough that he expects us to manage this world ourselves? What if He created it all and put us here and said, "There ya go. Now do your best!" What if He expects us to learn from our mistakes and improve on our successes? What if, after Creation, He has a hands off policy having given us the most wonderful experience possible and he's leaving the results up to us? Huh? What do you think the answers to those questions may be?

[Tedster]

Did you know that the name "Naomi" spelled backwards is "I moan"?

[Wewus432]

I'm not sure if anyone said this yet so I'll say it again. [b]Fuck you Drew![/b] and I mean that in a nice way. I think, Drew, you just need someone to talk to and I'm here for you man. I really do believe in you, no joke, you're one of the mainstays that keeps the SSS boat afloat. What I really, really, really, do appreciate about you is you ARE sincere in what you say AND I kind of know who you are. After all the weird shit going on here lately I appreciate that more than ever. [b]Love ya, mean it.[/b] Merry Christmas, motherfucker. :D

[patrick_dont_fret]

Yeah, Drew. Where did that come from? That was a complete slam on everything, man. I don't know about you, but I would NEVER step into a gay bar, much less step into a gay bar for sex. I'd rather just stay at home watching porn all night thinking about getting laid. Of course, I could always call up a 'girlfriend' and go to the store to buy a pack of rubbers, and be done with it. Who needs gay sex? Anyway, lesbians rule. I'm no homophobe, but if a fayg ever comes onto me, I'm gonna kick his ass. No joke. Otherwise, I'm cool with them.

[Hippie]

Patrick, you slam Drew for his 'voicing' his beliefs yet you'd resort to violence if a gay person makes you an offer? What's worse? Love ya man.

[patrick_dont_fret]

No, I was just saying that he just put everything in a perspective. And yes, if a man came onto me, I think I'd have to curbstomp him. Really. And listen to him whine like a little girl. I won't stand for it. I think that such an offer should never publicly be made. I would never walk up to a woman I never knew in the first place asking for sex. That's just weird. Maybe I'm just too nice. I don't know, but if a guy ever tried to get into my pants, I'd kick his ass with a crow bar.

[Wewus432]

Come now Patrick, uh no, I didn't mean it like that. Have you never had a guy come on to you? Just say no, no need for violence. I do think some people are born that way and I accept that, what I don't accept is pushy, manipulative people of either sex.

[patrick_dont_fret]

Yeah man. I might not kick em in da hed the first time, but after multiple advances, action will be taken. Now, if a woman made an advance on me (which would be weird, cause I'm a fatty short guy), I would be very freaked out (thinking she's gotta be drunk or something). There's this one girl at work that I flirt with back and forth, but in all sincerity, I love my girlfriend. I would never do anything like that to her. Especially since she's not going to be in town to even find out. It would weigh heavily on my shoulders. I would shrivle up and die.

[Intheether]

[b]Wewus[/b] and [b]Fantastic sound[/b] thank you for speaking the truth. I'm glad there are such open minded non-homophoes like [b]Patrick[/b] who refer to homosexuals as [i]fags[/i]. [quote] I'm no homophobe, but if a fag ever comes onto me, I'm gonna kick his ass. [/quote]:rolleyes: What is not "okay" is pretending to be something and someone you are not simply to appease close minded haters. You're all entitled to your believes and opinions, but don't hide your hate with Darwin-esque psuedo science when there always has and always will be gay people. Don't pretend to be "okay" with homosexuals so long as they keep in under wraps. There will never be acceptance without openness. Love, in whatever form it takes, is always a beautiful thing.

[Richard Schmacker]

Patrick, what are you wearing? :love:

[sbrock1san.rr.com]

[quote]Originally posted by patrick_dont_fret: [b]No, I was just saying that he just put everything in a perspective. And yes, if a man came onto me, I think I'd have to curbstomp him. Really. And listen to him whine like a little girl. I won't stand for it. I think that such an offer should never publicly be made. [/b][/quote]Your aggression is probably due to repressed homosexuality. Don't curbstomp me, I'm just playing amateur psychologist.

[Sylver]

yOU KNOW, if you went to a bar, and saw this great looking girl and appoached her, and she let you know that you repulsed her in every way(or even that she wasn't into "your type" at all), do you think that you would continue to hit on her? Why would a gay man do the same? Anyone would think you were a creep if you kept it up, and a gay man would have the same, of not more, reason not to pursue after the first approach. If in your twisted mind(no offense) you invision a man being so attracted to you that he repeatedly pushed the issue though you've told him that you are not gay, then perhaps your issue with homosexuality runs a little too deep. :D Either that, or you are way too fond of yourself. Has a woman ever hit on you like that?

[Bunny Knutson]

Hey, Patrick, I really think you're cute, in a fat-short-guy kind of way. Would you like to go home with me and make sweet love? Come on, honey, whaddaya say? You know you want it.

[offramp]

"Ive always had the wild idea to run around town with a can of spray paint and on the side of government type operations write the words Harbor Inefficiency or Is This Clean Up Effort On a Bid ? or My Tax Dollars Now Get Spent On The Wall Of My Choosing. or This is not just some weird grafitti about ozzy rules or john loves joan yet it is a scream for a glimmer of recognition. or All of the above have no clear discernable meaning and yet i can make myself sound quite odd with general useless eratta like this. or blah blah blah blah" Mike, this is where stencils become invaluable. They're legible and effecient. The results also get attention, becuase it's not the usual freehand crap, and the average passerby get that feeling that somethings' up but they can't put their finger on it.

[Jedi]

Alright now, you guys leave Pat alone. I've got to admit, this thread has had me LMAOARAOTFF.

[Jedi]

[quote]Originally posted by Nawledge i'd much rather take all of these executives who are waging war for the hearts and minds of our children through the insideous propagation of Hatred and otherforms of evil through art and media (because they know thats how to reach them) outside and beat them with a stick. [/quote]Boy do I feel like this. Took the sentiment right out of my mind.

[Jedi]

[quote]Originally posted by NYCDREW The same with getting the message across to kids (and yes, even to grownups). With so much absolute SHIT being repeated in all forms of media persistently, logic (not opinion, logic) and common sense are buried. [/quote]AMEN. AMEN. AMEN. I just saw about 30 seconds of Trick Daddy's new one, "THUG HOLIDAY." A song of the sentimental heart-felt positive thug variety. OH WHAT SHIT. ARRRGGGHHHHHHH! The thing that really pisses me off about all of these bastards is I see the same bullshit lazy do nothing "I don't want nothing" "I ain't about nothing" attitude from a ton of students where I'm teaching now. ARGGGGHHHH. They all look like little Trick Daddy's, Ja Rules, Fabulous', Baby, insert asshole here, motherfuckers. I CAN'T FUCKING STAND IT. Ok let me call down. Lincoln Ross Dead Black Jedis

[Mike F.]

Thanks offramp :thu: ill get right on it think im just going to use some of that reflective conspicuity tape that we have at work :) and no drew i didnt mean to bash you about youre gay bashing if that was what it was or it wasnt what it was and all of you non low downers cant gang up on patrick at once so im going to have to stand with him and say (correct me if im not using the proper connotation here) Fuck the fags wait wait no i didnt mean that -- i love homosexuals, as a matter of fact ive had plenty of homosexual friends, wait wait, no, they were best friends, as a matter of fact i run a charity house for battered homosexuals and a soup kitchen and a christmas club and o damn i hope you guys dont not like me now.... wtf am i talking about? --------------- Im not sure about you, but to me, i find people getting upset over name calling highly humorous I work with an italian guy and a mexican at work i call them deigo and wetback or spic for short in return i have a slew of names returned upon me. This doesnt make me cool btw it probably makes me a racist biggot but wtf u want me to do about it? If im a racist biggot, im not exactly going to see the light and stop bashing on the 2. ------------ i agree that osama had his shit together, why hasnt he tried something again? not that i want him too, just seems kinda quiet lately ------------ people still read the bible? riddle me this does purgatory still exist? hell for that matter? i know that changes down the centuries from pope to pope, so i ll just get one of you guys to magically create or uncreate these "places" which way is more convenient for the times... i guess there needs to be a hell to scare people into doing things for the church...ie moving people to exalted status and paying tithe how can people hold their heads up high while walking into a multi million dollar church or cathedral and say that its best to share the wealth, give to the poor, be humble Does god need another building with stained glass windows hundreds of feet tall or do the people walking into the cathedral need a building to horrify them into subservience? ok..someone bring out the argument that our existence is the way it is because thats the way its written in the bible. ...right maybe everything written in the koran is correct if we are going to use that assumption explain to me how anyone can truthfully live their lives full of "sin" and not be mortified of the consequences if'n what they read in their bible is true. are you and yes i mean you right there going to go to heaven when you die, or are you going to be raped for all eternity with a hot poker maybe if you ask forgiveness he will "let you in" right....right are you afraid of death? is religion a way to make people feel better about their lives, and deep fear of death. kick the crutch i say, and live life with the senses you have, not some shamanistic mumbo jumbo ------------ now.... flame me ya bastards see if ya can kick me where it hurts :thu:

[Oiled]

What irks me is the unprecedented lack of respect for The Jesus on this board. :mad: :mad:

[Wewus432]

What's your link with The Jesus? You just like him? or are you him? You aren't me are you?

[Hanshananigan]

I am not me, usually. I am a chisled jaw on a Rodin sculpture, but without the pidgeon do-do. Do you like movies, like a lot, Fernando?

[T. Ehl]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by NYC Drew: [b]Osama Bin Laden: So far, I ain't heard one goddamn military analyst or TVtalking head analyse or mention just how ruthlessly efficient and savage and [b]effective[/b] Bin Laden's 9/11/0[b]1[/b] campaign was.[/b]that is because they would be out of a job just like bill mahr the news is not about truth they can not handle the truth [b]wiped out over $10BILLION worth of assets for the Uninted States and Company. We're talking returns of 1000:1 and/or higher. [/b]the big media is controlled by the government the government does not want an american jihad [b]are not prepared to fight this kind of ruthless war. Israel isn't winning their war, neither will we. How do you fight someone that has nothing to live for? [/b]clinton would have handled the global political structuring of the post 911 situation better instead of wrecking alliances left and right bush has no plan except to hold out the biggest knife like crocodile dundee you fight islamic jihad with psychological warfare you make them like life more than dying you improve their existence the soviet union fell not because of reagan but because of western influences corrupting their way of life as it presently is china [b]w / and or familiar with that keep walking around saying they are "The Taliban", or "A sniper". Being from a poor, sometimes stupid 3rd world country myself, I can associate with some of these knuckleheads.[/b]does not everyone understand this is the way the third world gets punk they are experiencing their moment of scaring their parents the west who gave them a more modern life but are now are wanting to sow their oats in a global sense rebelling they want a raise on their allowance so they can buy gas to wreck the car if the west was smart we would use alternative energy and forgo supporting the kids that are misbehaving so they can mature buying time is the only solution to the worlds political problems which is why it is a shame the current israeli government has destroyed the cold peace they once had for awhile there

[videoeditor1]

I was gonna rename this thread the "homosexual" thread, based on the slant that the dialogue has taken. [quote]Originally posted by Mike Findley: Obviously someone has been flaunting his orientation to Drew and Drew is pissed.[/quote]Nope. ---------- [quote]Originally posted by Nawledge: look at it this way. even if you were born here, you would not be president. ;) [/quote]But I can hope, :) can I not?? :cool: ---------- [quote]Originally posted by wrave: Well here's my question. What if God gave us brains enough that he expects us to manage this world ourselves? What if He created it all and put us here and said, "There ya go. Now do your best!" What if He expects us to learn from our mistakes and improve on our successes? What if, after Creation, He has a hands off policy having given us the most wonderful experience possible and he's leaving the results up to us? Huh? What do you think the answers to those questions may be?[/quote]Wrave, I have a similar view as your with regards to religion, more specifically, Christianity. My wife is a devout 4-6 times a week going, speaking in tongues, do nothing before prayer Christian. ------------ [quote]Originally posted by TheWewus: I'm not sure if anyone said this yet so I'll say it again. [b]Fuck you Drew![/b] and I mean that in a nice way.[/quote]I assume this is the [b]original[/b] "Wewus". With all the name changes, I can't tell my peeps apart much these days. Wewus, everything is cool, and thanks for looking out man, I appreciate it :thu: You'll notice the topic said " a whole bunch of stuff...etc etc" ------------- Jedi, Who's "Trick Daddy"? And while we're at it, Missy's "Work it" does take a stab at creativity, but it employs a disproportionate use of more-than-sublime references to sex, then there are what appear to be a 9 or 11ish year old kid in the video. ----------- [quote]Originally posted by fantasticsound: BTW, Drew, Any arguments against homosexuality based on evolution or it being un-natural are pretty silly. [/quote]Neil, 1. I'm not making any argument for, or against using evolution as the basis. We don't even have anything close to accurate statistics on the gay % of the population. It was more of a mathematical exercise "all things else being constant, if more than 70% (ok, 100%) of the population were gay, how would the rate of population growth be affected....") 2. I'm not bashing gays. 3. I have problems with religion, and the Bible in general. ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- [quote]Originally posted by nel/astor: [b]Wewus[/b] and [b]Fantastic sound[/b] thank you for speaking the truth. [/quote]What truth? Whose truth? There are very few "truths" in the world, my friend, outside of the world of science. [quote] I'm glad there are such open minded non-homophobes like [b]Patrick[/b] who refer to homosexuals as [i]fags[/i]. [QUOTE] I'm no homophobe, but if a fag ever comes onto me, I'm gonna kick his ass. [/quote]:rolleyes: For all we know, Patrick may be 18, or worse, an 18yr old in a 40 yr-old body. Let the man be. I've heard this talk many times before, and while I can't say it's "harmless", it's a cry for understanding. [quote]You're all entitled to your believes and opinions, but don't hide your hate with Darwin-esque psuedo science when there always has and always will be gay people. [/quote]Don't you mean "we're all" instead of "you're all..."? Why separate yourself from "us"? Are you better than "us"? Less gay /(and by extension) more gay than "us"? [quote] Don't pretend to be "okay" with homosexuals so long as they keep in under wraps. There will never be acceptance without openness. Love, in whatever form it takes, is always a beautiful thing.[/quote]I am ok with a guy or gal being gay. I'm ok with people that smoke weed/crack; cheat on their wives, fuck small animals, fudge their taxes, look at dirty pictures, exceed the speed limit, sniff cocaine, etc etc...and I can resolve all of that inside, and I don't have a problem with any of that. Nel/Astor, I don't PRETEND to be ok with homosexuals- if they keep it "under wraps". What I dislike is if/when said gays needlessly and fruitlessly expend their energies in an attempt to convince me that their lifestyle is "kosher". What I'm not "cool" with, is any from the above categories telling me what they do is "ok" or "cool" or "normal". You are entitled to your own value systems and beliefs. [b]I'm not ok[/b] with people that fuck little kids, involve in non-consensual sex (rape), sell coke, heroin, crack, steal other people's shit, have a wanton disregard for life and property (think: "freedom fighters" that don't give a shit about civilian casualties) etc etc -------------- [b]T. Ehl[/b] Glad to see that I'm not the only "paranoid" person around here.

[Gulliver]

[quote]Originally posted by NYC Drew: [b] ......... Glad to see that I'm not the only "paranoid" person around here.[/b][/quote]Me too. :)

[Bunny,]

[quote]Originally posted by Gulliver: [b] [quote]Originally posted by NYC Drew: [b] ......... Glad to see that I'm not the only "paranoid" person around here.[/b][/quote]Me too. :) [/b][/quote]It's not easy, having to look over your shoulder everywhere you go. :( -------------- And that's all I gotta say about that.

[Wewus432]

I forget what I said to you before Drew and I'm not even going to go back and look, but I want you to know that I enjoyed this thread and I think I know you a little better now.

[patrick_dont_fret]

Ok, guys. It's time for some of you to understand me. I'm an 18 year old male whitey, that's never had any sort of sexual encounter, I've had my share of f'ed up relationships, but the fact that I don't try to have sex with them usually drives them away. Some people think I am gay because I am actually more sensitive than other guys, and I will actually listen to what a woman has to say. This makes girls want to be really good friends with me. Otherwise, I don't really hate homosexuals, I just fear for my sphincter. So all in all, I'm just a little white guy. Let me do what I feel is necessary, and I'll leave you alone. Sorry for any misunderstanding. Most of what was written was written UtheI. I'm not a gay-bashing Eminem wannabe that really likes hugging Elton John. Speaking of which, did y'all ever see that SNL skit where Eminem starts making out with Elton. Really lets you know what's really going on, eh?

[randy clay]

NYC Drew posted: [Wrave, I have a similar view as your with regards to religion, more specifically, Christianity. My wife is a devout 4-6 times a week going, speaking in tongues, do nothing before prayer Christian.] I was in a similar situation as you, and I would like to share my experience with you. My wife and children were/are devout Christians (my wife speaks in tongues)and she and I used to battle constantly about everything (the kids were with her on this one). I did not want this marriage to end, having already going through a divorce previously (no children in that marriage). So I finally agreed to try and live the way that she and the children were living, and let me tell you, my whole life has turned around BIG TIME. We still have a lot of disagreements, but I am much better prepared to deal with them. I had a lot of issues that I wasn't facing, and it took this complete turnaround to help me face them and conquer them. Now, YMMV, I don't know anything about your situation, but let me say this. If you love your wife and want to stay married to her, please consider doing what I did. Until you really try something and find out you won't/can't deal with it, you'll never know. I was pulled kicking and screaming to my test, but it has all worked out great for me. Maybe it could for you to. They say it is always darkest before the dawn, I am grateful that I opened my eyes to see the dawn. A really big part of my decision had to do with the children. I was a product of a broken home, and I did not want to put our children through the anquish I had to face. I don't know the particulars of your situation, and I don't need to know. I'm just asking you to try......if you want to. My 2 cents