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Nice DP but I didn't realize the Nord Grand was selling so well to warrant a part deux.😁😎

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It has all the new goodies from the S4, which are substantial: unison sliders, per-layer FX, dynamic compression, etc.

 

If the original Nord Grand floats your boat, this looks like a nice upgrade.  I'm using all of these features on the S4, and it's an upgrade.

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No doubt it sounds wonderful and having played one, it’s the best DP I’ve played. I’ve been considering a Nord Grand to replace my home acoustic, but I can’t wrap my head around the red. Wouldn’t one or two optional colours broaden the market? 

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7 minutes ago, drawback said:

No doubt it sounds wonderful and having played one, it’s the best DP I’ve played. I’ve been considering a Nord Grand to replace my home acoustic, but I can’t wrap my head around the red. Wouldn’t one or two optional colours broaden the market? 

Easy, just tell your wife that you've decided to redecorate the living room in warm brick red tones. 

 

Let me know how that goes?

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2 hours ago, hªdºw said:

Having looked at the specifications for this model I'm left feeling underwhelmed. The same polyphony (120) as the previous model and the same piano sample memory (2gb).

2 hours ago, ProfD said:

Nice DP but I didn't realize the Nord Grand was selling so well to warrant a part deux.😁😎

The Nord Grand, as an upgraded Nord PIano 4, was lagging behind the subsequent NP5 in significant ways (i.e. 1 piano sound plus 1 sample sound at a time, vs. 2 and 2; and double the memory for sample synth sounds), so it was only a matter of time before the NG got upgraded to include the newer NP5 features, so that moving up the line from a Nord Piano to a Nord Grand would no longer require a substantial trade-off as well. But this NG update goes beyond that, i.e.:

1 hour ago, cphollis said:

new goodies from the S4, which are substantial: unison sliders, per-layer FX, dynamic compression, etc.

 

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2 hours ago, drawback said:

No doubt it sounds wonderful and having played one, it’s the best DP I’ve played. I’ve been considering a Nord Grand to replace my home acoustic, but I can’t wrap my head around the red. Wouldn’t one or two optional colours broaden the market? 

Just start inviting people over to your bordello and they will understand the red piano plus you can brush up on your Fats Waller tunes.   Could have some really cool parties once the word gets out. 

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I have a Nord Grand and a Stage4-88. They should make a Nord Grand only sample. Bigger. Better pianissimo. Let it take much of the piano sample space. Make it really great.  This board is about piano and has a better action. Lean into that. 
 

I don’t see upgrading.  I bought the action more than the sounds. The Stage is better for most things. So the Grand really should maximize acoustic piano. 

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Nord is calling the “new generation” action “Kawai Responsive Hammer Keybed”vs the prior’s “ Kawai Hammer Action.”  The rig is also a pound heavier. Any idea if they might have added escapement to the action?

 

IMHO, the 2 piano sounds on sliders with independent effects is a big upgrade. And sure second synth is good too.

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4 hours ago, Docbop said:

Didn't the original sell for $3999 or $4099 before the release of the Grand 2?

 

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I use a Nord Piano 5 73 for acoustic piano-style gigs, so the Nord Grand's little bro.  

 

The sample/synth can sometimes be used as a primary voice, but mostly plays a backup role to the piano sounds.  Pads, short solo passages, a bit of horns and strings-- not really suitable for heavy lifting in my opinion.  Since they're single layer samples, they only can go so far.

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This uses the same Kawai RH3 action... but apparently has been "enhanced"... I expect along the lines of what Nord does with their "virtual hammer technology" in the Piano series. But it is almost literally a Piano 5 in the Grand shell... which a slightly more NS4 UI. Goodness. Why. 

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2 hours ago, Macsaint777 said:

This uses the same Kawai RH3 action... but apparently has been "enhanced"... I expect along the lines of what Nord does with their "virtual hammer technology" in the Piano series. But it is almost literally a Piano 5 in the Grand shell... which a slightly more NS4 UI. Goodness. Why. 

 

I thought Nord Piano uses Fatar keybed. Nord Grand uses Kawai's keybed. Not the same thing.

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The Nord Grand 2 features the latest generation premium Hammer Action keybed from Kawai

 

Only the wooden GF-series actions are marketed as premium by Kawai. Does the Nord Grand have a wooden action? Highly doubtful. Because if it has the RH3, then that's a rather low-tier action, sitting only above the entry-level RHC action. But I guess if you paint it red, it becomes premium 😀

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22 minutes ago, CyberGene said:

 

Only the wooden GF-series actions are marketed as premium by Kawai. Does the Nord Grand have a wooden action? Highly doubtful. Because if it has the RH3, then that's a rather low-tier action, sitting only above the entry-level RHC action. But I guess if you paint it red, it becomes premium 😀

It's some custom version of the RH action. 

Whatever is involved in that customizing makes the action incredible. I'm not sure what accounts for it. 

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10 minutes ago, MathOfInsects said:

Whatever is involved in that customizing makes the action incredible. I'm not sure what accounts for it.

 

Biggest thing I remember from playing it is lack of grading and removing the escapement. It'd be really funny if Nord's "improvements" for NG2 are to add those elements. 

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9 hours ago, Macsaint777 said:

 But it is almost literally a Piano 5 in the Grand shell... which a slightly more NS4 UI. Goodness. Why. 

 

Nord Grand was largely a Piano 4 in the Grand shell (most notably, with a higher end action). Then the Piano 5 came out, and they were in the odd position where their top of line Nord Grand was, in some ways, inferior to the step-down Nord Piano. If nothing else, it would make sense to address that discrepancy, and not have such a compromise built into your flagship piano... this model does that, and then some.

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On 1/19/2024 at 5:47 PM, Docbop said:

Gonna be a lot Nord Electro players upset they were really hoping for a new NE7. 

I'd consider an NE7electroHP if they replaced the action with something more like the Kawai. 

 

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8 hours ago, CHarrell said:

 

Biggest thing I remember from playing it is lack of grading and removing the escapement. It'd be really funny if Nord's "improvements" for NG2 are to add those elements. 

Right? I think I may already slot any DP I touch in some mental "not a real piano" folder. In some ways, if someone succeeded in exactly replicating the experience of (say) my Mason & Hamlin, I don't think I'd find it terribly useful as a DP. For one thing the action is so closely related to the in-room sonic experience of the piano that I'd find the DP experience unsatisfying, and for another I would never want any other keyboard sounds (EP, Organ, Synth) to play with that same action. I'd find it fatiguing. So I think I may subconsciously "adjust" when I touch DP's. All I know is that the second I laid hands on the Nord Grand (after plenty of opportunities to play other RH3 products), I connected immediately, and then when I "tried again" a year later I had the same experience. I believe it was @AnotherScott who posited that the difference with the Nord weighted actions has to with the experience at the bottom of the throw. This resonates. There's something unique about the "bottoming out" of those keys, and yes, the irony will be if it's because they've removed two desirable components of that action. 

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7 minutes ago, MathOfInsects said:

the second I laid hands on the Nord Grand (after plenty of opportunities to play other RH3 products), I connected immediately, and then when I "tried again" a year later I had the same experience.

Same here. Still the gold standard.

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They’re using something similar to the VPC1 action, ya? That retails for $2499.  Plus a base MacBook Air $999, MainStage $29.99.  Keyscape $399.  
 

$572 extra to have it all together in a red box with a UI shipped from Sweden. Not terrible.  

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Someone should find out if the Grand 2 has escapement. One reason I got rid of my Grand was that after I bought it, I found out Nord had removed escapement from the Kawai keybed. At the price of the Grand you should have it.

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3 minutes ago, b3plyr said:

Someone should find out if the Grand 2 has escapement. One reason I got rid of my Grand was that after I bought it, I found out Nord had removed escapement from the Kawai keybed. At the price of the Grand you should have it.

I believe that's the same with the NG2. No escapement. 

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I was surprised by how light the NG action was when I tried it. After playing it at the store a couple years ago, my first words to the keyboard department person: "Please convince me not to spend all this money on this." Wisdom ultimately prevailed, and I didn't, but some thumpiness aside, I immediately fell in love. Amazingly, the keybed felt satisfying for all the keyboard sounds...if Kawai figured something out and offered that on one of their models (that would probably cost half as much as Nord). Oh man.

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