AROIOS Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Audio Modeling (formerly named Sample Modeling) has been on my radar for a while. The expressiveness of their instruments is simply incredible. And what a nice coincidence to have a room full of amazing Italian music nerds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AROIOS Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 Founder/CEO Mr. Stefano Lucato is an excellent composer too. I love this demo tune he wrote. Brings me right back to late 70's/early 80's when this type of orchestral Sophisti-Pop was much more common. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldwin Funster Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 I have several SWAM Sax apps. I think Roland's Breathy Sax is better. The SWAM is probably better if you add a breath controller to the controll set but when just using the paddle the Roland is better to me. 1 Quote FunMachine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Yeah, SWAM is really designed for use with additional external controller input. Possibly remapping the paddle (and/or using a pedal) would help? See... https://kb.audiomodeling.com/en/c/general-information/d/is-it-possible-to-control-swam-instruments-using-only-noteon-velocity 1 Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldwin Funster Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Where I find all sax patches lack is in the attack. Something like Roland's Breathy Sax sounds good and realistic enough, at least for everyone except real sax players, at slow and sexy tempos and phrasing. But try to rip something fast and the breathy attack gets flubby. Tighten the attack for fast passages and you lose the realism the sound first had when you slow down again. A Sax patch needs some velocity dynamics to change the attack with speed. Even the SWAM lacks this in my experimenting. Maybe a better sound tweeker can get it. Quote FunMachine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Gauss Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 24 minutes ago, Baldwin Funster said: Where I find all sax patches lack is in the attack. Something like Roland's Breathy Sax sounds good and realistic enough, at least for everyone except real sax players, at slow and sexy tempos and phrasing. But try to rip something fast and the breathy attack gets flubby. Tighten the attack for fast passages and you lose the realism the sound first had when you slow down again. A Sax patch needs some velocity dynamics to change the attack with speed. Even the SWAM lacks this in my experimenting. Maybe a better sound tweeker can get it. are you using a midi sax? the swam sax is great. i use a roland aerophone. The controls on the Aerophone are great, however the Roland sounds suck, but with Swam it's a pretty great. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldwin Funster Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 23 minutes ago, D. Gauss said: are you using a midi sax? the swam sax is great. i use a roland aerophone. The controls on the Aerophone are great, however the Roland sounds suck, but with Swam it's a pretty great. I not using the Aero. After spending 50 years to learn guitar and 20 on on keys I don't want to start a new fingering system. Quote FunMachine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GovernorSilver Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 I couldn't resist when I heard Costco was selling Aerophones for $200 off. I've gravitated towards the flugelhorn and other brass sounds. Some fellow Aerophone users plug into iPads/laptop because they prefer SWAM or whatever to the onboard Roland Supernatural sounds. To each their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHarrell Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 For those like myself who are not enamored with the sound of SWAM saxes--even in professional use they sound gross to me--I recommend as an alternative the sampling/modelling hybrid instruments from Acousticsamples VHorns: https://www.acousticsamples.net/Bundles/vhornssaxophones While there's a little bit of thin-ness one usually expects from modelling, I find them to be really fun to play and create dynamic performances out of, and with a timbre that's much more agreeable. Another nice thing is that you can purchase them either in bundles or individual instruments. They've been expanding their range into traditional orchestral instruments, but are still updating these to be higher quality as well, another huge plus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Gauss Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 4 minutes ago, CHarrell said: For those like myself who are not enamored with the sound of SWAM saxes--even in professional use they sound gross to me--I recommend as an alternative the sampling/modelling hybrid instruments from Acousticsamples VHorns: https://www.acousticsamples.net/Bundles/vhornssaxophones Yes those do sound better... but I think I got swam tenor for $19 bucks on a black friday sale or something. V horns are a quite a bit more me thinks. 😉 Swam is still amazing compared to what comes out of the aerophone's internal sounds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHarrell Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 1 minute ago, D. Gauss said: wam tenor for $19 bucks That's a hell of a deal! Acousticsamples has really good Black Friday/holiday discounts as well, but I don't think they go that low. Personally I'd pay the extra for the quality, as well as the interface--the VHorns have great customization to create more realistic mannerisms and space placement. I bought the SWAM Saxes for a project in 2017...I was so happy to use them, until I realized, after about a month of denial, that I actually even preferred my Korg M1 VST sax patches sound. : ( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. Gauss Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 2 hours ago, CHarrell said: That's a hell of a deal! it's regularly $29. (ipad not desktop btw) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHarrell Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 20 minutes ago, D. Gauss said: it's regularly $29. (ipad not desktop btw) Ohhhhh, that makes sense, thanks for the clarification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AROIOS Posted February 16 Author Share Posted February 16 For folks interested in Sax patches, YAMAHA has some decent sax sound on their arranger boards. The "Sweet! Tenor Sax" patch I used in the two quick demos below sounded amazing when they first came out almost 30 years ago. The TYROS line have added some beautiful "Super Articulation" sax sounds since. Sweet! Tenor Sax 1.mp3 Sweet! Tenor Sax 2.mp3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleer Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 PlugInGuru is coming up with a SWAM collab for Unify. Just heard it in yesterday’s live vid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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