Trying to add NORD Wave 2 to my rig

[Steve Beach]

I use a NORD Stage 2 as the centre piece of my rig.   I'm trying to add a NORD Wave 2 as a top layer keyboard, but use my Yamaha FC-7 volume pedal to control the Wave 2 volume as well using MIDI from the Stage 2.  I've done this with an Electro 3 no problem,  but the Wave 2 doesn't want to respond to CC#11.  I can see the little MIDI light flashing on the Wave 2 like it's receiving information, but it's not actually doing anything I can hear.  Sustain pedal #CC 64 works fine.    I suppose CC#7 for volume might be an option, or CC#3 Program Level on the Wave 2.

 

Has anyone ventured down a MIDI path like this?  I have MIDI Solutions Event Processor Plus to program for this scenario if necessary.

 

Appreciate any input.  Thank you.

 

[johnchop]

Is the pedal connected to the Wave or the Stage?

 

on the Wave’s system menu, what is the control pedal type and function (func) set to?

 

 

[stoken6]

Are you plugging the FC7 into the Stage 2? Thinking it through, the pedal can do one of two things

- Organ expression (Nord uses CC#4 for that from memory)

- Morph (which is a different animal altogether, and doesn't have a direct relationship to MIDI).

 

Now what you can do on the Stage 2 is:

1. Use an Extern section (are you doing that already?)

2. Configure the "parameter" to CC#11 (or 7, or 3)

3. Set up a morph for the extern parameter, controlled by the pedal. So the parameter is 0 when the pedal is fully back, and 127 when all the way forward.

 

Cheers, Mike.

[Steve Beach]

3 hours ago, johnchop said:

Is the pedal connected to the Wave or the Stage?

 

on the Wave’s system menu, what is the control pedal type and function (func) set to?

 

 

Pedal is connected to the Stage2 Control pedal input.  On the Wave’s system menu, it’s set at Yamaha FC7, volume. 

[Steve Beach]

5 hours ago, stoken6 said:

Are you plugging the FC7 into the Stage 2? Thinking it through, the pedal can do one of two things

- Organ expression (Nord uses CC#4 for that from memory)

- Morph (which is a different animal altogether, and doesn't have a direct relationship to MIDI).

 

Now what you can do on the Stage 2 is:

1. Use an Extern section (are you doing that already?)

2. Configure the "parameter" to CC#11 (or 7, or 3)

3. Set up a morph for the extern parameter, controlled by the pedal. So the parameter is 0 when the pedal is fully back, and 127 when all the way forward.

 

Cheers, Mike.

This is a brain teaser for sure Mike. I’m going to try your idea using the external section and see where that gets me. Stay tuned. 

[Steve Beach]

Ok Mike.  I have some success!   Using the External Section (I have set the Midi Ch to 4 for the Ext. Sect. and the Wave 2)  and using the Morph Control Pedal feature, I am able to control the Wave 2 Volume from 0-127.   Sustain too.  Yes!   Thank you.   

    My only issue at the moment is to filter out NOTE ON-OFF information using a Midi Solutions black box, as at the moment when I play the Stage2 keyboard.... it triggers sounds on the Wave 2.  I'm sure this can be accomplished with my Midi Solutions ROUTER box.

    Thank you so much Mike & John for your suggestions.  I won't be able to get back to this scenario for a couple days due to gigs and Xmas gatherings, but I'm well on the way I think.   Thanks again!!!

 

Steve

[Jinkings]

3 hours ago, Steve Beach said:

Ok Mike.  I have some success!   Using the External Section (I have set the Midi Ch to 4 for the Ext. Sect. and the Wave 2)  and using the Morph Control Pedal feature, I am able to control the Wave 2 Volume from 0-127.   Sustain too.  Yes!   Thank you.   

    My only issue at the moment is to filter out NOTE ON-OFF information using a Midi Solutions black box, as at the moment when I play the Stage2 keyboard.... it triggers sounds on the Wave 2.  I'm sure this can be accomplished with my Midi Solutions ROUTER box.

    Thank you so much Mike & John for your suggestions.  I won't be able to get back to this scenario for a couple days due to gigs and Xmas gatherings, but I'm well on the way I think.   Thanks again!!!

 

Steve

Press the kb zone select multiple times until all 3 leds are off and the zone still on

No need for an external midi box

[changearound2]

Also make sure the Global channel on the Stage 2 doesn't match any of the Wave 2 channels.

[Steve Beach]

18 hours ago, Jinkings said:

Press the kb zone select multiple times until all 3 leds are off and the zone still on

No need for an external midi box

 

18 hours ago, Jinkings said:

Press the kb zone select multiple times until all 3 leds are off and the zone still on

No need for an external midi box

I have found this is NOT TRUE.  When I turn off the KB zones on the Stage 2 external zones, the morph volume control no longer works for the Wave 2 on Midi Ch. 4.  So I'll have to use my eternal midi box to filter out note ON/OFF information.  Not a biggy.   

[changearound2]

You need to have the External section on the Stage 2 on but with no zones selected.

 

If this is the case and it's still not working then what are your external settings for cc number, cc value and send CtrlPed? Also, does the Stage 2 sustain pedal still work on the Wave 2?

 

 

[Steve Beach]

Everything is working to my satisfaction.  I don't know how to make the External section ON with no zones selected.   As soon as no zones are on, the volume morphing no longer works.   I'm just filtering out NOTE ON/OFF information with my Midi Solutions ROUTER BOX.   All is good!!!

 

Thank you everyone for your input.   You've been a great help.  (-:

[Jinkings]

[Steve Beach]

1 hour ago, Jinkings said:

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Interesting.  I'll look at that again.

[DJkeys]

I use this all the time.  Sometimes I play the sounds from the W2 from the NS3 keyboard, sometimes I don't. I disable the note-ons as shown in the video. 

 

-dj

[Steve Beach]

This is a new one on me.  Thank you Jinkings and DJKeys.   I've implemented this on my Stage2, and put all my Midi Solutions boxes away for the time being.  

 

This Keyboard Corner Forum continues to amaze.  Thanks to all!

 

Steve Beach